Kevin Love To Kings?

Capt. Factorial said:
Yeah, Boston isn't dumping Rondo if they can trade for Love. And if Love wants to go to Boston, the Celtics can make a heck of an offer, largely because they have a ton of future first round draft picks. For instance: Sullinger, Jeff Green, Keith Bogans (unguaranteed, to match salary, Minny can cut him), the #6 this year, the Clippers' #1 next year, and Boston's #1 next year. That's three first-round picks, all either this year or next. Minny can't possibly turn that down, right?

The amazing thing is that three first-round picks doesn't even hurt Boston. The Celtics would still have the #17 this year, Philly's #1 next year (protected 1-14, otherwise two second rounders), and two more future firsts from Brooklyn on top of all of their own picks from 2016 forward.

To steal from Bill Simmons only because it seems so appropriate here - who says no?
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now thats the way you do it. acquire a buttload of assets then deal.
 
Kingster said:
Couldn't disagree more. He's nowhere close to Conley in ability
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Never said they are the same.. I am talking about ability wise if Chalmers would be given more freedom he could become a Conley guy stat wise. Defensively they could be close, but I know they don't play like one another. But I do think he could have the same effect on a team which a Mike Conley has.
 
Seems the Love to Boston talk has heated up considerably. He's touring the city with Rondo and his agent apparently.
 
Dime Dropper said:
I wouldn't trust anything Amico says. Especially considering this tidbit in the same link:
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Ah, yeah, thanks. Should have known especially with Amico's history. That Darren Wolfson update wasn't there when I first saw the post, though.

But there's more! According to our own Jason Jones, at least:

4:09pm: The Kings have indeed made calls about Love, tweets Jason Jones of The Sacramento Bee.
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Maybe the Kings have "made calls" but the two "have yet to speak," because the Wolves send PDA straight to voicemail!
 
My guess? It's no coincidence that "reports" are emerging of the Kings continuing their pursuit of another high profile player on the same day that Boogie disappointingly did not make the All-NBA team. Might cheer the big guy up a little bit ;)
 
You don't pass up a frontcourt with the firepower of Gay, Love and Cousins just because none of them are top notch defenders. That's just insane.
 
Nikolizzle said:
You don't pass up a frontcourt with the firepower of Gay, Love and Cousins just because none of them are top notch defenders. That's just insane.
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Pretty much this, I'm sure the Twolves are kicking themselves for not having the balls to try and make a deal like this when Love was actually in the picture. Instead they decided to sit on Rubio and all the other lottery picks they have had and look where it got them.
 
Amico doesn't know squat. I'll save everyone the trouble. We are not getting Love, Rondo or any other big time player via trade or FA. and Depending on if Gay opts out, they will lose either IT or Gay, or both possibly..unless the overpay for IT. Sorry, but such is the reality of the Kings.
 
Amico may not be great, but Jason Jones confirmed the calls. Jones doesn't break news, because he would begin to lose access to the Kings that he currently has, but I think it should be noted when he confirms or denies a report. Anyways, we should expect the Kings to be making calls.

As for taking the lead in the KLove sweepstakes, that's obviously speculation and could have been true at any point in the past. So all of this is just manufactured headlines and empty statements. But it did it's job. Got the talk going and Amico's name in the news.
 
I'm not sure why we should take the word of a Cleveland reporter - a Cleveland reporter who is well known for throwing stuff against the wall, no less - over our own lying eyes.

This is the way my lying eyes see it: Our best offer is essentially #8 + Ben. Meanwhile Love is conspicuously touring around Boston, who can offer not only the #6 this year, but also have managed to stockpile a total of at least NINE first-round picks over the next five years (ten if Philly makes the playoffs next year) and have good players/prospects in Jeff Green, Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk (whom the T'Wolves were reportedly high on in the draft) to add to the package. So Boston can offer a way better package than we can. And with Rondo on board, they can probably even get Love to agree to an extension, which means their willingness to put together a real solid offer goes way up. Boston can put together a much better package, Boston (like before the Garnett/Allen trades) doesn't want to be in rebuild mode, Kevin Love wants to be in Boston...

So yeah, we're in the lead. Sure. Anybody got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell me? I'm looking to buy!
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I'm not sure why we should take the word of a Cleveland reporter - a Cleveland reporter who is well known for throwing stuff against the wall, no less - over our own lying eyes.

This is the way my lying eyes see it: Our best offer is essentially #8 + Ben. Meanwhile Love is conspicuously touring around Boston, who can offer not only the #6 this year, but also have managed to stockpile a total of at least NINE first-round picks over the next five years (ten if Philly makes the playoffs next year) and have good players/prospects in Jeff Green, Jared Sullinger and Kelly Olynyk (whom the T'Wolves were reportedly high on in the draft) to add to the package. So Boston can offer a way better package than we can. And with Rondo on board, they can probably even get Love to agree to an extension, which means their willingness to put together a real solid offer goes way up. Boston can put together a much better package, Boston (like before the Garnett/Allen trades) doesn't want to be in rebuild mode, Kevin Love wants to be in Boston...

So yeah, we're in the lead. Sure. Anybody got some oceanfront property in Arizona to sell me? I'm looking to buy!
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I mean, sure - They have the assets to give, granted. But let's say they give up the assets and pair Rondo/Love, is that enough to get them to the playoffs next year? Maybe, but i'd wager it'd be a struggle.

And if they don't make the playoffs next year, or bow out early, they risk losing Love, along with whatever prospects and draft picks they sent for him. Same deal we have.

Do you really think the Boston FO be willing to blow up all of the work they've done in the past year on a chance of MAYBE making the playoffs? And let's be real here - Even with Love, they aren't getting past Miami and Indy, or even possibly Brooklyn and New York. Sure, what we can offer isn't as good on paper as Boston, but we'd be willing to give up anything for him.

There's a chance they are as well (Hell, a good chance) but it isn't out of the realm of possibility that the Kings are the current front-runners. Maybe the Minnesota FO really covets Ben?
 
Nikolizzle said:
I mean, sure - They have the assets to give, granted. But let's say they give up the assets and pair Rondo/Love, is that enough to get them to the playoffs next year? Maybe, but i'd wager it'd be a struggle.
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Yes, I believe that is enough to make the playoffs. Remember that even if Boston ponies up three first rounders to get Love, they'd still have six over the next five years and could throw a few more into deals to get more players. Not only that, but if they give up three first-rounders, they probably get to keep Green. Rondo/Love/Green/Bass/fill in with vets is easily good enough to get into the playoffs in the East next year.

And if they don't make the playoffs next year, or bow out early, they risk losing Love, along with whatever prospects and draft picks they sent for him. Same deal we have.
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The thinking is that Love would likely be willing to sign an extension in Boston next to Rondo. If not, then you're right, Boston's deal gets smaller and maybe we've got a chance to come close to it. My reading of the tea leaves (and that's all it is) says Love would sign an extension in Boston as a condition of the trade, that's why Boston's offer out paces us.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Yes, I believe that is enough to make the playoffs. Remember that even if Boston ponies up three first rounders to get Love, they'd still have six over the next five years and could throw a few more into deals to get more players. Not only that, but if they give up three first-rounders, they probably get to keep Green. Rondo/Love/Green/Bass/fill in with vets is easily good enough to get into the playoffs in the East next year.

The thinking is that Love would likely be willing to sign an extension in Boston next to Rondo. If not, then you're right, Boston's deal gets smaller and maybe we've got a chance to come close to it. My reading of the tea leaves (and that's all it is) says Love would sign an extension in Boston as a condition of the trade, that's why Boston's offer out paces us.
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Fair enough. Personally I wouldn't have thought it would be enough to get them there, but if it is, then you're right.
 
All that will happen is our "calls" will get a big market team all a flutter and they will jump in and complete the deal.

I'm honestly worried about rudy leaving I know he's not universally popular but who else is gonna entertain the kings of his ability in FA. I'll take a stab at no one.
 
Sounds like our chances for Love are about the same odds as our getting the No. 1 pick in this draft. But PDA is pushing the issue and I think that is nothing but good. Keep shaking the tree and something is gonna fall out.
 
We have 0.0% chance they will send him east, and we don't have the anything to offer that gets you an all star. And the Bulls just offered one of Gibson, Butler, and picks
 
randymoss1881 said:
We have 0.0% chance they will send him east, and we don't have the anything to offer that gets you an all star. And the Bulls just offered one of Gibson, Butler, and picks
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We have DMC. Sign Love to a reasonable long-term contract and trade him to the Kings for DMC. People may not like it, but we certainly do have something that gets you an All-Star.
 
kupman said:
We have DMC. Sign Love to a reasonable long-term contract and trade him to the Kings for DMC. People may not like it, but we certainly do have something that gets you an All-Star.
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I think the chance of us getting Love is greater than the chance of us losing DMC. I would not trade DMC, period (unless it is part of a deal for megastar Lebron/Durant type talent), and I don't think Vivek would either. I would rather have DMC than Love personally. I don't even like Love but I will learn to love him if he becomes a King by chance.

I don't think anyone should underestimate Vivek's ability to pull off the improbable.
 
kupman said:
We have DMC. Sign Love to a reasonable long-term contract and trade him to the Kings for DMC. People may not like it, but we certainly do have something that gets you an All-Star.
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Don't tell me you would trade DMC for Love even if he was signed for 4 more years.
 
kupman said:
We have DMC. Sign Love to a reasonable long-term contract and trade him to the Kings for DMC. People may not like it, but we certainly do have something that gets you an All-Star.
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The T'wolves can't just sign Love to a contract (much less a reasonable one) on a whim. That's the whole reason they're in this situation in the first place - because Love has made it known that he won't re-sign in Minny and they'll lose him at the end of the season if they don't trade him. Believe me, if Minnesota could simply "sign Love to a reasonable long-term contract" then he'd be a Timberwolf for life.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
The T'wolves can't just sign Love to a contract (much less a reasonable one) on a whim. That's the whole reason they're in this situation in the first place - because Love has made it known that he won't re-sign in Minny and they'll lose him at the end of the season if they don't trade him. Believe me, if Minnesota could simply "sign Love to a reasonable long-term contract" then he'd be a Timberwolf for life.
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What I meant was they sign Love to a contract with the stipulation that it is his ticket out of Minny.
 
We don't have the assets to trade for Love (unless they get really desperate). It would have to be a three team deal, and we would most likely have to send out Gay. I think Charlotte could potentially be a team who is interested in Gay. They have a good post center (like Cousins) who can take the load off a Gay and help him be the efficient player he was here. Also, I think they are growing tired of Gilchrist and his lack of development in his jumpshot. Maybe a deal centered around this would work...

Kings Get
Love

Kings Give
Gay
McLemore
#8
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Wolves Get
Gilchrist
Zeller
Biyombo
McLemore
#8

Wolves Give
Love
Brewer
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Bobcats Get
Gay
Brewer

Bobcats Give
Gilchrist
Zeller
Biyombo
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Granted, this trade leaves us very bare everywhere else.
 
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