Kemba pulls out of Fredette workout

rainmaker

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#4
I think he's scared. Kemba is supposed to get picked before Jimmer. If Jimmer outplays him, it only knocks him back. Not much to gain by outplaying Jimmer. Maybe it's his agent, but I don't like it, and I doubt Petrie likes it either. Will be interesting if Kemba's on the board, what we do.
 
#5
did GP ever pick someone he didnt work out before? what are the chances jimmer outplays kemba? perhaps 1 on 1 isn't to kemba's strengths? while jimmer is used to being the scorer yes?

Point guard, shooter... jimmer fills the need i really won't be surprised if GP picked him..
 

Spike

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#6
Sounds like Kemba's already taking a hit in the court of public opinion. Even if Kemba doesn't think he'll be available (and I'm pretty sure he might be), a good showing at the workout would only help to increase his stock. If you believe you're among the best, you won't back down.
 
#7
did GP ever pick someone he didnt work out before? what are the chances jimmer outplays kemba? perhaps 1 on 1 isn't to kemba's strengths? while jimmer is used to being the scorer yes?

Point guard, shooter... jimmer fills the need i really won't be surprised if GP picked him..
I think once or twice if I'm not mistaken. I am sure that Petrie said he wouldn't draft players he didn't see, and Petrie did see him in Minnesota (technically). He also said Douby was the only player he regretted drafting, which might mean he didn't see Douby.
 
#8
I think once or twice if I'm not mistaken. I am sure that Petrie said he wouldn't draft players he didn't see, and Petrie did see him in Minnesota (technically). He also said Douby was the only player he regretted drafting, which might mean he didn't see Douby.
The only player was Gerald Wallace. And he said he wouldnt do it again. The reason he drafted Douby was because he did the best ever on their shooting test.
 
#10
I have this feeling Petrie is going to fall in love with Jimmer anyways. He loves shooters, and I think Jimmer has the ability to be a better shooter than Peja was. Being Kings are 30th in threes aswell....
 

bajaden

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#11
I have this feeling Petrie is going to fall in love with Jimmer anyways. He loves shooters, and I think Jimmer has the ability to be a better shooter than Peja was. Being Kings are 30th in threes aswell....
I think this was definitely a move by Kemba's agent. The Bobcats really like Kemba, and they pick at 9. Still, there's no guarantee that they'll take him if he's there. Personally I think its a bad move on the part of the Kemba camp. I'm disappointed! I was really looking forward to this matchup. Its not the be all, end all, but it would have been fun. The usual reason for a move like this is a promise from a team that drafts ahead of the Kings. Certainly not the Wiz. If so it would have to be either Toronto, or Utah. I can't see Utah taking Kemba ahead of Knight, so odds are it would be Toronto.. Which I could see. Anyway, go Jimmer!
 
#12
I have not seen many mocks that have Kemba avail at 7 anyway and I think Geoff is crazy if he passes on him at 7 whether he works out or not.

I don't care that he is skipping this workout since he's unlikely to be on the board when the Kings pick, and he could get shown up if Jimmer has a hot workout and Kemba has a bad cheeseburger that day.

If somehow he hoops gods provide us Kemba Walker in this draft then the decision on who to pick becomes very very easy. I'd be thrilled to get Walker from this draft but I don't have my hopes up.
 

bajaden

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#13
I have not seen many mocks that have Kemba avail at 7 anyway and I think Geoff is crazy if he passes on him at 7 whether he works out or not.

I don't care that he is skipping this workout since he's unlikely to be on the board when the Kings pick, and he could get shown up if Jimmer has a hot workout and Kemba has a bad cheeseburger that day.

If somehow he hoops gods provide us Kemba Walker in this draft then the decision on who to pick becomes very very easy. I'd be thrilled to get Walker from this draft but I don't have my hopes up.
I do not share your enthusiasm. Nothing against Walker, but I have others I would take before him. Including Fredette. Thats why I was looking forward to a Walker/Fredette matchup. I wanted Walker to prove me wrong. I do like your approach to the whole thing though. If Fredette beats Walker, then Walker just decided to eat one too many hamburgers, and Fredette just had a great day. It would have nothing to do with Fredette possibly being the better player. Sort of a win/win for Walker, no matter what he does.

This is not a knock on Walker by the way. I like him! I just don't have him as high as you do. I certainly hope he proves me wrong if for some reason we draft him.
 
#14
I do not share your enthusiasm. Nothing against Walker, but I have others I would take before him. Including Fredette. Thats why I was looking forward to a Walker/Fredette matchup. I wanted Walker to prove me wrong. I do like your approach to the whole thing though. If Fredette beats Walker, then Walker just decided to eat one too many hamburgers, and Fredette just had a great day. It would have nothing to do with Fredette possibly being the better player. Sort of a win/win for Walker, no matter what he does.

This is not a knock on Walker by the way. I like him! I just don't have him as high as you do. I certainly hope he proves me wrong if for some reason we draft him.
I bow to your knowledge and research on the college prospects - seriously no BS. I'm a casual dedicated fan but not well read where the college prospects are concerned. But I did watch the tourney (rooting for SDSU) and Kemba crushed them... and I have a general affinity for demonstrated winners when the stakes are high so the basis of my Kemba Walker enthusiasm is largely based on that intangible.

And I think he will be snatched high in the draft over most foreigners and big man projects. This is just a hunch.

The situation (not the players) remind me of that big man from Florida who we were hoping against hope would drop to 10 a few years back. Nope, we got Spencer... on paper not too far behind the scrappy winner big man - but in reality far far behind him.

I'm sure Geoff will do the right thing, and if he takes a flyer on Jimmer I won't throw something at the TV. I just like winners from proven programs (Bibby was one of those guys). I just think something gets in your DNA along the way and sticks when you're in a major program that wins.
 

bajaden

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#15
I bow to your knowledge and research on the college prospects - seriously no BS. I'm a casual dedicated fan but not well read where the college prospects are concerned. But I did watch the tourney (rooting for SDSU) and Kemba crushed them... and I have a general affinity for demonstrated winners when the stakes are high so the basis of my Kemba Walker enthusiasm is largely based on that intangible.

And I think he will be snatched high in the draft over most foreigners and big man projects. This is just a hunch.

The situation (not the players) remind me of that big man from Florida who we were hoping against hope would drop to 10 a few years back. Nope, we got Spencer... on paper not too far behind the scrappy winner big man - but in reality far far behind him.

I'm sure Geoff will do the right thing, and if he takes a flyer on Jimmer I won't throw something at the TV. I just like winners from proven programs (Bibby was one of those guys). I just think something gets in your DNA along the way and sticks when you're in a major program that wins.
No one can deny that Kemba is a winner, and ultimately, that is the goal. He's a great competitor, and like you, if Petrie decides he's the guy, then I'll bow to greater knowledge. I've never been a huge fan of diminutive PG's. But when they're good, they're usually very good. But players like Chris Paul are the exception rather than the rule. The smaller you are at any position, the greater your skill level, and to some extent, the greater your athleticism has to be to overcome your lack of size. You could see with Pooh Jeter last season, that just being a great athlete at his size, isn't enough.

Obviously, Kemba is far more talented than Jeter, and taller as well. Here's the question, and its not a fair one, but I'll ask it non the less. If Kemba hadn't won the national championship, or at least come close, would everyone be as high on him as they are? I think not! And of course, it is part of the equation. He did win a national championship. But if you go back to the beginning of the season and look where Kemba was projected to go in the draft, it was late teen's or early 20's.

That projection was based on his previous two years at UCONN. So how much better was this last season than the previous two, championship aside. Well he scored more points per game, going from 14.6 PPG to 23.5 PPG. However he more than doubled the amount of 3 pt shots he took. Going from 112 three pointers to 227 three pointers. Overall, he simply put up more shots, which explains more points scored. Efficiency wise, There was no improvement. In his sophmore year he shot 33.9% from the three, and last season he shot 33.0% from the three. His assists per game when down a little from 5.1 APG to 4.5 APG. He did reduce his turnovers slightly, but when your passing the ball less, your apt to turn the ball over less.

There is no doubt, that for at least one year, meaning last season, Walker was a shoot first and pass second PG. And to be fair to him, he says thats what they asked him to do. And like Fredette, he wasn't exactly surrounded by prolific scorers. The next best player on the team being a freshman SG named Jeremy Lamb, who I happen to like a lot. Walker was surrounded by a very young team made up for the most part of freshmen and sophmore's. The only regular rotation player that was a senior, was Okwandu, their center, who was hardly a scoring threat.

So is Walker really that good, that he can will his team to a championship, or did he make a deal with the devil. Or was it just one of those, once in a lifetime magical years. How many quarterbacks have won the Heisman trophy, and a national championship, and gone on to be busts. More than the teams that drafted them would like. I'm not saying that Kemba will be a bust by any means. But there's a lot of glitz and glitter around Kemba, and sometimes that can blind your ability see clearly. I could use Rubio as an example as a player that got drafted more on perception, than on reality. If he's really coming this next season, it'll be interesting to see if he can turn that perception into reality.
 
#16
All these games that these agents are playing are getting a little annoying, but ultimately it's not that big of a deal. The real sample is their college games, this is inconsequential compared to that.
 

bajaden

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#17
All these games that these agents are playing are getting a little annoying, but ultimately it's not that big of a deal. The real sample is their college games, this is inconsequential compared to that.
I think a large part of these workouts is just getting a chance to know the players, and see how coachable they are. I do think they have more value if you can pit two very good players against one another, but I doubt your going to make major changes to your draft board based on one appearence.
 
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sactownfan

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#18
sacbee says hes still coming to workout in sacramento... just not the original time scheduled
 
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sactownfan

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#19
i cant blame him for rescheduling .... usually the players enjoy the challenge but surely his agent is controlling this....
 
#21
No one can deny that Kemba is a winner, and ultimately, that is the goal. He's a great competitor, and like you, if Petrie decides he's the guy, then I'll bow to greater knowledge. I've never been a huge fan of diminutive PG's. But when they're good, they're usually very good. But players like Chris Paul are the exception rather than the rule. The smaller you are at any position, the greater your skill level, and to some extent, the greater your athleticism has to be to overcome your lack of size. You could see with Pooh Jeter last season, that just being a great athlete at his size, isn't enough.

Obviously, Kemba is far more talented than Jeter, and taller as well. Here's the question, and its not a fair one, but I'll ask it non the less. If Kemba hadn't won the national championship, or at least come close, would everyone be as high on him as they are? I think not! And of course, it is part of the equation. He did win a national championship. But if you go back to the beginning of the season and look where Kemba was projected to go in the draft, it was late teen's or early 20's.

That projection was based on his previous two years at UCONN. So how much better was this last season than the previous two, championship aside. Well he scored more points per game, going from 14.6 PPG to 23.5 PPG. However he more than doubled the amount of 3 pt shots he took. Going from 112 three pointers to 227 three pointers. Overall, he simply put up more shots, which explains more points scored. Efficiency wise, There was no improvement. In his sophmore year he shot 33.9% from the three, and last season he shot 33.0% from the three. His assists per game when down a little from 5.1 APG to 4.5 APG. He did reduce his turnovers slightly, but when your passing the ball less, your apt to turn the ball over less.

There is no doubt, that for at least one year, meaning last season, Walker was a shoot first and pass second PG. And to be fair to him, he says thats what they asked him to do. And like Fredette, he wasn't exactly surrounded by prolific scorers. The next best player on the team being a freshman SG named Jeremy Lamb, who I happen to like a lot. Walker was surrounded by a very young team made up for the most part of freshmen and sophmore's. The only regular rotation player that was a senior, was Okwandu, their center, who was hardly a scoring threat.

So is Walker really that good, that he can will his team to a championship, or did he make a deal with the devil. Or was it just one of those, once in a lifetime magical years. How many quarterbacks have won the Heisman trophy, and a national championship, and gone on to be busts. More than the teams that drafted them would like. I'm not saying that Kemba will be a bust by any means. But there's a lot of glitz and glitter around Kemba, and sometimes that can blind your ability see clearly. I could use Rubio as an example as a player that got drafted more on perception, than on reality. If he's really coming this next season, it'll be interesting to see if he can turn that perception into reality.
All good points. If not for the run in the NCAA's then Kemba is probably not on the radar. And I suppose there is the example of Mateen Cleaves to keep in mind. Something just tells me that they will be looking back and talking about how lucky the Kings were to get Tyreke, DeMarcus, and Kemba those three years... how they overcame shlt luck in the lottery and built a perennial playoff core anyway. Maybe the same can happen with Fredette
 
#22
I get the 'reasoning' behind this. I understand agents control all these things. However, that still shouldn't make this ACCEPTABLE. It's not. It makes sense, but I still don't like the idea of 'throwing a challenge', it's bad karma and contrary to the competitive spirit that athletes SHOULD have.
 

bajaden

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#23
I get the 'reasoning' behind this. I understand agents control all these things. However, that still shouldn't make this ACCEPTABLE. It's not. It makes sense, but I still don't like the idea of 'throwing a challenge', it's bad karma and contrary to the competitive spirit that athletes SHOULD have.
While I agree with you, we don't really know the reason. He may have had a scheduling conflict with another team and had to reschedule the Kings. So until I know for sure, I'm not going to thow mud in his direction.
 
#24
Completely understand the concerns about Kemba's long-range shooting ability, but shooting's the easiest thing to improve in the league, and I think Kemba's slashing ability has potential in the league despite the slight frame. I'd rather him play mid-range in anyway and only spot up when necessary, since the team that supposedly drafts him will have him creating most of the time anyway. His shooting ability is good enough to think that he could become a 35%+ three point shooter in time, and become respectable. Anyway, think this was a smart decision--I'm high on Kemba and if we go the PG route he's what I consider the BPA (although I wouldn't want to draft him, because he and Reke will split ballhandling duties and might make each other worse), and he probably has nothing to gain from here. Jimmer's trying to elevate his stock and can gain here.
 
#25
While I agree with you, we don't really know the reason. He may have had a scheduling conflict with another team and had to reschedule the Kings. So until I know for sure, I'm not going to thow mud in his direction.
Well, based on past reasons of other athletes, it's that he has nothing to gain and something to lose by competing. Once again, I understand that, but that shouldn't make you NOT compete.
 
#27
ugh I hope toronto takes him. I dn't want him if he's gonna be softer than peja.

he's also skimping out of a workout with Brandon Knight tomorrow in Toronto.

Well at least Jimmers got that HGH jaw so he shouldn't completely suck.



fits right in
 
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bajaden

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#28
ugh I hope toronto takes him. I dn't want him if he's gonna be softer than peja.

he's also skimping out of a workout with Brandon Knight tomorrow in Toronto.

Well at least Jimmers got that HGH jaw so he shouldn't completely suck.



fits right in
From everything I've read, its Knight thats refusing to workout against other players. By Knight, I mean his agent. Thats why he had a solo appearence in Sac. These are all unsubstantiated rumors, but one thing I do know about Walker, is that he's a fierce competitor, and I just can't see him dodging a challenge.

Having said that, I also hope Toronto takes him. I don't see him as a good fit for the Kings.
 

bajaden

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#30
Apparently Jimmer and Kemba are working out together in Utah so maybe it was just a scheduling conflict or a health issue. If that's the case we should probably re-schedule our workout with Jimmer too.
The word from Walker's agent is that Walker had a workout on the 7th and the 8th, and both on the eastcoast. He felt it was too much to have a workout 3 days in a row, along with traveling all the way across the country. Unless the Kings were the last addition to the schedule, it would seem to me he should have known about this conflict when it was originally scheduled.