Does seem like a reasonable assumption.
"Hey, we are going to pick up your option, but in return, in Feb, we will give you 4-5 mil more per season than you would have gotten."
Type of handshake deal
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Does seem like a reasonable assumption.
"Hey, we are going to pick up your option, but in return, in Feb, we will give you 4-5 mil more per season than you would have gotten."
Type of handshake deal
If we give him 18.5 which is the max extension supposedly, that more than makes up for not getting 14 this year no? That's 16 over 4 years before factoring in the raises. And it's still a bargain. Plus it curries favor with his agent and all that. Who also reps Keegan?
Joshyjosh31
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He might get 20mpg here behind Lavine, Carter, Derozan, and Schroeder that’s assuming we trade monk for a wing. Why would he resign here if it’s been clear to him he’s not valued he’s gonna test free agency and see if he could get the same offer or more from a team that would play him
Keith, Bro...it's right in black and white in the CBA itself, Article VII, Section 7, (a), 1, (i):
He didn't sign the deal until 2-9-24, don't see how you can extend before 2-9-26.
sactowndog
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Personally I trust you more than our previous 3 GM’s.
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Monte
Vlade.
I'm guessing you are right and Keith didn't realize he was coming off a 2-way, but is it possible that for the same reason the 2-way counts towards Bird rights it grandfathers into the original signing date?
I mean probably, certainly not? But maybe there are other bylaws around 2-ways?
Yeah, maybe that's the case. Seems odd, but I don't think I care enough to really parse the language in the CBA to decide whether the original two-way actually counts as part of the NBA deal signed in Feb.
iowamcnabb
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serbiangoat
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I like Keon as a player but giving these types of 3 and D players anything over 10-12m per is a suicidal move unless they have offensive talent or are also absurdly strong where they can defend three or 4 positions (Dort), there is so many 3 and D players nowadays the best move is to get them on rookie deals use them and find the next one (e.g Jake Laravia type deal or draft one/pick up undrafted/2nd round).
Ellis is marginally better than Hayword Highsmith who is making like 5mil per.
Ellis is marginally better than Hayword Highsmith who is making like 5mil per.
I agree with the contract deal but Highsmith had like a 0.1 VORP compared to Keon's 1.9. That's a pretty substantial difference in impact.
Keon's offensive efficiency is elite amongst 3&D players. I'd like to see what it could be with an uptick in usage. He really needs to go into this season with the mindset that he needs to start ripping threes like the 2nd best shooter on the team should be doing.
Padrino
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This kind of stuff drives me crazy. One of these players is a $20 million/year impact player, and the other is... not.
Hayward Highsmith
WS: 3.3
VORP: 0.1
BPM: -1.9
VPM: -0.7
DARKO: -0.1
LEBRON: -1.1
2Y RAPTOR: -0.4
Keon Ellis
WS: 5.0
VORP: 1.9
BPM: 1.9
VPM: 1.5
DARKO: 0.9
LEBRON: 0.7
2Y RAPTOR: 3.1
People are really really really underestimating how good Keon has been the last few years. Let's hope the 18mil/season is good enough to sign the extension and not test ufa.
Which makes this offseason so perplexing. If you land Kuminga, fine, I can understand the gamble on the team control aspect of Keon. If you dont, we simply just got worse and now no longer have team control on one of our best players.
Padrino
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The criticisms that Kings fans leveled at Monte over the years were that he's not enough of a dealmaker, can't pull off the big swing, doesn't get enough value back in trades, doesn't value size.
Well, Scott Perry just had to trade Jonas Valanciunas to make room so he could sign... Dennis Schroder, and all because he apparently couldn't extract enough value out of Malik Monk in a supposed sign-and-trade with Detroit. Over-the-hill names like Russell Westbrook don't exactly inspire much confidence, either. It's not yet looking to me like Perry is the schmoozer and dealmaker he's been hailed as.
Now, he's got plenty of off-season in front of him to get this right, but the pressure's on him to get this right. Because at the moment, all I've seen is a directionless talent bleed that indicates nothing except that he wants to put his "stamp" on this team and dump useful players who aren't his guys. Gambling with team control of Keon Ellis had better be worth it when it's all said and done.
I feel like the fact we just gave a full MLE to one of Keon and Keegan's agent's clients is a good sign but I get why we are all doom and gloom.
A lot of athletes maintain offseason residences in Florida which I assume allows them to save taxes on passive income.
Caccia
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Keon is from central Florida, closer to Orlando.
97/5=19.4 per season
IIRC, we can offer Keon a max extension of 18? And Herb obviously has more pedigree to this point than Keon.
4-60, 4-70 seems like a fair extension price. Maybe we have to pay the Kings tax and offer the full amount though
It was somewhere between 18-18.5 if we offered 4 years it averages out to slightly over 4/80 with the 8% annual increase.
NewArena
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LOL i love Keon’s energy from what I’ve seen. Seems like such a good guy - and yea, Herb deserves every bit of that money. Dude is an incredible defender and I’m pretty sure he shot over 40% from 3
iowamcnabb
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Cunningham said that Keon’s camp knew exactly what they were doing when they signed the initial deal. Said he has a golden opportunity in Sac and mentioned the agent connection with the other kings players. He didn’t come out and say it but he basically hinted at Keon/Kings being a long term partnership.
Caccia
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Music to my ears.
kingsfan101
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Unfortunately, I fear that keon might be attached as an asset to get us a 4.
No, I'm not advocating it. However, his and our situation (unless there is some part of CBA applicable here that I don't understand) makes such a transaction fairly plausible.
Say Perry finds it tough to move DDR by himself. For what he brings, I think his salary is very reasonable. In any case, we might assume that Scott tried, but failed.
However, during the season, when a team trying to take a leap needs a player like DDR who can score in half court, and gets to add Ellis, a young player with huge upside, they might be willing to give up significant assets to acquire him. Wonder if that was part of the reason for not picking his option and signing him to a long term deal this year, which would have been financially good for us, and provided him security as well.
For us, it might give us a proper 4 we seem to covet. It will allow Keegan to move to 3, improve the team size, and clear some logjam at the guard position.
Now, it's a poor way to clear the logjam at the guard position by trading away your best guard. However, if we want a major player at 4, we will need to give up something significant. Keon and Keegan are our two best young players. Keegan is untouchable due to his size. As good as Keon has been, his minutes, and by extension his effectiveness, will be limited by our roster.
No, I'm not advocating it. However, his and our situation (unless there is some part of CBA applicable here that I don't understand) makes such a transaction fairly plausible.
Say Perry finds it tough to move DDR by himself. For what he brings, I think his salary is very reasonable. In any case, we might assume that Scott tried, but failed.
However, during the season, when a team trying to take a leap needs a player like DDR who can score in half court, and gets to add Ellis, a young player with huge upside, they might be willing to give up significant assets to acquire him. Wonder if that was part of the reason for not picking his option and signing him to a long term deal this year, which would have been financially good for us, and provided him security as well.
For us, it might give us a proper 4 we seem to covet. It will allow Keegan to move to 3, improve the team size, and clear some logjam at the guard position.
Now, it's a poor way to clear the logjam at the guard position by trading away your best guard. However, if we want a major player at 4, we will need to give up something significant. Keon and Keegan are our two best young players. Keegan is untouchable due to his size. As good as Keon has been, his minutes, and by extension his effectiveness, will be limited by our roster.
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