KING IN ARABIC
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Yes, but he is an unrestricted free agent and he does not need to accept that role anymore. He sacrificed for the team and embraced the role.
IMO MB was far too rigid with his rotation and didn't even give him the chance to start when the other guards were injured. For most teams, the 6th man takes the spot, when a starter goes down, MB never gave Monk that shot.
I think Monk could also be a quality starter at SG if we are able to get the right player around him and the rest of the core. We need to find a defensive big/ shot blocker opposite Domas to make it work, which I think would be easier than replacing what Monk brings to this team.
IMO MB was far too rigid with his rotation and didn't even give him the chance to start when the other guards were injured. For most teams, the 6th man takes the spot, when a starter goes down, MB never gave Monk that shot.
I think Monk could also be a quality starter at SG if we are able to get the right player around him and the rest of the core. We need to find a defensive big/ shot blocker opposite Domas to make it work, which I think would be easier than replacing what Monk brings to this team.
And now we're going to sacrifice the good of the team to appease his ego? No thanks. We're far better off with Keon in the starting lineup and Monk or a player like Monk off the bench.
Or I guess we can just rebuild the rest of the team to fit that square peg into a round hole.
Also where do you get this PF with no money? In other threads we're talking about BI as a possible answer which is exactly the type of player that does not fill that gap. Because of Domas's reluctance to shoot the 3 we are going to need this shotblocking defensive PF to also shoot from the perimeter and so this will not be an MLE player.
Or I guess we can just rebuild the rest of the team to fit that square peg into a round hole.
Also where do you get this PF with no money? In other threads we're talking about BI as a possible answer which is exactly the type of player that does not fill that gap. Because of Domas's reluctance to shoot the 3 we are going to need this shotblocking defensive PF to also shoot from the perimeter and so this will not be an MLE player.
I would think that any free agent negotiations with your own free agent would include input from the coach. I'm sure if Monte offered a shot at the starting spot to Monk with the hopes of re-signing one of his best players, I would think MB would have to give his blessings. It's not as though Monk can't just call or text MB to confirm his standing on the team before he made his decision.
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Yes, one would hope. But this is a business and I wouldn't fault him for taking more money and a starting job elsewhere.
Here is the thing, if Monk sacrificed and stayed a 6th man for the Kings, his next contract would also be limited and curtailed because he would be locked into a "6th Man" role when he hits free agency again in 4 years. That could make an even bigger difference in his next contract 4 years down the road than it is now. He could be sacrificing somewhere between $20-50+ million in potential salary be accepting being a career 6th man as opposed to a star level starting SG. That's not a sacrifice most players would make and I wouldn't begrudge him if he didn't.
Here is the thing, if Monk sacrificed and stayed a 6th man for the Kings, his next contract would also be limited and curtailed because he would be locked into a "6th Man" role when he hits free agency again in 4 years. That could make an even bigger difference in his next contract 4 years down the road than it is now. He could be sacrificing somewhere between $20-50+ million in potential salary be accepting being a career 6th man as opposed to a star level starting SG. That's not a sacrifice most players would make and I wouldn't begrudge him if he didn't.
That sounds more like a Domas problem than a Monk problem. Domas is a big boy and he is being paid like an elite big man. Domas needs to put on his big boy pants and shot 3-4 3s per game for the betterment of the team and the roster construction.
If Domas can do that, we could draft a defensive shot blocking big with very good touch around the rim like the 7'4" Zach Edey to erase mistakes made by other players. He could play goalie like what Rudy Gobert does for KAT and the Wolves.
If Domas can do that, we could draft a defensive shot blocking big with very good touch around the rim like the 7'4" Zach Edey to erase mistakes made by other players. He could play goalie like what Rudy Gobert does for KAT and the Wolves.
This whole argument comes completely unraveled when it comes to light there is a zero percent chance of replacing Monk with a player like Monk. Saying that like it’s an easily accomplishable task is almost laughable. The importance he holds to this team isn’t going to be just patched with an MLE guy.
So now we have Keon in the starting lineup, no one like Monk … and what happens if Keon regresses like every other “diamond in the rough” we’ve found throughout the years? Letting Monk walk in large part because you’re putting all the money in Keon Ellis stock is silly, and I say that as a huge fan of Keon.
That seems like more steps backwards than simply tweaking the dynamics of a starting roster that wasn’t even good enough to make the playoffs.
So now we have Keon in the starting lineup, no one like Monk … and what happens if Keon regresses like every other “diamond in the rough” we’ve found throughout the years? Letting Monk walk in large part because you’re putting all the money in Keon Ellis stock is silly, and I say that as a huge fan of Keon.
That seems like more steps backwards than simply tweaking the dynamics of a starting roster that wasn’t even good enough to make the playoffs.
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I don't understand the argument here. Wether or not Monk leaves will rely entirely on what he is offered by other teams. The Kings are capped on what they can offer and promising a starting position won't change that and would make no sense from the Kings' perspective.
While losing Monk hurt the Kings late in the season, I think that had a lot more to do with him being their only consistent bench player for most of the season. It put way too much pressure on the starters to do everything.
While losing Monk hurt the Kings late in the season, I think that had a lot more to do with him being their only consistent bench player for most of the season. It put way too much pressure on the starters to do everything.
The problem with Domas is that the center is supposed to be your defensive anchor and the last line of defense and he clearly is not.
If the Kings ever want to become anything else besides a fringe playoff team, they will need to shore up the defense in the middle with someone bigger and longer than Domas, whether that's at the 4 or the 5. If Domas would just shoot the outside jumper more often (even just 2 more 3s per game), that would make Monte's job a lot easier.
If the Kings ever want to become anything else besides a fringe playoff team, they will need to shore up the defense in the middle with someone bigger and longer than Domas, whether that's at the 4 or the 5. If Domas would just shoot the outside jumper more often (even just 2 more 3s per game), that would make Monte's job a lot easier.
I'm sorry but according to you this season was the lousiest in history and the team was extremely unlikeable. Now all of a sudden you are championing resigning Monk and starting him, when starting him (over Keon who brings a balance to the starters and honestly, let's be fair, when Keon started and Monk was healthy and came off the bench the Kings were a damn good team) would make our backcourt undersized and weaken our defense AS well as weaken our bench?
Posts just always feel so bi-polar.
Posts just always feel so bi-polar.
I'm not sure if it's being bi-polar or the fact that our option would be starting Monk or losing him for nothing in unrestricted free agency.
Which may be what it comes down to, if a team likes Orlando offers Monk more money and a starting job on a playoff caliber team. Our wildcard is offering him something he clearly wants and that's a shot at starting.
Which may be what it comes down to, if a team likes Orlando offers Monk more money and a starting job on a playoff caliber team. Our wildcard is offering him something he clearly wants and that's a shot at starting.
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Yeah, that was some of the questionable rotations from MB that I was talking about. There was plenty of times when Fox or Huerter was injured and MB never put Monk in the starting line up, which would had been the natural thing to do for most coaches.
It would had been good to see Monk tried in the starting line up, however I'm sure there are advanced stats from when he was playing alongside Fox, Sabonis and Keegan that we can project his potential fit in the starting 5.
It would had been good to see Monk tried in the starting line up, however I'm sure there are advanced stats from when he was playing alongside Fox, Sabonis and Keegan that we can project his potential fit in the starting 5.
One of these threads has actual numbers when Monk is playing with the projected starters and the Kings are in the red per 100 possessions with Monk while they are in the black with Keon. I think it's somewhere between a 7-10 point differential while also being the difference between a positive and negative +/- when Keon is with the starters vs Monk. I don't know how to find these splits and a quick google didn't find them either. Hopefully whoever posted them originally can share.
Ellis w/ the Starters
261 min
107.0 OFFRTG
105.8 DEFRTG
+1.2 NETRTG
Monk w/ the Starters
151 min
115.3 OFFRTG
117.0 DEFTG
-1.8 NETRTG
Now only if we could find a player with Monk’s offense and Ellis’ defense we’d have a NETRTG of +9.5
261 min
107.0 OFFRTG
105.8 DEFRTG
+1.2 NETRTG
Monk w/ the Starters
151 min
115.3 OFFRTG
117.0 DEFTG
-1.8 NETRTG
Now only if we could find a player with Monk’s offense and Ellis’ defense we’d have a NETRTG of +9.5
Ellis w/ the Starters
261 min
107.0 OFFRTG
105.8 DEFRTG
+1.2 NETRTG
Monk w/ the Starters
151 min
115.3 OFFRTG
117.0 DEFTG
-1.8 NETRTG
Now only if we could find a player with Monk’s offense and Ellis’ defense we’d have a NETRTG of +9.5
261 min
107.0 OFFRTG
105.8 DEFRTG
+1.2 NETRTG
Monk w/ the Starters
151 min
115.3 OFFRTG
117.0 DEFTG
-1.8 NETRTG
Now only if we could find a player with Monk’s offense and Ellis’ defense we’d have a NETRTG of +9.5
one other thing I’d add, we were hovering around 19th on defense all year until they changed how they ref/ Ellis came in. Do you have those Ratings for just post all star break?
I don't think that would make any difference. If Orlando offers him $20 million or more, he is likely signing with them no matter what the Kings offer. I also am of the opinion that his worth to the team is much higher as a 6th man than as a starter. Imagine what the King's defense would have looked like with Keon as the starter for the whole season. And his offense was getting better and more consistent with each game.
As much as we will miss Monk if he leaves, there are options for the Kings to replace his production. Heurter was a solid bench player before he became a starter for the Kings. I also expect improvement and more playing time for Colby Jones next season. Then there is the draft and free agency. If the Kings can acquire a better starter to replace Barnes, he likely moves to the bench where he could be very productive. We will have to wait and see what Monte has up his sleeves.
As much as we will miss Monk if he leaves, there are options for the Kings to replace his production. Heurter was a solid bench player before he became a starter for the Kings. I also expect improvement and more playing time for Colby Jones next season. Then there is the draft and free agency. If the Kings can acquire a better starter to replace Barnes, he likely moves to the bench where he could be very productive. We will have to wait and see what Monte has up his sleeves.