[News] Keegan "Keegan Murray" Murray signs a 5-year 140 million Extension
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Hinkie missed on well over half his picks which is the difference between him and Presti who has rebuilt from scratch twice. I need to see more out of Perry before I'd trust him to get it right. I do feel like he got nice value in this draft though.
Joshyjosh31
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Sam Hinkie is the goat unless you’re one of those that think that process continued after him
Presti did it before and after and did it better. Hinkie hit on two picks until one of those picks became trash in the middle of his second contract. They had five straight years of top 5 picks? Plus whatever else they acquired before he got canned?
And their reward for that has never been advancing past the second round, exactly where they were when he decided to begin the process.
GOAT my-a.
Joshyjosh31
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It’s was working and the league didn’t like it and fired him the process was half finished. Also he turned chicken crap into a playoff team how is that not a success even after they stopped him? If in 5 years we’re a consistent playoff team with an mvp player in his 20’s do you not consider that a successful rebuild. Hinkie doesn’t trade Bridges and picks for smith btw… the process worked despite firing him half way and bringing in a nepo kid who made clown moves after
They were a 2nd round playoff team he dismantled to create what ultimately capped out as a 2nd round playoff team. His talent evaluation was subpar. By the time he got fired they were done tanking so he'd have just gone on making bad talent evaluations.
Meanwhile Presti rebuilt Seattle into OKC in like 3 drafts, got to the finals in 5 or 6 seasons, owner said he didn't want to pay the guys and ~10 years later he has a title and a team that is even more stacked.
There's no comparison, almost every team that has gone full tank has turned around faster and better.
Joshyjosh31
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Alright stop comparing him to presti let’s compare him to everyone else also presti had the benefit of having harden and Westbrook as trade assets to start
When he was done they would’ve had Simmons, Embiid, Bridges and possibly Fox
I am comparing him to recent jobs done by Houston and San Antonio possibly Portland if they are a play in team this year that all may pay better dividends while only going into the gutter for 3 cycles. Hinkie had an unoriginal idea and broke even after 5 years of unwatchable ball.
Joshyjosh31
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San Antonio rebuild was literally tanking and getting Wemby then tanking again when Wemby got hurt
They had the 4th pick in the last draft and at least short returns say they did better than picks 1-3.
Anyhow the point here originally was that I'm not sure yet if Perry is the guy I want picking in the event we do go full tank for the next 2-3 seasons (intentionally or otherwise).
The good news is he hasn't exactly made any crippling trades and Nique appears to be a nice pickup at the cost of a lottery protected Spurs pick (that returns to us if Wemby gets injured and they get a miracle pick). The bad news is that we still have DDR/Monk/LaVine on this team and really only have room for one of them, especially since for whatever reason we just brought Russ in.
Joshyjosh31
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If we get a top three pick this year surely we can’t **** it up the top three fit with the young guys
NewArena
All-Star
I had that thought too, not gonna lie LOLThe best part of locking Keegan up for 5 years is that we don't have to worry about D'Aaron Fox trying to poison Keegan and pry him away to the San Antonio Spurs.
The Hawks are really trying to low-ball Daniels??
I swear man, these teams never learn lol.
TaxMan
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Just announced he got 4 years for $100M. That is a GREAT deal for the Hawks. I would likely take Daniels over the next 4 years instead of Keegan. He just keeps getting better and better.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
He and Keegan need to swap contracts my goodness.
It's 3mil less AAV. And he hits his next contract a year sooner, so he'll make it up more and then some if he continues on his trajectory. Market is crystal clear, the "Really good starting caliber wing, but not quite a star yet" wings get between 22-28 mil/season.
I am surprised Daniels agent couldn't negotiate more coming off the season he just had. I would have demanded to be on top of that list, but hey.
SLAB
Hall of Famer
For sure, I spaced the year difference. Still surprised at that number for Daniels though.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
The thing about Daniels is that he makes Marcus Smart look like freaking Luka as an offensive player so there’s probably a bit of a discount there relative to his actual impact on the floor
Yeah, I think the extra year of team control will make the Kings contract the better deal. It's 4 years with an average of $25 million per year for Daniels and 5 years with an average of $28 million per year for Murray. Assuming Keegan and Daniels both improve along similar trajectories, we'd be looking at a below market contract for Keegan in that last year while Daniels could be looking for a new contract starting at $40-50 million per based on current levels of salary inflation.
Yeah this is underreported in the Sharpe and Daniels deals being 4 years. Their floors seem high enough that they are going to get huge paydays. Sharpe in particular might be a big deal because he was the start of their rebuild.
sactowndog
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Yeah except he is 6 8” and can move his feet.
The fact is all those guys get over paid. Maybe he just stands in the corner and shoots but with his defense and catch and shoot skills he is hard to replace.
When compared to Jabari Smith Jr it is still
a bit of an overpay.
For Jabari Smith Jr. (2025 contract extension)
- Team: Houston Rockets
- Term: 5 years, 122 million
- Period: Through the 2030-31 season
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iowamcnabb
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Most of the salary cap/ gurus seem to like this deal but the more hot take types (Bill Simmons etc) think it’s an over pay. Keegan doesn’t make mistakes. He doesn’t turn the ball over. Very good rebounder, one of the best at tipping out. Overall very durable. Great defender. High character and good teammate. Dial in the shot at 37-41 percent and this is a rock solid deal that ages well. Shoot 33 percent from 3 and that conversation shifts to an overpay but not anchor deal.
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Or the fact Keegan is better than Jabari, but let's not that little fact get in the way of a good agenda!
Capt already said it, this contract is basically 15%ish of the cap going forward. If he never gets better from what he is now, that's perfectly acceptable for an excellent 3&D wing role player.
If he takes a leap, which he very much looked ready to do to close last season, then this is an absolute bargain.
I can see why anyone who doesn't watch the Kings regularly wouldn't realize Keegan's value. A lot of what he does on defense doesn't show up in the box scores and his shooting has gone through hot and cold stretches since his rookie season. Also his usage has been suppressed by having a lot of teammates who love to shoot the ball. There is some projection in this contract -- we're hoping he finds some consistency with the jumper and becomes more assertive -- but the tools are all there for him to be a star two-way forward in a couple years if he wants to be and I see it as a good sign that the vets around him are all trying to make him realize that.