Kevin Love To Kings?

Its really not that risky, as as many superstar heavy teams have shown, once you have the big guns in place, you don't need anything else but roleplayers.

You can "rebuild with youth" forever, as we have been doing, forever. At some point you have to make the same stab the great teams do, abandon that process, and go all in for a winning squad.

I agree you can't rebuild forever. Guess my main concern are two of the key pieces of the proposed win now group can walk after next year. Meaning, we HAVE to win now or lots of people start losing their jobs very quickly.

I suppose the new formula is to have a few great players and place holders at other positions. I'm not against going after Love. Just have to learn to adjust to not having a complete team.
 
Way better off going after Al Horford who will actually help you win instead of putting up cool numbers.

If Atlanta is interested I sign off on that trade all day they would have the #15 & #8 picks in this years draft and that could be tempting for them of course the numbers would have to work but it's not an impossible thing to work with.
 
Minnesota would probably prefer a bunch of expiring/8th pick/ and will probably add one of JT or Landry.
So if this happens, my take is KLove for JT/Outlaw/Terry/Acy/8th pick.

We end up with:

C - DMC/Evans
PF - Love/Landry
SF - Gay/Williams
SG - Ben
PG - Ray

Add some vets (i.e. Andre Miller at PG or at best we get to sign Thabo) and boom..... PLAYOFFS BABY!

If PDA somehow manages to turn JT/enders/8th overall pick for Kevin Love, there will probably be parades in downtown in his honor. In that scenario, we're literally giving up a nothing sandwich (JT's sizeable contract + Travis Outlaw + guy who'll probably never play again with JT's utility big man skills, Acy's beard, and 8th pick sandwiched in between).
 
I'm happy they're at least asking the question and throwing in.

There's just no way we would present the best offer to the wolves. So it's fairly fruitless.
 
I'm happy they're at least asking the question and throwing in.

There's just no way we would present the best offer to the wolves. So it's fairly fruitless.

What then, in your opinion, would be an example of a better offer offered to the Wolves for what currently amounts to a one year rental?
 
Well just off the top of my head the Suns who are said to be very interested have three first rounders in a relatively deep draft and maybe Gerald Green or Plumlee both coming off nice seasons.

just musing really, just don't think Ben and the 8 will be the best deal out there.
 
I don't get how people aren't willing to give BMac up to get Love. Yes BMac is young with promise, but people KLove is an allstar.

You don't want to lose him after a year? Ok, I get it. On talent tho it's a no brainer.
 
id add to that to get this done. Cuz needs a running mate and we need to make a positive move aimed at winning now. If love walks at least we tried and really as others have mentioned we are on the clock with boogie. Another year of rebuilding is not going to do us a great amount and we need to make a concerted effort. I feel we could have something special with Love and Boogie (ala laimbeer and mahorn without the rep or outright physicality) and that, that in itself could be enough to keep Love here. Cuz, Love, Rudy is our own legit 3 headed snake.
 
What then, in your opinion, would be an example of a better offer offered to the Wolves for what currently amounts to a one year rental?

Boston can offer the #6, expiring, and choice of Avery Bradley/Sullinger/Olynyk, and future #1 (if necessary). And Boston don't have to worry about Love leaving.

Lakers can offer the #7, room to absorb salary, and future #1. Lakers, too, don't have to worry about Love leaving.
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I like the aggression but realistically, I don't think we have the trade currency to get it done. If we are going after Love, does that mean we don't expect Rudy back next season?
 
Boston can offer the #6, expiring, and choice of Avery Bradley/Sullinger/Olynyk, and future #1 (if necessary). And Boston don't have to worry about Love leaving.

Lakers can offer the #7, room to absorb salary, and future #1. Lakers, too, don't have to worry about Love leaving.
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The thing about both those teams is that they don't have to trade for Love to acquire him, thus making it less likely that they even pull the trigger. Why give up a bunch of assets for a guy when you can have him one year later with assets still in hand?
 
They're not patient, and they don't need to be, they're not going to worry about ditching a lottery pick when they're in the running for every top free agent every single year for the rest of time.
 
Without an accurate trade machine to play with, and I don't feel like doing the math ...

If Gay opts out, and IT isn't kept, the Kings could add some other incentives to their offer. The Wovles don't have much in terms of bad contracts, but if they wanted to dump Budinger, Brewer, Martin, etc... We could take some of those longer term deals on if we include our capspace AND our enders (Dwill / Terry). Just a thought.

Then the question becomes, is all of this trade talk worth it without Rudy Gay in the mix? Is DMC and Love, essentially alone, enough to make the Kings good enough to convince Love to stay past this season? I'm leaning towards no.
 
Its nice to see the Headline "Kings interested in Love" on NBA.con and all the other NBA blog sites. Now whether it has any chance of happening or not is another issue. The article does stress the point that the Kings will make the trade without assurance of a new contract. Now that ladies and gentleman would be a roll of the dice. If Pete and crew do that deal the Kings better make the playoffs. What if they do trade for Love and Gay opts in? is that almost 35 millon in ending contracts next season??? That is a crazy number right there.
 
Its nice to see the Headline "Kings interested in Love" on NBA.con and all the other NBA blog sites. Now whether it has any chance of happening or not is another issue. The article does stress the point that the Kings will make the trade without assurance of a new contract. Now that ladies and gentleman would be a roll of the dice. If Pete and crew do that deal the Kings better make the playoffs. What if they do trade for Love and Gay opts in? is that almost 35 millon in ending contracts next season??? That is a crazy number right there.

IF there's anything my years of history class in high school and university have taught me, it's that kings are always interested in love.
 
hm. interesting development that the kings are actively making a play for kevin love. it's certainly got an NBA 2k14 kinda ring to it, but i'm at a loss for what to think of how that would work, practically speaking...

alongside demarcus cousins, love essentially becomes the most expensive stretch-4 in history, albeit one of the most effective stretch-4's in history with a lethal ability to dominate the boards. the kings would rarely lose the rebounding battle with a frontcourt rotation that features cousins, love, and reggie evans, but defense down low would remain a glaring issue. all of a sudden the onus is on big cuz to develop further and faster on the defensive end. he's certainly made strides already in that department, but we all know there's a much shorter ceiling on cousins' defensive potential than what we expect from his offensive game in years to come...

beyond that, how does rudy gay figure into this plan, considering he's another high usage, ball dominant talent without much defensive presence to throw on the pile with cousins and love? and that's before we even get to isaiah thomas, who is yet another high usage, ball dominant talent without much defensive presence. as always, there's only one ball, and each of those four players will be fighting to own it...

i'm really not sure how bringing love to sacramento works on either end of the court, but i suppose there is a vision for this sorta thing; if rudy opts in, and if the kings re-sign thomas, IT eventually has to revert to his role as a sixth man, otherwise it's just fantasy basketball in the starting unit without the benefit of maximizing the abilities of your core talents. of course, if rudy gay opts out and signs elsewhere in the offseason, then i roll the dice with cousins/love/thomas, and see what happens. otherwise, there is a legitimate pathway to add complementary role players to such a trio by trading rudy gay's expiring deal before the deadline next season...

there's nothing wrong with swinging for the fences, but if the experiment fails spectacularly (and there are a great many reasons to believe that it would--all offense, zero defense being chief among them), then you've just rented kevin love for a season and mortgaged your future in the process (a tremendously risky gambit if, like me, you believe that the clock is ticking on demarcus cousins' patience with this franchise). even if the experiment manages to succeed wildly, there is still no guarantee that kevin love re-signs with the kings, and in either instance you'd better hope and pray that one of the other impact free agents of the 2015 class is willing to sign here instead. otherwise, i'd expect cousins to demand a trade before too long. what incentive does he have to stay in sacramento if the kings can't hold onto a worthy second star to help catapult DMC into the playoff conversation?
 
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it could go epically well or epically disastrous. love and gay if resigned will take up the rest of the capspace. they talk about defense yet but no signs of it. one thing is for sure, the gerbil loves offense.

mortgage the future with k love possibly walking. that would really set the franchise back if that were to happen.
 
The way I look at it this. If we get Love, we may be able to get the 8th seed in the playoffs and may be able to convince him to sign here, with the new arena and the fan support, he may get won over. On the other hand if we get him and he doesn't want to resign, then we can do a sign and trade with him and get some good players for him. It's better then waiting around for draft picks to develop, I would rather win now, I like the aggressive approach of our GM and ownership.
 
The way I look at it this. If we get Love, we may be able to get the 8th seed in the playoffs and may be able to convince him to sign here, with the new arena and the fan support, he may get won over. On the other hand if we get him and he doesn't want to resign, then we can do a sign and trade with him and get some good players for him. It's better then waiting around for draft picks to develop, I would rather win now, I like the aggressive approach of our GM and ownership.

or he could just sign like dwight did and leave us with nothing
 
or he could just sign like dwight did and leave us with nothing

Yeah, he could. But if you're going to use past player movement as an indicator, how many players re-signed or facilitated a sign and trade vs Dwight? The numbers are HEAVILY skewed towards the latter examples. Dwight leaving 30 million on the table was a big shock. Could Love do the same? Obviously, but that's not the likely scenario once you hold bird rights.
 
I agree you can't rebuild forever. Guess my main concern are two of the key pieces of the proposed win now group can walk after next year. Meaning, we HAVE to win now or lots of people start losing their jobs very quickly.

I suppose the new formula is to have a few great players and place holders at other positions. I'm not against going after Love. Just have to learn to adjust to not having a complete team.


If they walk away it will probably be a sign and trade. We would get assets in return. At least with Love. With Gay I am not sure how they will approach it.
 
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it could go epically well or epically disastrous. love and gay if resigned will take up the rest of the capspace. they talk about defense yet but no signs of it. one thing is for sure, the gerbil loves offense.

mortgage the future with k love possibly walking. that would really set the franchise back if that were to happen.


One #8 pick is not mortgaging the future. Not to mention I assume we would get rid of a few contracts we don't want in the process which is good. If we got rid of McLemore it's not like we couldn't find a SG that averages 10ppg on 38% shooting. We can probably get a D-Leaguer who could do better than that.
 
I think this notice by the Kings that they are interested in a possible one-year rental of Love is beginning to reek of desperation, or maybe of just action for action's sake. If you're going to take a risk, take it on a complementary All Star piece like a Horford, not another name player who is not going to defensively complement Cousins or the team. I could easily see a Love acquisiton for the Bulls working out: Noah & Love makes abundant sense. Not Cousins and Love.

I'm also cautious about how much better Love would make the offense. After the addition of Gay last year, and experiencing the one-pass-iso offense, I don't have much confidence that Love would make the offensive whole that much greater. It could be just adding another guy in the queue who is going to be taking his turn in the one-pass-iso offense.
 
The thing about both those teams is that they don't have to trade for Love to acquire him, thus making it less likely that they even pull the trigger. Why give up a bunch of assets for a guy when you can have him one year later with assets still in hand?


Your own statement basically contradicted yourself. There is only ONE Kevin Love, how could BOTH the Lakers AND the Celtics get him at the same time?

Fact is, even the Lakers and Celtics are not sure bet to sign Love. Throw in Chicago, Philly, New York, etc; and the truth is no one team can say they will sign him for sure.
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One #8 pick is not mortgaging the future. Not to mention I assume we would get rid of a few contracts we don't want in the process which is good. If we got rid of McLemore it's not like we couldn't find a SG that averages 10ppg on 38% shooting. We can probably get a D-Leaguer who could do better than that.

he was a rookie. i think he still has a lot of potential. players like him & jimmer need other players to help create for them. the kings fail miserably to realize this. this is magnified when you have a micro pizza shoot first boy looking for his and not others.

i don't think love is a good fit and it really reeks of desperation like the brooklyn nets trying to make a splash. stack up a whole lotta big names and hope that it works. i'm all for it if we're dumping contracts like landry, d will in the process... the problem is, we're going to give up last years 1st, this years first, expiring and maybe other assets to acquire a rental. if and when that rental decides to walk, yes we can sign and trade. look what that netted us last year. good ol greivis.

traded capspace & 2 2nd rd picks for mbah moute which turned out to be dwill
signed landry to 4 yr 6.75m contract
drafted ben (should have taken steven adams)
drafted ray
traded for rudy
cut jimmer
s&t reke for greivis
signed a gang of 10 day contracts

am i missing anything else?
 
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