Keon Ellis

kingsfan101 said:
Unfortunately, I fear that keon might be attached as an asset to get us a 4.

No, I'm not advocating it. However, his and our situation (unless there is some part of CBA applicable here that I don't understand) makes such a transaction fairly plausible.

Say Perry finds it tough to move DDR by himself. For what he brings, I think his salary is very reasonable. In any case, we might assume that Scott tried, but failed.

However, during the season, when a team trying to take a leap needs a player like DDR who can score in half court, and gets to add Ellis, a young player with huge upside, they might be willing to give up significant assets to acquire him. Wonder if that was part of the reason for not picking his option and signing him to a long term deal this year, which would have been financially good for us, and provided him security as well.

For us, it might give us a proper 4 we seem to covet. It will allow Keegan to move to 3, improve the team size, and clear some logjam at the guard position.

Now, it's a poor way to clear the logjam at the guard position by trading away your best guard. However, if we want a major player at 4, we will need to give up something significant. Keon and Keegan are our two best young players. Keegan is untouchable due to his size. As good as Keon has been, his minutes, and by extension his effectiveness, will be limited by our roster.
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I'd rather just sign a 4.
Boucher, Precious, Bol Bol, Kai Jones, JT Thor are just some of them available to sign.
 
kingsfan101 said:
Unfortunately, I fear that keon might be attached as an asset to get us a 4.

No, I'm not advocating it. However, his and our situation (unless there is some part of CBA applicable here that I don't understand) makes such a transaction fairly plausible.

Say Perry finds it tough to move DDR by himself. For what he brings, I think his salary is very reasonable. In any case, we might assume that Scott tried, but failed.

However, during the season, when a team trying to take a leap needs a player like DDR who can score in half court, and gets to add Ellis, a young player with huge upside, they might be willing to give up significant assets to acquire him. Wonder if that was part of the reason for not picking his option and signing him to a long term deal this year, which would have been financially good for us, and provided him security as well.

For us, it might give us a proper 4 we seem to covet. It will allow Keegan to move to 3, improve the team size, and clear some logjam at the guard position.

Now, it's a poor way to clear the logjam at the guard position by trading away your best guard. However, if we want a major player at 4, we will need to give up something significant. Keon and Keegan are our two best young players. Keegan is untouchable due to his size. As good as Keon has been, his minutes, and by extension his effectiveness, will be limited by our roster.
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For this team all options have to be on the table but I don't think this is Plan A or even Plans C through E.

The Schröder deal hard capped us at the apron. I think that's why we kept Keon at his price this year. We don't have much room under the apron as is and still have many moves to make. And moving Keon at a discount while hard capped means we'd likely be settling for less than full value even with Deebo included.

It seems all reports are Keon and the organization and Keon's agent have a stellar relationship. And for all his faults Vivek seems like a "family guy" and I have a hard time seeing him moving a hard working "kid" like Keon who came up as a homegrown product after being signed un-drafted.

Hot take territory: a winning organization might be aggressively working the dials on Keon right now. The Kings never would.
 
The_Jamal said:
I'd rather just see what IJ can do than screw around with any of those names.

Boucher is good, but Boucher isn't turning this into a 50 win team. Maybe a 42 win team to a 43-44 win team.
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Boucher is also surprisingly old so not signing him would be another long term move.
 
The_Jamal said:
I'd rather just see what IJ can do than screw around with any of those names.

Boucher is good, but Boucher isn't turning this into a 50 win team. Maybe a 42 win team to a 43-44 win team.
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Agree on most. The name I like out of that is Precious. He plays a physical brand of basketball and is a good insurance piece in the front court. I really don't want to see Eubanks step on the court. Precious/Maxime/Jones/Sabonis/Keegan would soak up all the 4-5 minutes, and hopefully Keegan could play some 3 in bigger lineups.
 
BuddyBuckets said:
I really don't want to see Eubanks step on the court.
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Eubanks is here to be a stop gap until Maxime is ready. Maybe 8mpg type of guy. He is a big with some court vision and a solid if unspectacular replacement for what Domas brings. Obviously he is not a guy you bank your franchise around but the shade he is getting as backup center is something else.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Eubanks is here to be a stop gap until Maxime is ready. Maybe 8mpg type of guy. He is a big with some court vision and a solid if unspectacular replacement for what Domas brings. Obviously he is not a guy you bank your franchise around but the shade he is getting as backup center is something else.
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I don't know if it's really shade at Eubanks. He's just kind of "there". He's clearly an NBA talent, but he's like the eternal 10th man on a team. There's no hope for upside with him, like we want with Maxime.
 
The_Jamal said:
I don't know if it's really shade at Eubanks. He's just kind of "there". He's clearly an NBA talent, but he's like the eternal 10th man on a team. There's no hope for upside with him, like we want with Maxime.
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Yeah - the upside is that he might help you win a few games we might lose because of poor play while Domas is out, and play the same system as we do with Domas while other folks get to learn their role. I get that most folks here have already written off the season and are playing for lotto positioning.

I don't like our lineup as it stands today but I'm not entering this year counting losses as victories.
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1947744475994067167
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Interesting quotes from the Kings. Oklahoma City is running everything back? Lord help the rest of the league.

<On adding Dennis Schröder: “Last year, after trading De’Aaron (Fox), we saw that our offense needed more ballhandling. We’ve got scorers and passers, but guys to get into our stuff was something we were lacking. That’s what Dennis will give us, along with his own scoring and playmaking too,” a Kings coach said.>

Keon Ellis is still learning and improving on ball-handling skills, in my estimation.

<"Keeping Isaac Jones was a key for us too. He’s got so much talent and he plays so hard. He’ll be hard to keep off the floor,” a Kings front office executive said.>
 
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Keegan's situation is scary. He should have been extended already. The fact that they are "hopeful" about keeping him here long term doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

This could also be one issue with gutting the team. Keegan has spent 3 years being the glue guy, taking on unsung tasks. The next season will likely be more of the same. Dumping the vets will turn this into his team. Even if he is ready for that role, is he willing to spend few more years of rebuild, while other members of his class enjoy deep playoff runs?

Of course, the other side could also be true. How long will he willingly sacrifice his game for shoot first vets to play for a play-in team. Hope the front office and his team are on the same page.
 
kingsfan101 said:
Keegan's situation is scary. He should have been extended already. The fact that they are "hopeful" about keeping him here long term doesn't inspire a lot of confidence.

This could also be one issue with gutting the team. Keegan has spent 3 years being the glue guy, taking on unsung tasks. The next season will likely be more of the same. Dumping the vets will turn this into his team. Even if he is ready for that role, is he willing to spend few more years of rebuild, while other members of his class enjoy deep playoff runs?

Of course, the other side could also be true. How long will he willingly sacrifice his game for shoot first vets to play for a play-in team. Hope the front office and his team are on the same page.
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Same with Keon I don’t know why some think he’ll resign while playing 20mpg when he can go somewhere else and get more minutes and possibly more money… oh wait he shares agents with Schroeder smh
 
SLAB said:
Keegan isn’t willingly sacrificing his game, nor will any team ever be HIS team. I’d put all the money I’ve ever seen on that.
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You’re not going out on a limb here. There’s a lot of teams where it’s clearly not one player’s team, which includes players a lot better than Keegan Murray.

FWIW, I’ve always loathed that positioning anyway, as if one player has ever won anything. It takes a “team” to win thus it’s really the core players team in reality.

For example, as great as he has been, Steph Curry wouldn’t have a single ring w/o Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala, Kevin Durant, and several others. Misguided fans can label the Warriors as “Steph’s team” all they wish, but the truth is it was a core of players that kept the Warriors in contention all those years and winning titles.

Circling back to Keegan, he’s good enough to be among a core of players that consistently contends for titles. It just isn’t the core the KINGS have had the past few years, just as it wasn’t for Tyrese Haliburton while he was here. They couldn’t even qualify for the postseason back then and were a 30 win team.
 
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SLAB said:
Keegan isn’t willingly sacrificing his game, nor will any team ever be HIS team. I’d put all the money I’ve ever seen on that.
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Agreed, there is nothing to suggest that Keegan is going to break out at any point. He does not have the offensive skill set to do so no matter how hard people squint. I would hope he can get his shooting %s up, but beyond that, you're not going to see a big increase in output.

I'd still like to retain him as he's a wing who plays defense and can, at times, shoot the ball. But the idea of him being a star, that ship has long sailed, in my view.
 
Tetsujin said:
I also wonder if Jabari Smith Jr taking a deal so far below what is generally market value for 3rd overall picks threw a wrench into the Keegan extension negotiations.
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That hasn't slipped past me either. All the other key extensions signed thus far have been for one max or the other I believe? I don't think Benn or Sharpe or anyone else who is in that next tier of this draft class outside the top 3 and Jalen Williams who got a max have made the news yet?
 
Tetsujin said:
I also wonder if Jabari Smith Jr taking a deal so far below what is generally market value for 3rd overall picks threw a wrench into the Keegan extension negotiations.
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Yep, things are getting strange around the NBA. We would almost never see a team willingly give up rookie options like teams have with players such as LaRavia. With the apron stuff teams might be done with just willy nilly overpaying because of the classic "you have to pay someone" thing. Kuminga would have been maxed out the moment it was able to 10 years ago, lol. This really does feel like the NBA is positioning itself into some kind of "forced" expansion.
 
Dime Dropper said:
I'd still like to retain him as he's a wing who plays defense and can, at times, shoot the ball. But the idea of him being a star, that ship has long sailed, in my view.
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Who predicted that he’d ever be a “star”?

How about just being a key component amongst a really good core of 6-8 players?

Every playoff contending team has a player like him among their core. A solid player that can do a bit of most everything, on both sides of the floor.

His deep shooting wasn’t what everyone expected last season, but he’s still a very capable shooter who also happens to be a very solid defender. The combination of those two skills in one player are highly coveted. Especially for a 6-8, 6-9 wing.

The KINGS need more of those types of players, not less of them. Star or not.
 
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