Kings acquire Hilton Armstrong

[Kingsguy881]

Have you not read anything in this thread about how this could affect us at the trading deadline? This takes away a lot of flexibility that we had be previously being under the cap.

Oh yeah, because Amare said he wanted to come to Sac

Seriously, no big name players have wanted to come to Sac in the past, and we might MIGHT be able to pry Bosh to come to a small market. But really, players are only warming up to the idea of coming here now that we have Tyreke.

 

[allrightythen]

Haven't seen the numbers exactly yet but I suspect the Kings actually make money on this deal. If thats true and a team wants to give you money and a player you take it, especially if it doesn't hurt your situation. This move had little or nothing to do with basketball in my opinion. If Hilton weren't 6-11 he would probably be waived.

 

[drboiffard]

The only way I could understand this is if they feel Brockman can't play against taller centers. Westy has said as much. But the problem with this logic is that Armstrong can't either. Despite his height, he's weak. He doesn't defend well. He can't score. He gets pushed around by the bigger centers, and hasn't developed his body to compensate. So really, this move makes no sense, unless the kings scouting is just really, really poor.

That's the point why I don't get it.

Brockman deserves more credibility and time. If I see him being smashed by a big C, then I'll understand, but he hasn't got the opportunity.

 

[JB_kings]

Here is a list of players Petrie has signed or traded for in the last 4-5 years. I may be missing someone but this isn't exactly a stellar record. Let's be honest, the man is a terrific drafter and besides that he's not bringing much to the table recently.

Hilton Armstrong
Sean May
Sergio Rodriguez
Andres Nocioni
Ime Uodoka
Beno Udrih
Desmond Mason
Calvin Booth
Bobby Brown
Ike Diogu
Drew Gooden
Rashad McCants
Mikki Moore
John Salmons
Cedric Simmons
Wil Solomon
Shelden Williams
Orien Greene
Lorenzen Wright
Justin Williams
Jason Hart
Vitaly Potapenko
Mo Taylor

Not great lately. But then again he also brought in Webber, Divac, Bibby and Christie. Which was 4/5 of the starting line up that went to the WCF.

 

[Vlade4GM]

meh

 

[Showtime]

Interior defense.

He doesn't help that area.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not great lately. But then again he also brought in Webber, Divac, Bibby and Christie. Which was 4/5 of the starting line up that went to the WCF.

Yes, and Ally McBeal is a hoot and Britney Spears is just the hottest hit machine on the planet too.

 

[king07]

championship!!!!

 

[Showtime]

If someone could say, "I will give you some cash and a big man - and Sean May will never even be considered in touching the court again"... I will say, "thank you very much"...

May doesn't get court time as it is. KT and Brockman play ahead of him, so your point is moot.

Kings need a back up big man that can act like he is 6'11". Kings also need someone else other than Sean May. Kings also need cash.

Hilton doesn't act like he's 6'11''. So again, your point is moot.

No one says Petrie is done, so relax and be happy this trade isn't a BIG one that is horrible salary dump (like the 3x ones we have had over the last 2 years)...

It's yet another pointless move that gives up a future pick. People always like to excuse deals by "it doesn't hurt the team". But that shouldn't be the mindset. The mindset should be: "what does this do to improve the team"? And if you can't find an answer, then it's a bad deal. This deal doesn't improve the frontline and interior defense. It also costs the team a pick. So this is a bad deal.

 

[NME]

and Britney Spears is just the hottest hit machine on the planet too.

Actually, she kind of is again, so maybe Petrie is also making a comeback. We can just consider Mikki Moore his head-shaving incident and Artest was K-Fed.

 

[allrightythen]

We gave up a conditional 2nd rounder in 2016 for Hilton Armstrong and cash roughly equal to his salary. Its not a bad deal. If you want to find reasons to criticize GP I can understand, he's far from perfect. But this deal does not hurt the team in any way.

 

[ParniValjak]

tall mateen

Mateen's ability to wave a towel is at a HOF level. Armstrong is no where near that level.

Mateen > Armstrong

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

Okay, just read the thread...

Geoff says that Armstrong can play PF in the press release. That's false. He's mostly been a center throughout his career, and it's obvious--skills are more in line with centers.

The thing with Armstrong is I seriously doubt he can bounce back. There's just way too many things he needs to improve on, as I listed above: paint offense, range, turnovers, rebounding, passing, individual defense. He's already 25, so don't expect any sort of quantum leap here. Combined with basketball IQ and perhaps even dedication to the sport (he hasn't improved), I really seriously doubt that he has much upside--he pretty much is who he is, when stripped to the core he's just a "body" out there.

Honestly, the best part of this deal is the fact that we just get money to take Armstrong, because we need that big body (6'11", 7'4" wingspan). He'll probably be out of the league soon.

 

[Showtime]

We gave up a conditional 2nd rounder in 2016 for Hilton Armstrong and cash roughly equal to his salary. Its not a bad deal. If you want to find reasons to criticize GP I can understand, he's far from perfect. But this deal does not hurt the team in any way.

Ignorant viewpoint. First off, it DOES hurt the team by losing the pick (which is far more valuable in GP's hands during a draft instead of included in another pointless GP deal). Second, you shouldn't judge a deal by how much it hurts the team, but by how much it improves it. If the best thing you can say about a deal is that it's a wash because it doesn't hurt, then it's a bad deal. Deals should help the team, not be meaningless.

 

[pshn80]

The long list of players Petrie has got in trades doesn't indicate a thing either good or bad to me. Trades have to fit and to fit sometimes even the kitchen sink is thrown in. So forget the list.

I think I'll go with Petrie on this. Always fun to watch the process.

As an aside.... whether Armstrong acquisition turns out or not ...... I bet Armstrong isn't as "clumsy" as JT.

 

[Showtime]

As an aside.... whether Armstrong acquisition turns out or not ...... I bet Armstrong isn't as "clumsy" as JT.

lmfao how much of hilton have you watched? He's MORE clumsy than JT.

 

[allrightythen]

It's yet another pointless move that gives up a future pick. People always like to excuse deals by "it doesn't hurt the team". But that shouldn't be the mindset. The mindset should be: "what does this do to improve the team"? And if you can't find an answer, then it's a bad deal. This deal doesn't improve the frontline and interior defense. It also costs the team a pick. So this is a bad deal.

Generally in deals like this the conditions are set such that they can never be reached so we don't actually give anything up except for cap space against this years cap.

 

[NME]

Ignorant viewpoint. First off, it DOES hurt the team by losing the pick (which is far more valuable in GP's hands during a draft instead of included in another pointless GP deal).

Given that it's a conditional pick absurdly pushed out to 2016, I have a feeling that the conditions are essentially unattainable and no pick will be transferred.

 

[piksi]

Mateen's ability to wave a towel is at a HOF level. Armstrong is no where near that level.

Mateen > Armstrong

I stand corrected

 

[piksi]

I bet Armstrong isn't as "clumsy" as JT.

how much do you want to bet ?

 

[Showtime]

Generally in deals like this the conditions are set such that they can never be reached so we don't actually give anything up except for cap space against this years cap.

Yes, conditional picks don't always turn out. And the team will probably keep it. However, when conditions end up being filled, it often ends up bad in the long run. I would rather give GP as many draft picks as possible and not risk losing them to make a deal for a third string player.

 

[Showtime]

Given that it's a conditional pick absurdly pushed out to 2016, I have a feeling that the conditions are essentially unattainable and no pick will be transferred.

I didn't know it was that far off, but GP still just did NOLA a favor. That's the only thing I can think of. They need salary relief, he complied, and probably did this to set up some future moves.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Whens the trading deadline ?

We did just add 2.8 million in expirings that we can package with Thomas....

 

[djsnaz]

May doesn't get court time as it is. KT and Brockman play ahead of him, so your point is moot.

Wrong - I have seen May play a bunch of times this year and he is horrible. No one is saying Armstrong will get much PT, but anything is better than Fat May. If this move gives PW an option vs. putting fatty in, then fine by me.

Hilton doesn't act like he's 6'11''. So again, your point is moot.

And Brockman doesn't act like he is 6'7". What's your point? Hilton is 3rd option Center. If he HAS to go in (like any other 3rd option big man) than he can act like he is 6'11"...

It's yet another pointless move that gives up a future pick. People always like to excuse deals by "it doesn't hurt the team". But that shouldn't be the mindset. The mindset should be: "what does this do to improve the team"? And if you can't find an answer, then it's a bad deal. This deal doesn't improve the frontline and interior defense. It also costs the team a pick. So this is a bad deal.

A 2nd round pick in 2016? Who gives a rats *** - this was an opportunity to pick up some cash and show Fatty the door...

If Petrie does NOTHING else before trade deadline - then we can all *****...

 

[allrightythen]

Yes, conditional picks don't always turn out. However, when it does, it often ends up bad in the long run. I would rather give GP as many draft picks as possible and not risk losing them to make a deal for a third string player.

They purposefully set the conditions of the picks in deals like this such that they can never be reached.

 

[Showtime]

Wrong - I have seen May play a bunch of times this year and he is horrible.

Incorrect. I am not wrong when I say KT and Brockman play ahead of him. The last time he got court time was on DEC 12. He's only played in 9 games this season. NINE GAMES, and to you, that's a "bunch of times"? KT has played 25 games, and Brockman has played in 28. Now rethink your comments.

No one is saying Armstrong will get much PT, but anything is better than Fat May. If this move gives PW an option vs. putting fatty in, then fine by me.

I don't like May, but you aren't understanding that MAY DOESN'T PLAY.

And Brockman doesn't act like he is 6'7". What's your point? Hilton is 3rd option Center. If he HAS to go in (like any other 3rd option big man) than he can act like he is 6'11"...

My point is he's small body size, he's weak, gets pushed around, so his height isn't an indication of his physical presence.

A 2nd round pick in 2016? Who gives a rats *** - this was an opportunity to pick up some cash and show Fatty the door...

Meaningless trades aren't a good thing IMO.

If Petrie does NOTHING else before trade deadline - then we can all *****...

If this deal sets up another, then fine. But if not, then it's yet another pointless move.

 

[Heuge]

Here is a list of players Petrie has signed or traded for in the last 4-5 years. I may be missing someone but this isn't exactly a stellar record. Let's be honest, the man is a terrific drafter and besides that he's not bringing much to the table recently.

Hilton Armstrong
Sean May
Sergio Rodriguez
Andres Nocioni
Ime Uodoka
Beno Udrih
Desmond Mason
Calvin Booth
Bobby Brown
Ike Diogu
Drew Gooden
Rashad McCants
Mikki Moore
John Salmons
Cedric Simmons
Wil Solomon
Shelden Williams
Orien Greene
Lorenzen Wright
Justin Williams
Jason Hart
Vitaly Potapenko
Mo Taylor

Ouch, if that isnt a who's who list...

 

[pshn80]

Wrong -

If Petrie does NOTHING else before trade deadline - then we can all *****...

We will anyway so what's the big deal?

 

[sdballer]

Wrong - I have seen May play a bunch of times this year and he is horrible. No one is saying Armstrong will get much PT, but anything is better than Fat May. If this move gives PW an option vs. putting fatty in, then fine by me.


And Brockman doesn't act like he is 6'7". What's your point? Hilton is 3rd option Center. If he HAS to go in (like any other 3rd option big man) than he can act like he is 6'11"...



A 2nd round pick in 2016? Who gives a rats *** - this was an opportunity to pick up some cash and show Fatty the door...

If Petrie does NOTHING else before trade deadline - then we can all *****...

The funny thing is the same argument was used to defend the May signing in the first place. A lot of fans said we don't know what Petrie is working on. May needs a fresh start. He's a big body. And finally, wait to see what the rest of the off-season brings. If its just May, then we can *****. Now, we're saying the same things about fatty's replacement on the bench.

I'd just like to spend some time discussing a meaningful Petrie trade/signing rather than always just dismissing every move as "couldn't hurt that much". Not a high enough bar.

 

[mr. moustache]

Bonzi in Sac was great. That said, Geoff nearly blew it with that one. Didn't he offer him a longterm contract and Bonzi balked? Had he taken it, that would likely have looked very bad.

Were those posiitves? Well, I liked Bonzi, or at least what he did for us.

Also outside the window I thnk. If those guys are in, so are Kenny Thomas, Brian Skinner and Corliss Williamson.