Keegan "Keegan Murray" Murray signs a 5-year 140 million Extension

hrdboild said:
I can see why anyone who doesn't watch the Kings regularly wouldn't realize Keegan's value. A lot of what he does on defense doesn't show up in the box scores and his shooting has gone through hot and cold stretches since his rookie season. Also his usage has been suppressed by having a lot of teammates who love to shoot the ball. There is some projection in this contract -- we're hoping he finds some consistency with the jumper and becomes more assertive -- but the tools are all there for him to be a star two-way forward in a couple years if he wants to be and I see it as a good sign that the vets around him are all trying to make him realize that.
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Yeah, if Keegan kind of sticks where he's at in terms of production he'll sink in value for sure. How much? Eh, not as much as some of the other unwise maneuvers made by this franchise over the years most likely. If the Kings win it won't matter if he does flatline but if the Kings don't get into that sum of all parts territory and start winning games as a team then every player on the roster will be viewed as just parts and we've already seen the value in some of the contracts Monte signed where the assumption was it was a great deal and it turns out it wasn't. The Kings routinely utilize that projection, gamble, and more often than not probably shouldn't have and a move for Kuminga was exactly that same mentality. Can't really complain about Keegan not getting that usage since at least the first year the Kings were winning but this season is the tipping point in terms of direction.
 
SacTownKid said:
Yeah, if Keegan kind of sticks where he's at in terms of production he'll sink in value for sure. How much? Eh, not as much as some of the other unwise maneuvers made by this franchise over the years most likely. If the Kings win it won't matter if he does flatline but if the Kings don't get into that sum of all parts territory and start winning games as a team then every player on the roster will be viewed as just parts and we've already seen the value in some of the contracts Monte signed where the assumption was it was a great deal and it turns out it wasn't. The Kings routinely utilize that projection, gamble, and more often than not probably shouldn't have and a move for Kuminga was exactly that same mentality. Can't really complain about Keegan not getting that usage since at least the first year the Kings were winning but this season is the tipping point in terms of direction.
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This is really the bottom line isn't it? The "overrated" perception eventually lands on everyone whose team isn't winning. Whether this Keegan contract ends up being more of the same or the beginning of a franchise turnaround will really depend on what happens next -- will Scott Perry and Doug Christie make enough of the right decisions to catapult this franchise back into a sustained multi-year playoff run or will they, like their forebears, only make some of the moves needed to make that happen and stall out before completing the puzzle?

Because even if Keegan transforms himself into a 25ppg perennial All-Star he will still carry the stigma of "empty numbers" unless/until the Kings become a team that the rest of the league has to take seriously. We saw it with DeMarcus, we saw it with Fox, and we saw it with every role-player signed to fill a role on a contract that "seemed like a good idea at the time" but eventually proved to be "negative trade value" when the next tear-down process began.
 
iowamcnabb said:
Aaron Gordon. I’ll say it again, that is who Keegan can and should be. Watching the Denver/State game and that is the type of player Keegan should strive 4. A sweet shooting four man who can occasionally go off on offense but makes his bones on defense.
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Aaron Gordon that can be an efficient high volume 3pt shooter is an excellent outcome for Keegan. He's probably pretty close to that now, tbh
 
iowamcnabb said:
Aaron Gordon. I’ll say it again, that is who Keegan can and should be. Watching the Denver/State game and that is the type of player Keegan should strive 4. A sweet shooting four man who can occasionally go off on offense but makes his bones on defense.
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Is Gordon still an Uber elite athlete? Thats something Keegan will never ever have.
 
SLAB said:
Is Gordon still an Uber elite athlete? Thats something Keegan will never ever have.
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I think he's mostly talking about role. No doubt Gordon has been a highlight dunk contest guy and in Orlando was allowed to develop into a legit playmaker. Keegan is totally different but role wise could be similar.
 
Kenyon Murray does not agree with me. He said he has been a a two most of his life with his brother Kris playing the 1 haha. He said that he will likely settle in as a 3 in the nba. Said he has been in Chicago all summer working on his handle. I’m curious who he was working with. All this from an interview he did with Allen Stiles.
 
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