Kevin Martin, Ranked 9 among SG in NBA

[dukeswh]

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Kevin Martin, Sacramento Kings

2008-09 stats: 24.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.7 apg
Of all the good-offense, bad-defense shooting guards in the NBA — and there are many — Martin gets the nod over the likes of Ben Gordon, Michael Redd, Jason Terry, Jason Richardson and Allen Iverson. He averaged 24.6 points last season, seventh in the league and third among shooting guards. An outstanding 3-point shooter who also excels at drawing fouls (he averaged 10.3 free-throw attempts last season, more than LeBron James), his scoring average and offensive repertoire have increased each season, and at 26 he's just entering his prime. Still, besides improving his weak D, he needs to become more durable after missing 52 games over the past two seasons.

 

[Dreadnought]

Fair ranking. I personally would have put Joe Johnson ahead of Brandon Roy and Richard Hamilton behind Vince Carter and Kevin Martin.

I'm happy that KMart is more highly regarded than Ben Gordon, but I still hope he continues to actually develop other facets of his game.

 

[dukeswh]

Fair ranking. I personally would have put Joe Johnson ahead of Brandon Roy and Richard Hamilton behind Vince Carter and Kevin Martin.

I'm happy that KMart is more highly regarded than Ben Gordon, but I still hope he continues to actually develop other facets of his game.

I agree with putting Martin in front of Carter, but Rip is in the right place. I give him the edge over Martin in defense.

 

[Kings Faithful]

"Martin gets the nod over the likes of Ben Gordon, Michael Redd, Jason Terry, Jason Richardson and Allen Iverson"... Yet he has the worse NBA 2k10 stats out of every single one of them... I still can't get over that.

Anyways, hopefully with a real threat at point guard now Martin can find a way to become an elite scorer this season... 26-28 ppg range would make me happy. Mabye spoil me with a little bit of defense of improvement... that would be ideal.

 

[Bricklayer]

#9 is probably about right at this point, but not sure that I agree with all of the details of that list: Ray Allen may be living on rep at this point, I think you probably take Rip Hamilton if you want to win ahead of Kevin because over the years he has grown and now plays defense and racks up assists -- but talentwise...; and while they used the injury as a possibly valid excuse, assuming that Manu is still Manu I think 10 out of 10 GMs would take him not only over Kevin, but over about 4 or 5 guys above him on that list as well.

Now the real problem for us emerges: the best player on our team just got rated about the 9th best at his own position. Followed of course by the second problem: nobody else on the team is even going to be on a Top 10 list. At our peak all 5 starters would have been on them or close.

 

[Bricklayer]

"Martin gets the nod over the likes of Ben Gordon, Michael Redd, Jason Terry, Jason Richardson and Allen Iverson"... Yet he has the worse NBA 2k10 stats out of every single one of them... I still can't get over that.

Anyways, hopefully with a real threat at point guard now Martin can find a way to become an elite scorer this season... 26-28 ppg range would make me happy. Mabye spoil me with a little bit of defense of improvement... that would be ideal.

1) have not played any of the NBA2k games in forever, but don't many/most of those games try to make teams perform like they did in real life, so if you played for a 17 win team, your numbers are going to suck comparatively?

2) that real threat at PG is just as likely, in fact moreso, to drain shots/points away from Kevin as add points to him. Especially when combined with more shots demanded by the young bigs. You figured Beno averaged 11pts last season. Unless Reke is a real flop (a problem in itself), he's going to average more points and take more shots. Those have to come from somewhere. And as an aside that's not necessarily a bad thing.

 

[Kingsguy881]

1) have not played any of the NBA2k games in forever, but don't many/most of those games try to make teams perform like they did in real life, so if you played for a 17 win team, your numbers are going to suck comparatively?

2) that real threat at PG is just as likely, in fact moreso, to drain shots/points away from Kevin as add points to him. Especially when combined with more shots demanded by the young bigs. You figured Beno averaged 11pts last season. Unless Reke is a real flop (a problem in itself), he's going to average more points and take more shots. Those have to come from somewhere. And as an aside that's not necessarily a bad thing.

You are not taking into account that Martin's % could rise as a result of getting higher percentage shots, unlike last year when he shot a career low % due to defensive pressure from darn near the entire other team. Martin is a % scorer, not a volume shooter.

 

[rainmaker]

I think Kevins ranking was pretty fair, although I also would question how high Allen and Rip are on that list. They both are a little higher than they should be, but thats what happens when your team is in the playoffs every year.
I think playing next to a good pg(and tyreke will be a top 10 pg at some point), Kevins stats will improve, and with a few more wins, he will move up into the 6-8 range. Allen and Rip are declining quickly, I'm not a big fan of VC, and in a year or two i would guess at least 2 of those guys aren't mentioned in the top 10. Kevin obviously won't ever get to a Kobe/Wade level, and B Roy and J johnson are much better all around players than Kevin. But I think Kevin still have the potential and ability to be right behind those 4 guys.

 

[Bricklayer]

You are not taking into account that Martin's % could rise as a result of getting higher percentage shots, unlike last year when he shot a career low % due to defensive pressure from darn near the entire other team. Martin is a % scorer, not a volume shooter.

Kevin's percentages were higher while Artest was here draining away attention, but his scoring averages were still less because he got fewer shot attempts. And Ron was the SF, not the PG bringing the ball up and making the primary decisions.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Were lacking talent, and thats why were so bad. Blame the coaching if you want ( I have in the past.. ) but we need these young guys to develope big time.

If you ranked every starter at every position, Kmart is the only one of our players that can crack the top 10, and even thats close.

Jt, Spencer, Evans, and Nocioni would probly rank somewhere in the 20-30 range.

 

[Kings Faithful]

1) have not played any of the NBA2k games in forever, but don't many/most of those games try to make teams perform like they did in real life, so if you played for a 17 win team, your numbers are going to suck comparatively?

2) that real threat at PG is just as likely, in fact moreso, to drain shots/points away from Kevin as add points to him. Especially when combined with more shots demanded by the young bigs. You figured Beno averaged 11pts last season. Unless Reke is a real flop (a problem in itself), he's going to average more points and take more shots. Those have to come from somewhere. And as an aside that's not necessarily a bad thing.

I guess that could be a reason why the screwed him over. Still... If the Lakers sucked I doubt Kobe would be even any where close to the 80's range.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Kevin's percentages were higher while Artest was here draining away attention, but his scoring averages were still less because he got fewer shot attempts. And Ron was the SF, not the PG bringing the ball up and making the primary decisions.

Artest was hogging the ball, you know that. And Kevin was not long in the league whereas Artest was an established veteran. And Theus was the coach.

Evans will be looking to get Martin the ball because now Martin is the established veteran. Artest was looking at the hoop and if he got an assist it was because someone knocked the ball out of his hands and it ended up in someone else's who scored.

Pretty weak argument you have there.

 

[TaxMan]

I guess that could be a reason why the screwed him over. Still... If the Lakers sucked I doubt Kobe would be even any where close to the 80's range.

With Kobe on their team, the lakers would never have sucked as bad as we did last year. That's probably part of the reason they rated Martin so low....not that I'd get really upset about what the makers of a video game thinks.

 

[SacTownKid]

#9 is probably about right at this point, but not sure that I agree with all of the details of that list: Ray Allen may be living on rep at this point, I think you probably take Rip Hamilton if you want to win ahead of Kevin because over the years he has grown and now plays defense and racks up assists -- but talentwise...; and while they used the injury as a possibly valid excuse, assuming that Manu is still Manu I think 10 out of 10 GMs would take him not only over Kevin, but over about 4 or 5 guys above him on that list as well.

Now the real problem for us emerges: the best player on our team just got rated about the 9th best at his own position. Followed of course by the second problem: nobody else on the team is even going to be on a Top 10 list. At our peak all 5 starters would have been on them or close.

Just wait until next year.