Kenny Thomas

[OptimusRhyme]

I really like Kenny Thomas, but I would have to agree that he is too small to play Power Forward, what I suggest Adelman to do is start him anyways and play him as much as we can so we can get his trade value up, and If we don't trade him next year possibly in a package with Peja, we will have a nice small forward for us. A Peja,Thomas,Jackson package would get us an incredible player.

 

[6th]

I like Kenny....a lot, but I too am worried about him at the 4 because he is so small. I really love a front court of Brad, Brian, and Kenny though. If we traded our SF (and packaged him, if necessary) for an SG (since I'm thinking that Cat will leave for a bigger paycheck), what SG could we get?

 

[Twix]

A Peja,Thomas,Jackson package would get us an incredible player.

I'm just curious, who would that player be?

 

[PacMan]

I'm just curious, who would that player be?

Somebody with Lebron's talent standing at 7'2

 

[Stojakovic]

Somebody with Lebron's talent standing at 7'2

Joel Przybilla ?

 

[Twix]

Joel Przybilla ?

I like Joel...except when he go against our Kings. :/
But he don't have LeBron's talents??

 

[Viking]

^I'm thinking he was joking.

 

[Entity]

Those of you saying Skinner at PF need to think of one thing. He is low post player only. And in the Low post you get fouled alot. Do we really want this guy going to the line 10-11 times a night shooting 30%. I think he suits well coming off the bench for the 4/5 slot.

Also basing Kenny Thomas number vs. Tim Duncan while he was in Philly is not giving Kenny any justice whatsoever. I mean look at Webber with Philly vs. Webber with us. for example against LA last week

Webber vs. LA with Philly 5pts 7reb 5ast 1stl 2blk

Webber vs. LA with Sacramento 22pts 16reb 7ast

Now you tell me is it the man or is it the team the man is on. Give Kenny a chance

 

[Warhawk]

Not saying I agree one way or the other, but I don't see the Maloofs getting rid of Peja anytime soon. He's the guy who was an MVP candidate through 2/3 of last year - I bet they want to see if they can get that guy back. We all do.

 

[soulrhapsody]

Kenny is NOT the PF this team needs... but he could be the SF.

Im in doubt about the SF spot for thomas coz thats taking away the three ball....sure hes a good jump shooter but if u look at our lineup we need 3 point shooters...I think Skinner should be the PF and Peja should still be small forward...Guys dont doubt Peja he will get better..This starting to look like people are starting to treat him just like when webb was struggling

 

[soulrhapsody]

I really like Kenny Thomas, but I would have to agree that he is too small to play Power Forward, what I suggest Adelman to do is start him anyways and play him as much as we can so we can get his trade value up, and If we don't trade him next year possibly in a package with Peja, we will have a nice small forward for us. A Peja,Thomas,Jackson package would get us an incredible player.

This would be like destroying team chemistry...Once you get a superstar for 3 of our guys thats like betting 50-50% chance what if the player u trade for doesnt adjust or play well..then were done....well all i can say is 3 guys are better than 1...Teamwork is what makes a basketball team and 1 guy for 3 of our good players isnt goin to work...whats goin to happen is no sub for bibby (jackson gone) No sub for Miller/skinner (we dnt want greg)
It destroys the formula

 

[SacTownKid]

What do these players have in common?

Antoine Walker
Al Harrington
Emeka Okafor
Antonio Davis
Drew Gooden
Dirk Nowitzki
Kenyon Martin
Rasheed Wallace
Troy Murphy
Juwann Howard
Jermaine O'Neal
Elton Brand
Lamar Odom
Pau Gasol
Udonis Haslem
Joe Smith
Kevin Garnett
Jason Collins
PJ Brown
Kurt Thomas
Dwight Howard
Chris Webber
Shawn Marion
Zach Randolph/Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Tim Duncan
Reggie Evans
Chris Bosh
Carlos Boozer
Jared Jeffries


What do they have in common? Those are the starting PFs of every other team in the NBA. 29 of them. You know how many of those 29 are as short as Kenny Thomas? ONE (1). And that's Shawn Marion, who is not a PF at all, but a SF being played there because he can jump out of the gym and block shots like a bigger man. You may also recall what Webb did to him in the post because he was so small.

Kenny Thomas IS small. Painfully so for a starting PF in this league. Team him with a big shotblocking center who can cover for his size issues, and maybe. Maybe. Hasn't worked yet. But maybe. Team him with a groundbound finesse center, and no way. There are a number of guards around the league who can actually look down at Kenny. Makes it very hard to shut down the middle, and when you get posted up by a man 4-6 inches taller than you, its lights out.

Excuse me if I'm not excited about having THE smallest starting PF in the league starting for my team. Brings back memories of the (not so) good ole days.

Most of those guys are only 1-2 inches in height dif! Sure Dirk, Duncan, and Garnett pose a matchup problems, but who don't they cause matchup problems for???

Maybe I am just so used to seeing Webber out there that you could put a 5'10" guy out there and as long as he's active I'd be happy. I do agree that Kenny can be a liability at times but he is without question an upgrade over Webber on defense IMO.

Kenny at SF hasn't seemed to work when I have seen it. As was questioned earlier, a lot of what makes him so good at PF is wiped away at SF because he doesn't have those advantages anymore. I like Kenny at PF, he has more positives than negatives in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that this offense could almost seem like it was created for a guy like him. When Brad gets back it could pay huge dividends with them on the court at the same time. Kenny is very mobile and in an offense based on movement without the ball he has the opprotunity to flourish.

 

[SacTownKid]

This would be like destroying team chemistry...Once you get a superstar for 3 of our guys thats like betting 50-50% chance what if the player u trade for doesnt adjust or play well..then were done....well all i can say is 3 guys are better than 1...Teamwork is what makes a basketball team and 1 guy for 3 of our good players isnt goin to work...whats goin to happen is no sub for bibby (jackson gone) No sub for Miller/skinner (we dnt want greg)
It destroys the formula

I would like to keep Kenny if he fits on this team like I think he can, but if a "superstar" type came along I would have to say go for it. 50-50% chance on most teams but not on the KINGS!! Rick Adelman has to be the best coach in history at getting the most out of his players. So I wouldn't be too afraid of that happening.

The whole question is who could we get that is a "superstar"? If we go after a "superstar" either Peja, Bibby, or Miller have to go. Kenny Thomas, Greg Ostertag, and filler ain't gonna cut it.

This trade for Garnett would be about as close as we could come at landing him or any guy at his level, who wants to do this?:

Sacramento trades:

PG Mike Bibby (19.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 6.7 apg in 39.1 minutes)
C Brad Miller (15.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 3.9 apg in 37.3 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

SG Fred Hoiberg (6.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 16.8 minutes)
PF Kevin Garnett (22.5 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 5.6 apg in 38.7 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -6.6 ppg, +2.6 rpg, and -3.9 apg.

Minnesota trades:
SG Fred Hoiberg (6.0 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 1.1 apg in 16.8 minutes)
PF Kevin Garnett (22.5 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 5.6 apg in 38.7 minutes)

Minnesota receives:

PG Mike Bibby (19.5 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 6.7 apg in 39.1 minutes)
C Brad Miller (15.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 3.9 apg in 37.3 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +6.6 ppg, -2.6 rpg, and +3.9 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

 

[Twix]

^Good point, SacTownKid. I was thinking the same...that's why I was wondering who this "incredible player" was.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

This would be like destroying team chemistry...Once you get a superstar for 3 of our guys thats like betting 50-50% chance what if the player u trade for doesnt adjust or play well..then were done....well all i can say is 3 guys are better than 1...Teamwork is what makes a basketball team and 1 guy for 3 of our good players isnt goin to work...whats goin to happen is no sub for bibby (jackson gone) No sub for Miller/skinner (we dnt want greg)
It destroys the formula

No, you don't want Greg.. I don't think you can speak for anyone else except yourself on an opinion on Greg. How is it destroying team chemistry when one guy hasn't played all year, one wants out and the other is brand new to the team? Now I do agree with you that team work is the number "1" priority but your making it sound like were losing our whole team. Now if we did decide to trade those players that I mentioned in a package it would be a smart thing to do, for the following reasons; Bobby Jackson is "Injury Prone", he wants to start, and his contract is up next year, plus how many minutes do you expect Bobby to get with Mobley,Evans & Bibby trying to get minutes. Thomas is an undersized power forward on a team that already lacks defence(no disrespect to Kennys game but its true), and he has a fat contract. Peja being our "Superstar" has pretty much told us he wants out of Sacramento, and we all can't lie to ourselves, we are not going to win a Title with someone that dosen't want to play here. Now say we did get Lebron in some kind of miracle trade, we would loose 3 players for 1, yes, but its not like we don't have players that are not good enough to fill back into those positions. Our lineup would look like this.

C-Miller/Ostertag
Pf-Skinner/Songaila
Sf- James/Williamson
Sg-Mobley/Evans/Martin
Pg-Bibby/House

^Title contenders right there, heres another scenerio, if that one isn't good enough for you. Now say we got Garnett.

C-Miller/Ostertag
Pf-Garnett/Skinner/Songaila
Sf-Williamson/Songaila/Martin
Sg-Mobley/Evans/Martin
Pg-Bibby/House

^ Once again I would say thats a title contending team.
I'm not trying to say that one Superstar is better then three solid players, but if you are looking for a championship IMO its better to have someone like that that you can build your team around to compliment him.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Most of those guys are only 1-2 inches in height dif! Sure Dirk, Duncan, and Garnett pose a matchup problems, but who don't they cause matchup problems for???

Maybe I am just so used to seeing Webber out there that you could put a 5'10" guy out there and as long as he's active I'd be happy. I do agree that Kenny can be a liability at times but he is without question an upgrade over Webber on defense IMO.

Kenny at SF hasn't seemed to work when I have seen it. As was questioned earlier, a lot of what makes him so good at PF is wiped away at SF because he doesn't have those advantages anymore. I like Kenny at PF, he has more positives than negatives in my opinion.

Not to mention the fact that this offense could almost seem like it was created for a guy like him. When Brad gets back it could pay huge dividends with them on the court at the same time. Kenny is very mobile and in an offense based on movement without the ball he has the opprotunity to flourish.

^ I like your point of view.. and When we do play the teams with Dirk, Duncan & Garnett we have Miller who can cover them, its such a positive to have Peja at 6"10 and being pretty strong because he can also ocassionally cover a power forward like Dirk or Odom, And if worst comes to worst in those games I geuss we can just put Skinner on them if Kenny is failing that bad at defence.

 

[SacTownKid]

No, you don't want Greg.. I don't think you can speak for anyone else except yourself on an opinion on Greg. How is it destroying team chemistry when one guy hasn't played all year, one wants out and the other is brand new to the team? Now I do agree with you that team work is the number "1" priority but your making it sound like were losing our whole team. Now if we did decide to trade those players that I mentioned in a package it would be a smart thing to do, for the following reasons; Bobby Jackson is "Injury Prone", he wants to start, and his contract is up next year, plus how many minutes do you expect Bobby to get with Mobley,Evans & Bibby trying to get minutes. Thomas is an undersized power forward on a team that already lacks defence(no disrespect to Kennys game but its true), and he has a fat contract. Peja being our "Superstar" has pretty much told us he wants out of Sacramento, and we all can't lie to ourselves, we are not going to win a Title with someone that dosen't want to play here. Now say we did get Lebron in some kind of miracle trade, we would loose 3 players for 1, yes, but its not like we don't have players that are not good enough to fill back into those positions. Our lineup would look like this.

C-Miller/Ostertag
Pf-Skinner/Songaila
Sf- James/Williamson
Sg-Mobley/Evans/Martin
Pg-Bibby/House

^Title contenders right there, heres another scenerio, if that one isn't good enough for you. Now say we got Garnett.

C-Miller/Ostertag
Pf-Garnett/Skinner/Songaila
Sf-Williamson/Songaila/Martin
Sg-Mobley/Evans/Martin
Pg-Bibby/House

^ Once again I would say thats a title contending team.
I'm not trying to say that one Superstar is better then three solid players, but if you are looking for a championship IMO its better to have someone like that that you can build your team around to compliment him.

Peja for Garnett or Lebron is so out of the question its not even worth mentioning. We would have to do a trade like the one I said or maybe move Peja/Bibby or maybe Peja/Miller. I would think though that if we were to get either Lebron or KG our best and only possibility IF there even is one is moving Miller/Bibby. KG at his current state and Lebron at his current state are pretty much untradeable.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

^ thats why I said "Miracle" trade. I was just using Lebron & KG as an example. It could be Kobe, Dirk, TMac, Duncan, or any other superstar.

 

[SacTownKid]

^ thats why I said "Miracle" trade.

Petrie's good but not even he is that good. The only way we could get any "superstar", even miraculously, for anyone other than our top guys (not Peja and filler, or Bibby and filler, or Miller and filler, none of those will work) is if they are "damaged goods" much like the way Chris Webber is percieved. Would we want them then?

Artest could be an option but to be honest I wouldn't surprised if he goes for a draft pick his trade value is so low. Just speaking from a PR standpoint the trade value of Peja is >>>>>>>> Artest. That deal wouldn't be a problem, Petrie would have to have some serious grapefruits to do it though.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

^ It was just an example I wasn't stating we could get those players, I was just using them to prove a point, that if we got a Star our team we wouldn't fall apart because we traded 3 for 1.

 

[KingCookie]

Sure, KT may be shorter than a lot of PFs around the league by an inch or two.

So what? Compare him to Webber. Could Webber dunk like KT? Height doesn't matter as much as hops and quickness do, IMO. He's doing a fine job, although I wouldn't be surprised if he's gone after this year. For that matter, I wouldn't be surprised if anybody was gone after this year...besides Bibby.