Hollinger was one on record for omitting Monk and gave his first place vote to a player who started 33 of 79 appearances.
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Hollinger was one on record for omitting Monk and gave his first place vote to a player who started 33 of 79 appearances.
LPKingsFan
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Forgot about that. If I remember correctly, he defended it in the comments saying Monk was something like the classic score-first 6th man candidate, as if that was a bad thing, and as if Monk didn’t also lead the league in assists off the bench. Basura.
Hollinger was one on record for omitting Monk and gave his first place vote to a player who started 33 of 79 appearances.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Yeah, the per 100 possessions stats for Keon vs Monk this season, are quite interesting...
They were 5.5 points better with Keon on the floor per 100. They were 1.6 points worse with Monk.
Just on his defensive impact alone and what it does for Fox, I'm not sure how they could justify leaving Keon out of lineup. He had more deflections than Monk in half the minutes. When Ellis was in the rotation after getting converted to a regular contract, they were ranked 3rd in defense and 13th in offense. For the season, the Kings were ranked 14th in defense and 13 in offense.
I just don't see a Fox - Monk starting lineup working for a team hoping to move up in the west
iowamcnabb
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In Brown’s presser he said that our offensive rating would have been 7th if we shot last years percentage from the foul line (79 percent) if we can get back to that and maintain a top 10 defense all year maybe we get to 50 wins or more
In Brown’s presser he said that our offensive rating would have been 7th if we shot last years percentage from the foul line (79 percent) if we can get back to that and maintain a top 10 defense all year maybe we get to 50 wins or more
ShastaKingsFan
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I'm convinced that they would have been a 50+ win team, had Keon been in the starting lineup most of the season. His defense changes things significantly. More so than what other player's offense does, in terms of differential
captain bill
All-Star
That doesnt feel like a positive too much bc we got him at a huge discount and he deserves whatever he can get and thinks is right for him
But no I don't think the award would change the opinion of any professional FO. Maybe would sway some meddlesome owner out there who no longer wants to open the wallet, but idk if that scenario even exists anywhere right now
coolhandluke
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It sucks for Monk who did everything that a top notch 6th man should do. I will consider it a snub just like how Domas got bilked out of an All-Star spot. Award or no award, Monk is still a King in Arabic.
megapoxy
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Also for those who wrote "it's better that he didn't win the award so teams won't offer him more money" I think it's kind of worse because he feel that his accomplishments are not recognized playing for the Kings and he could go somewhere else even playing as a 6th month to make it this time.
I also think he was robbed, Reid had a good finish of the season as a starter, his numbers as a 6th man weren't that impressive but Minnesota finishing 3rd in the West somehow made people vote for him. So it was both Monk and KAT injuries that made Reid win the award at the end.
Hollinger was one on record for omitting Monk and gave his first place vote to a player who started 33 of 79 appearances.
Ah, clown #1 has outed himself.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Except for when the KINGS were the ones succeeding as a top 3 seed, as they were last season. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Swipa didn’t get voted into last seasons all-star game and only got in via injury replacement.
Minny was a bottom tier seed last season and when they are having a great season this season like the KINGS did last year — the rules didn’t apply the same. I mean, it’s not like Minny is a pillar of franchise success, either.
Quite honestly, I’m far past tired of the narrative of small market or perennial losing teams not getting or deserving awards like this. Or respect from the officials and/or league. If like 6 or 7 franchises in the big markets are all that really matters to the NBA — then definitely never expand again then save everybody a lot of time and frustration by contracting at least half of the 30 teams down to the only ones that matter.
Seriously, of the major sports leagues in North America, the NBA is by far the worst in terms marketing and supporting ALL their teams. Even in MLB where there isn’t even a salary cap, you have smaller market, less frequently successful franchises able to compete and even win championships from time to time. And the marquee players from the likes of Tampa Bay, Kansas City, Pittsburg, Toronto, etc, don’t get hosed and left out of all-star events and regular season awards.
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reptilexcq2
Bench
Last year I recommend the Kings to sign Reid but of course he quickly resign with the Wolves lol. NO chance. And now he is awarded the 6th Man of the Year. He's the kind of player that the Kings need, not Barnes! He has the length, can play D, rebound, block and shoot.
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Is defense ever mentioned as a consideration for a 6th man award? If it is, Naz Reid is a more effective defender than Monk.
Everybody keeps citing the offensive stats. It is possible that this award should go deeper than that
Everybody keeps citing the offensive stats. It is possible that this award should go deeper than that
DynaPamm
Bench
I really don’t know how this happened. I’m sitting here so effing furious. I mean, we all know the kings never get respect but come on seriously? A man who is so deserving of this title for all his hard work his numbers, his positivity and just everything that he’s done for the Sacramento Kings Did not make it. I didn’t know what was going on as I was driving home from my doctors appointment and caught the butt of a story and they never went back. I just walked in the door and saw this. This sucks! Malik you are our king our sixth man . Truly sorry you got denied so effing unfair.
Im really am just so effn pissed that he got snubbed
Im really am just so effn pissed that he got snubbed
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Naz is a good player and has a credible argument for the award. And I don’t blame Hollinger. Monk shot 35% from 3. Naz shot significantly better. Any analytics guy is going to have a problem with Monk’s efficiency.
But it is hard for those that don’t watch the Kings to understand how much impact Monk has on the offense and how he’s only one of 3 legit playmakers on the team. I’m a huge Monk fan (and I also wanted the Kings to sign Naz Reid last offseason). My biggest offseason addition hope this year is Monk.
But it is hard for those that don’t watch the Kings to understand how much impact Monk has on the offense and how he’s only one of 3 legit playmakers on the team. I’m a huge Monk fan (and I also wanted the Kings to sign Naz Reid last offseason). My biggest offseason addition hope this year is Monk.
If that was the case in regards to defense, Fox would be a slam dunk for one of the all-nba teams as one of the most effective 2 way guys.
I doubt that defense is a consideration given the last ten years the winners are not exactly known for thei defense: Brogdon, Hero, Clarkson, Montreal Harrell, Lou Williams, Jamal Crawford Eric Gordon .
ShastaKingsFan
All-Star
Should defense be part of the consideration though? Perhaps this time it was, if we do a comparison between Reid and Monk
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
That's a bit selective of him IMO. The issue wasn't missing the free throws as much as it was getting less of them. The prior season the Kings top 3 options in FTA's were Fox, Domas, and Barnes, all of them averaged more than 5-6 per game which is actually kind of low anyway. This season number 3 was Monk who only shot 2.8 per game. The percentages will tend to tick down the less you shoot on average because that 0.2 more or less in makes is a bigger difference for someone shooting 2 free throws per game than someone shooting 9 a game. The Kings were looking for spray 3's, not contact, those results basically panned out the way you'd expect. Free throws are rhythmic just like anything else in BBall, inconsistency in getting looks results in inconsistency in result when you do.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
fair but I’d still bet that being the worst free throw shooting team in the league negatively impacted our rating and our win column. Even if it was a couple spots and a win or two, pretty important stuff. This especially true for teams built around shooting.
DynaPamm
Bench
I’m confused because of the way we got Monk but only signing him for a 2 year contract we do not have any early bird rights??? I understood it had to be 3??
Steph Curry just won NBA clutch player award, so apparently the "must make the post season" requirement to win these award recognitions was lifted after all this fuss about Monk. Seems like it was only yesterday. Wild.
Early Bird rights come after two years, Full Bird rights come after three years.
This has to be illegal but could a team sign Monk and trade him right back to us?
No, of course not.
Caccia
Starter
Unrestricted free agents signed to a new contract cannot be traded until after December 15. Right, Capt.?
Yeah, December 15th or three months after the signing, whichever is later. In Monk's case, Dec. 15th will surely be later.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Keith Smith from Spotrac was on the Drive Guys today and doubled down on saying we can do a 1 and 1 deal with a player option in year two using early bird rights and then sign him to a new deal using full bird rights after the opt out. This guy’s whole job is understanding the CBA and salary related stuff, does he know something we don’t or is he just flat out wrong? He starts talking about it at around 250ish
macadocious
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He’s correct. We’ve discussed it like 15 times on here.
