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Nighthawk1
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It's just what they got from Sac Bee...
Inside Bulls-Kings trade talks
There was no swapping of uniforms before tipoff, but it wouldn't have been entirely absurd if various Kings and Bulls had done just that. The two teams, according to league sources, had trade talks earlier this season that have been tabled for now. The Bulls need frontcourt help, but they appear to have more interest in second-year center Spencer Hawes than in veteran Brad Miller or even forward Kenny Thomas. That could change, but the question on the Bulls' side is whether they will part ways with forward Drew Gooden (who has an expiring contract) and/or a young player such as Joakim Noah or Tyrus Thomas. According to the sources, Chicago offered guard Larry Hughes in the previous discussions. The 11-year veteran has a contract nearly identical to Miller's, with approximately $25 million owed to him before it ends after next season.
Sacramento Bee
Inside Bulls-Kings trade talks
There was no swapping of uniforms before tipoff, but it wouldn't have been entirely absurd if various Kings and Bulls had done just that. The two teams, according to league sources, had trade talks earlier this season that have been tabled for now. The Bulls need frontcourt help, but they appear to have more interest in second-year center Spencer Hawes than in veteran Brad Miller or even forward Kenny Thomas. That could change, but the question on the Bulls' side is whether they will part ways with forward Drew Gooden (who has an expiring contract) and/or a young player such as Joakim Noah or Tyrus Thomas. According to the sources, Chicago offered guard Larry Hughes in the previous discussions. The 11-year veteran has a contract nearly identical to Miller's, with approximately $25 million owed to him before it ends after next season.
Sacramento Bee
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I would rather had gooden than mikki moore....
So if we can do a gooden, pee on, ty or noah....i am fine with that.
So if we can do a gooden, pee on, ty or noah....i am fine with that.
Gary
All-Star
While I like Noah as someone that could someday be a leader (has leadership qualities) I wonder if the Bulls would send Petrie something like this....
"Sorry Geoff, we took Noah from you last year, and we were wrong. So take Noah, and we will take Hawes as it should have been last year."
I don't think I would make the trade although I do still like Noah, and think the Bulls are crazy not to go with him over Gooden.
"Sorry Geoff, we took Noah from you last year, and we were wrong. So take Noah, and we will take Hawes as it should have been last year."
I don't think I would make the trade although I do still like Noah, and think the Bulls are crazy not to go with him over Gooden.
Kings Faithful
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I don't even want Hawes name brought up again regarding trade talks. No way in hell we give him up.
NoBonus
Starter
Why not? He is a young, full-sized center who is a talented offensive threat from anywhere on the floor with good hands... I don't see why the Kings would want to keep him around.
Amory
Bench
Yes, this is true. The only way that I would let him go is if we got a significant upgrade at the 5. I doubt that is going to happen so I would like to keep him.
Sptsjunkie
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Well, no duh. Breaking news: The Kings are reportedly more interested in acquiring Derek Rose from the Bulls instead of Drew Gooden or Noah too.
Now back to that Miller for Gooden and Noah deal.
Actually, I don't see the Bulls as a good trade partner. They are not strictly playing to win now anymore.
The more likeley deal that we have heard rumored before would be something like Miller and Salmons to the Heat for Marion and a pick. Right now that seems to make a lot of sense for both sides unless the Heat still want to target Boozer this offseason. For this season at least, Salmons would give them more at SF than Marion and Miller would give them a respectable Center who can pick and roll with Wade.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Hawes was apaprently brought up by them, not us.
Have no idea why/how they could possibly think he's on the table, but whatever. Amusing that they made a rather blatant drafting error a year ago (they needed a POST UP center, and everyone knew it), and now want to correct it.
thing wiht all the Bulls rumors that I have never been able to figure out is what the hell they want to do now. they screwed up, ratehr miserably. they were supposed to be a mini-Portland, full of young talent moving forward. But then they lost their conviction in that talent, dumped guys like Curry (good) and Chandler (bad), found out they had wildly overestimated the bailities of their other young guys (Deng, Gordon, Hinrich etc.), brought in old guys, swappe them for more old guys, drafted a young guy, then another, brought in a rookie coach...now what are they? Half young, half old. Prime guys maybe going to leave...constructing a trade with them has to be difficult because what the hell are they trying to do? Win now? Win next year? Win in 5 years? They aren't really built for any of it. Only way a trade between us and them makes sense is if they are in win now mode. Two teams both in rebuild mode aren't good trade patners normally -- both value the same pieces.
Have no idea why/how they could possibly think he's on the table, but whatever. Amusing that they made a rather blatant drafting error a year ago (they needed a POST UP center, and everyone knew it), and now want to correct it.
thing wiht all the Bulls rumors that I have never been able to figure out is what the hell they want to do now. they screwed up, ratehr miserably. they were supposed to be a mini-Portland, full of young talent moving forward. But then they lost their conviction in that talent, dumped guys like Curry (good) and Chandler (bad), found out they had wildly overestimated the bailities of their other young guys (Deng, Gordon, Hinrich etc.), brought in old guys, swappe them for more old guys, drafted a young guy, then another, brought in a rookie coach...now what are they? Half young, half old. Prime guys maybe going to leave...constructing a trade with them has to be difficult because what the hell are they trying to do? Win now? Win next year? Win in 5 years? They aren't really built for any of it. Only way a trade between us and them makes sense is if they are in win now mode. Two teams both in rebuild mode aren't good trade patners normally -- both value the same pieces.
nbrans
All-Star
It all stems from that decision to let Tyson Chandler go for essentially nothing and overpay Ben Wallace instead. Such a stupid, stupid, stupid decision. It was already apparent that Ben Wallace was washed up as a franchise player. He sleepwalked through the preceding playoff series and the writing was on the wall. Then they had to try and salvage things with the trade to Cleveland. That boneheaded move, along with the decision to pay Luol Deng and Andres Nocioni $18 million to pay the same position, pretty much doomed whatever positive they had going.
oH I WOULD TRADE THEM hAWES, BUT IT'D COST THEM rOSE
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AriesMar27
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though there is no way in hell that they would be down for trading rose, i would gladly tarde any player on this team for rose... hawes or thompson... as long as we have one of them to pair with rose and martin.... but the only realistic trade that i would be interested in would be for hinrich... moore and beno for hinrich and filler would be cool...
KingsCitizen
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Hinrich for Williams and Udrih ...
or Salmon, Williams, Udrih, Douby for Nocioni and Hinrich.
We give them cheaper backup to Rose (Udrih), a starting SG(Salmons), a young big (Williams) and expiring (Douby) Gordon Jr.
We get a much better PG and a hard-nosed SF who can play as starter or bench without issues.
or Salmon, Williams, Udrih, Douby for Nocioni and Hinrich.
We give them cheaper backup to Rose (Udrih), a starting SG(Salmons), a young big (Williams) and expiring (Douby) Gordon Jr.
We get a much better PG and a hard-nosed SF who can play as starter or bench without issues.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I would do Beno and Salmons for Hinrich and a pick.
We essentially would have $3 million more in cap space for the summer of 2010, would get rid of whats proving to be a bad contract (Beno) and a player thats ineffective when he is not the man (Salmons) for a legitimate starting material PG who is a good defender.
Not sure the Bulls would do that though but I would be all over that deal like a rash. It would get rid of a bad contract that could well be unmovable in a couple of years time and clean up the logjam of swingmen and open up some playing time for Greene.
We essentially would have $3 million more in cap space for the summer of 2010, would get rid of whats proving to be a bad contract (Beno) and a player thats ineffective when he is not the man (Salmons) for a legitimate starting material PG who is a good defender.
Not sure the Bulls would do that though but I would be all over that deal like a rash. It would get rid of a bad contract that could well be unmovable in a couple of years time and clean up the logjam of swingmen and open up some playing time for Greene.
Kevin's Good Feet
G-League
Let's not forget their decisions to draft both Thomas and Noah. Aldridge and Noah would have probably been the best combination, followed by Thomas and Hawes. Instead they drafted Thomas and Noah, two guys who have duplicate skills/roles.
It's kind of amazing how many opportunities Chicago has blown
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sactownfan
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when is the trade deadline?
bozzwell
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They have nothing that we would want and that they would trade. Personally, the only player on that roster that I would want to see on the Kings is Rose, it just happens so that he is the only truly untouchable guy on that roster. So, in my mind, Petrie would do well to block all calls from Paxson.
They have only one real star player (Rose).
They have a bunch of good-to-very good players (your 3rd, 4th banana canidates on a middling team) that have been exposed as limited (Heinrich, Gordon, Nocioni) or too soft (Deng). All of them are either overpaid, or expecting to become overpaid next year (Gordon).
Their bigs are pittiful-to-servicable 10-12th man canidates (Gray, Ruffin), retreads (Gooden), overrated and potenital busts (Noah and Thomas).
I especially dislike:
Noah garbage on and off the field. Calls out his teammates after a single NBA game. Gets busted for ganja and booze in his first offseason. Gets awarded extra suspension game by _his_ treammates for being an overall jerk. Gets into it with the only true hustle guy (Noce) on the team in the middle of the game. Overrated to rediculous degree - supposedly provides hustle and energy, but has 0 spetial awareness, blows assignemnts on every other play and gets winded after 5 minutes. Looks lively out there, but if you try to ignore his bobbing ponytail and aimlessly flailing arms you will notice that he contributed very little on the court.
Ty Thomas. Has all the talent and ability to be a real force in the league, but doesn't have even the bare minimum requisite mental capacity to actually play the game. Has been in as much trouble as Noah while in Chicago and if you call him out or God forbid fine him (for breaking team rules, missing practice, tardiness or getting into it with coaches) he will pull Vince Carter and mail it in the very next time you call his number.
I really, really do not understand at all why so many Kings fans would even consider any of these guys?!
They have only one real star player (Rose).
They have a bunch of good-to-very good players (your 3rd, 4th banana canidates on a middling team) that have been exposed as limited (Heinrich, Gordon, Nocioni) or too soft (Deng). All of them are either overpaid, or expecting to become overpaid next year (Gordon).
Their bigs are pittiful-to-servicable 10-12th man canidates (Gray, Ruffin), retreads (Gooden), overrated and potenital busts (Noah and Thomas).
I especially dislike:
Noah garbage on and off the field. Calls out his teammates after a single NBA game. Gets busted for ganja and booze in his first offseason. Gets awarded extra suspension game by _his_ treammates for being an overall jerk. Gets into it with the only true hustle guy (Noce) on the team in the middle of the game. Overrated to rediculous degree - supposedly provides hustle and energy, but has 0 spetial awareness, blows assignemnts on every other play and gets winded after 5 minutes. Looks lively out there, but if you try to ignore his bobbing ponytail and aimlessly flailing arms you will notice that he contributed very little on the court.
Ty Thomas. Has all the talent and ability to be a real force in the league, but doesn't have even the bare minimum requisite mental capacity to actually play the game. Has been in as much trouble as Noah while in Chicago and if you call him out or God forbid fine him (for breaking team rules, missing practice, tardiness or getting into it with coaches) he will pull Vince Carter and mail it in the very next time you call his number.
I really, really do not understand at all why so many Kings fans would even consider any of these guys?!
Kingster
Hall of Famer
It's an interesting dilemma that Chicago has - two young athletic bigs with some significant emotional/maturity issues. It's hard to see a team giving much of anything for either of them. Just goes to show that the background character check done on potential draftees is just as important as their on the court performances. Makes me feel that much better about Hawes and Thompson.
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