Kevin Martin out again?
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wow I'm starting to be really dissappointed with Kevin this year. He wasn't on his last year's form at the start of the season and then he missed like what 12 games because of an ankle injury, then comes back being non existent for 2 games and is injured once again?! Not exactly the type of season we all wanted him to have...
Disappointed "with" Kevin or disappointed in how things have turned out for him this year?
I'm very disappointed that he hasn't been healthy and able to contribute but the injury certainly wasn't his fault. This stuff happens - blaming Kevin for it jsut doesn't seem to make much sense to me. That would be like blaming a race horse for snapping its leg during a race.
I'm very disappointed that he hasn't been healthy and able to contribute but the injury certainly wasn't his fault. This stuff happens - blaming Kevin for it jsut doesn't seem to make much sense to me. That would be like blaming a race horse for snapping its leg during a race.
Im disappointed with every kings players except Hawes and Thompson probably.
Martin just can't get it done. Even before the injury, he wasn't as good as I have expected. And to me, many people expect him to be THE MAN in this team when he doesn't have that kind of potential, skill, and leadership. He is just good third or second option. He can't be THE MAN in the NBA team unless team sucks like Kings.
If I was Petrie I would put every player except Hawes and Thompson on the trading block and fire Theus. To me KMart isn't untouchable. He is not THE MAN. If I could trade KMart+@ to get Roy i would do it.
Martin just can't get it done. Even before the injury, he wasn't as good as I have expected. And to me, many people expect him to be THE MAN in this team when he doesn't have that kind of potential, skill, and leadership. He is just good third or second option. He can't be THE MAN in the NBA team unless team sucks like Kings.
If I was Petrie I would put every player except Hawes and Thompson on the trading block and fire Theus. To me KMart isn't untouchable. He is not THE MAN. If I could trade KMart+@ to get Roy i would do it.
Just a request - we have TONS of trade threads going in the Personnel Moves section. Let's keep this thread on topic, okay? If you want to talk about trades, use the other forum.
thanks.
Now, back to discussion of Kevin...
Just how good did you REALLY expect him to be? And is that going back to when he was drafrted and pretty much NO ONE knew even who he was? Martin has faced an uphill battle his entire NBA career. It was said he'd never even be a regular player in the lineup, let alone a starter. It was also said he'd never be an efficient scorer with his unorthodox shot. It was widely felt by many that he'd never last more than three years in the league and the idea he'd receive fan adultation the way he has AND a significant contract extension was totally out of the picture.
It's real easy to dump on the guy right now but I'm sorry if I find it just a tad ingenuous.
thanks.
Now, back to discussion of Kevin...
Just how good did you REALLY expect him to be? And is that going back to when he was drafrted and pretty much NO ONE knew even who he was? Martin has faced an uphill battle his entire NBA career. It was said he'd never even be a regular player in the lineup, let alone a starter. It was also said he'd never be an efficient scorer with his unorthodox shot. It was widely felt by many that he'd never last more than three years in the league and the idea he'd receive fan adultation the way he has AND a significant contract extension was totally out of the picture.
It's real easy to dump on the guy right now but I'm sorry if I find it just a tad ingenuous.
we not talking about how he was before he pan out his potential. we are talking about how he is doing NOW. I have a question for you VF21. You think Kevin Martin can be a leader in this team,THE MAN, and lead us to NBA Final? Because I don't think tat will never happen. That's my point. I'm not saying he sucks. He is a great 2~3 option IMO. That why I believe we need superstar type of player, like Webber back in early 2000.
I've never thought Martin would be the man, the superstar to lead us to the NBA finals, especially with the crew of miscreants he's had around him. I would equate him more to a Scottie Pippen, a supporting player who is a valuable asset to his teammates and really helps by making it difficult for other teams to stop multiple offensive threats.
And just to clarify a bit, Kevin didn't garner SUPERSTAR salary. Brad Miller, for example, garnered superstar salary, as did Mike Bibby. And look how far they got us...
If we are, in fact, active participants in the 2010 free agency, I think we may actually see a superstar free agent acuqisition. I don't know how Petrie will do it or who it will involve, but I truly believe that's what he's been angling for the past few years.
If you've been expecting Martin to become Michael Jordan or even Kobe Bryant, then I regret to inform you it is most likely your expectations that are out of line and not Kevin's performance.
And just to clarify a bit, Kevin didn't garner SUPERSTAR salary. Brad Miller, for example, garnered superstar salary, as did Mike Bibby. And look how far they got us...
If we are, in fact, active participants in the 2010 free agency, I think we may actually see a superstar free agent acuqisition. I don't know how Petrie will do it or who it will involve, but I truly believe that's what he's been angling for the past few years.
If you've been expecting Martin to become Michael Jordan or even Kobe Bryant, then I regret to inform you it is most likely your expectations that are out of line and not Kevin's performance.
sighhhh .. he has looked injured. I hate to bring everything back to Reggie .. but seriously guys .. NO coach in the league would have this roster at more than 5 wins. without martin we are the worst team in the league... at least with Kmart you could make a case that we are better than OKC, but now I dont think so.
John Salmons, a career long bench player black hole/ball hog is our best player .. God help this franchise.
John Salmons, a career long bench player black hole/ball hog is our best player .. God help this franchise.
I'm not sure who it is that decided that Martin was, as you call him, THE MAN. I heard Reggie calling for leadership on the team, but I don't think he singled out any one person.
I don't believe Martin ever called himself the Man. I think he said something along the lines of wanting to take on a larger role on the team. If anything, it was the local media that tried to pin that label on him. Just as they tried to pin the label of the go to guy on Webber. Good reason for professional athlete's not to read their own press clippings.
I'm starting to think that the worst thing a player in this town can do is to continue to improve to the point that he/she ( got to be politically correct ) breaks into the national spotlight. The next thing that happens is that player is expected to be the man or the leader of the team. And If he doesn't rise to the occasion, the lynch mob, or the Rise Guys appear and try to run him out of town.
I don't believe Martin ever called himself the Man. I think he said something along the lines of wanting to take on a larger role on the team. If anything, it was the local media that tried to pin that label on him. Just as they tried to pin the label of the go to guy on Webber. Good reason for professional athlete's not to read their own press clippings.
I'm starting to think that the worst thing a player in this town can do is to continue to improve to the point that he/she ( got to be politically correct ) breaks into the national spotlight. The next thing that happens is that player is expected to be the man or the leader of the team. And If he doesn't rise to the occasion, the lynch mob, or the Rise Guys appear and try to run him out of town.
I know its hard for everyone to believe right now, but there is talent on this team. By rights, they should be playing better than they are, and the most likely place to lay the blame is, unfortuately, Reggie. There are times when the team is better than the sum of its parts. In this case the opposite is true.
Strange as it may sound, but in some ways, the first five games of the season were almost the best five games of the season. I'm by no means saying there's enough talent to make the playoffs. I never thought this team would make the playoffs. But I did think that they could be a competive and intertaining team. Right now, they're neither.
Strange as it may sound, but in some ways, the first five games of the season were almost the best five games of the season. I'm by no means saying there's enough talent to make the playoffs. I never thought this team would make the playoffs. But I did think that they could be a competive and intertaining team. Right now, they're neither.
Same disagreement I had with the Peja jockers back in the day -- in the fury to build a kid up into something he is not and never will be, the eventual disappointment is inevitable. Some of it comes from the ridiculous hype machine we have in place of a responsible front office and a bought and paid for group of media and broadcasters who can just be nauseating, but much of it are the fans themselves. Please stop listening to the jockers. Stop listening to Grant and Jerry taking Maloof money in one pocket and then giving "balanced" analysis out the other. Ignore Ailene and her girlish crushes. There is a real player, with strengths and weaknesses, good features and warts back there behind the hype.
Kevin is Kevin. Just as Peja was Peja. Neither ever was or ever will be "the man" on a good NBA team. But that doesn't work for a jocker. No a jocker has to celebrate and exaggerate and worship and elevate these guys to ridiculous heights because they like them, have the hots for them, need them to be great to support their hopes for the Kings, just have crappy basketball acumen or whatever. And of course people who are only casual followers or just like to be part of something get swept up along. And then it always comes to this point -- reality sets in. They are a good player, not a great one. They have warts. They get injured, don't play enough defense, can't lead. And the pattern is always the same -- the very same people who were all over the guy's jock are the first to turn around with bitter recriminations, basically because they are disappointed. They were promised a shiny new toy that could do everything, and they got an average one from Wal Mart instead. And its still a pretty good toy, but its not what they expected and so it all looks like a lump of coal to them.
Kevin is Kevin. Kevin has always been Kevin. He is a very good scorer learning what it means to have NBA defenses lock into you because you are a very good scorer. He is not a good defender, and his game is not suited to making other guys better. He is showing himself to be a bit injury prone, perhaps not a surprise given his build and how much he likes to go to the hoop. He is not a natural leader. He is not one of the great ones. But he is a very good scorer at a position that normally calls for one, and an upper echelon player at his position -- one of the few Kings who can say that. I have sat here and argued for "real Kevin" versus fantasy Kevin for years now. I am hardly going to stop now. And yet I am not disappointed. When you just take a player for what he is, rather than what you wish he could be, then him being what he is is not a disappointment. This is Kevin. For the longest time nobody wanted to admit to it, but he has warts. But he is still one of the more valuable pieces to this franchise (his roll your eyes newfound manlove for Reggie aside). He is still known as a hard worker, and there is basically no reason whatsoever to suppose that he doesn't want to be back out there. Sit back and settle in with the real Kevin and you will find that he is not the villain here -- it is the hype and the hypers who have created your disappointment. Kevin himself is just another guy doing his best.
Kevin is Kevin. Just as Peja was Peja. Neither ever was or ever will be "the man" on a good NBA team. But that doesn't work for a jocker. No a jocker has to celebrate and exaggerate and worship and elevate these guys to ridiculous heights because they like them, have the hots for them, need them to be great to support their hopes for the Kings, just have crappy basketball acumen or whatever. And of course people who are only casual followers or just like to be part of something get swept up along. And then it always comes to this point -- reality sets in. They are a good player, not a great one. They have warts. They get injured, don't play enough defense, can't lead. And the pattern is always the same -- the very same people who were all over the guy's jock are the first to turn around with bitter recriminations, basically because they are disappointed. They were promised a shiny new toy that could do everything, and they got an average one from Wal Mart instead. And its still a pretty good toy, but its not what they expected and so it all looks like a lump of coal to them.
Kevin is Kevin. Kevin has always been Kevin. He is a very good scorer learning what it means to have NBA defenses lock into you because you are a very good scorer. He is not a good defender, and his game is not suited to making other guys better. He is showing himself to be a bit injury prone, perhaps not a surprise given his build and how much he likes to go to the hoop. He is not a natural leader. He is not one of the great ones. But he is a very good scorer at a position that normally calls for one, and an upper echelon player at his position -- one of the few Kings who can say that. I have sat here and argued for "real Kevin" versus fantasy Kevin for years now. I am hardly going to stop now. And yet I am not disappointed. When you just take a player for what he is, rather than what you wish he could be, then him being what he is is not a disappointment. This is Kevin. For the longest time nobody wanted to admit to it, but he has warts. But he is still one of the more valuable pieces to this franchise (his roll your eyes newfound manlove for Reggie aside). He is still known as a hard worker, and there is basically no reason whatsoever to suppose that he doesn't want to be back out there. Sit back and settle in with the real Kevin and you will find that he is not the villain here -- it is the hype and the hypers who have created your disappointment. Kevin himself is just another guy doing his best.
Kevin reminds me of a Manu Ginibol, but San Antonio doesnt win with just Manu, they have anotehr big me superstar named Tim Duncan, and another offensive threat with Tony Parker. Kings have the Manu, they hopefully will get a Duncan with Spencer (jk) lol, bu in hte draft hopefully they get a y Parker or Duncan in draft, and the otehr missing piece in the FA, cause we definately got the role players, we jt need the superstars.
I agree with VF21 on this one. Very fair assessment. Considering where we drafted him and how little was expected of Kevin, I've been quite pleased with his development as a player, not disappointed.
He's not perfect and certainly not a superstar, but I'm glad he's on the Kings and think he's a nice piece to have going forward.
He's not perfect and certainly not a superstar, but I'm glad he's on the Kings and think he's a nice piece to have going forward.
It's too bad. Sometimes ankle sprains can be worse than breaks. He probably tried to come back too soon because he wanted to help rescue the ship. He's better off going into emergency life raft for a month, getting the ankle totally healed, and start again. Really, it's not like the team is dependent upon him to win the championship or anything.
I find it amusing that some would now bash him because he's injured. I wonder where those people will be when he's back making 20+ pts/game off a high percentage...
I find it amusing that some would now bash him because he's injured. I wonder where those people will be when he's back making 20+ pts/game off a high percentage...