JT for Randolph

[DoDiGaG0]

call me crazy but I would do this

Randolph is 3 year younger and can do much much more on the floor than JT

I think he can potentially form an amazing combo with Tyreke, he's long, athletic, and can so much on the floor

what you guys think? I think we should get a bit more back in the package, but I think a Evans/Randolph duo developing together could be good for a long, long, time.

 

[bajaden]

call me crazy but I would do this

Randolph is 3 year younger and can do much much more on the floor than JT

I think he can potentially form an amazing combo with Tyreke, he's long, athletic, and can so much on the floor

what you guys think? I think we should get a bit more back in the package, but I think a Evans/Randolph duo developing together could be good for a long, long, time.

No! I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thompson is a legitimate big that can play center and PF. Randolph is a SF!!!!!! The dude barely weighs 200 pounds. In college he was almost entirely a perimiter player, who occasionaly drove inside the paint. If you want a 6'9" PF standing out on the perimiter taking three point shots go ahead and make the deal.

I like Randolph, but he hasn't proved anything yet. If you want to add him to the mix thats fine. I would love to see him on the floor with Thompson. But I promise you. He's far from a finished product and he'll drive you crazy at times. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I decided to add one more thing in respect to Randolph. He has adjusted his game since coming into the league and is more of a slashing type player now. But my point remains that he's not a PF.

 

[Jaylee209]

Looking at your previous posts and your sig. I can honestly say, you are a very bad judge of talent.

And that trade is horrible! JT is not the problem. And Yah, You're CRAZY!

 

[NME]

No, thanks. I'd love to pair him next to JT, but I'm not going to give up our legit full-size PF for a SF that can play some PF. I would be willing to give up Donte in a package, because Randolph makes him somewhat redundant and probably exceeds him in every category other than shooting outside 15 feet.

 

[bajaden]

No, thanks. I'd love to pair him next to JT, but I'm not going to give up our legit full-size PF for a SF that can play some PF. I would be willing to give up Donte in a package, because Randolph makes him somewhat redundant and probably exceeds him in every category other than shooting outside 15 feet.

A voice of reason..

 

[Vlade4GM]

No! I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thompson is a legitimate big that can play center and PF. Randolph is a SF!!!!!! The dude barely weighs 200 pounds. In college he was almost entirely a perimiter player, who occasionaly drove inside the paint. If you want a 6'9" PF standing out on the perimiter taking three point shots go ahead and make the deal.

I like Randolph, but he hasn't proved anything yet. If you want to add him to the mix thats fine. I would love to see him on the floor with Thompson. But I promise you. He's far from a finished product and he'll drive you crazy at times. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I decided to add one more thing in respect to Randolph. He has adjusted his game since coming into the league and is more of a slashing type player now. But my point remains that he's not a PF.

Actually I think Randolph is more like 6'11 now. I would do the deal, but I wouldn't expect the Kings to. I just personally believe in his potential as long he's given time and opportunity.

 

[roasthawg]

I wanted Randolph on draft day and would be ok with this trade now. Not something that would benefit or hurt us much I think as both players are decent... Randolph has more upside though but he's a bigger risk as well.

 

[hammystyle]

No! I've said it before and I'll say it again. Thompson is a legitimate big that can play center and PF. Randolph is a SF!!!!!! The dude barely weighs 200 pounds. In college he was almost entirely a perimiter player, who occasionaly drove inside the paint. If you want a 6'9" PF standing out on the perimiter taking three point shots go ahead and make the deal.

This is a bit disingenuous. He's 6'9" barefoot, making him the same height as Webber. He's taken nine three pointers in his career which is only one more than Jason Thompson has taken. And you don't really know how much he weighs, you only know how much he weighed at the combine 18 months ago.

I like Randolph, but he hasn't proved anything yet. If you want to add him to the mix thats fine. I would love to see him on the floor with Thompson. But I promise you. He's far from a finished product and he'll drive you crazy at times. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I decided to add one more thing in respect to Randolph. He has adjusted his game since coming into the league and is more of a slashing type player now. But my point remains that he's not a PF.

He's absolutely proved something. The rap on him coming in was that he was a freaky-talented, super-raw prospect with big bust potential. But he's already tossed the bust potential out the window. RIGHT NOW he's outproducing JT in points, rebounds, blocks, and steals per minute (That's not a perfect comparison considering the Warriors system, but still impressive). But on top of all that, he's still just beginning to put it all together. His potential is off the charts. As for not being a PF, all he's played in the pro's is PF and C, and there's been no indicator he can't handle it. The best game of his career came at center against Dwight Howard. He's still only 20, and will only get bigger and stronger.

So yeah, I would trade JT for Randolph. I'd be ecstatic about it actually. I think JT is a very good young PF, but the Warriors are fools for making Randolph available. He's a unique talent.

IDEALLY, we could keep JT and have the outgoing be Martin. But I think grabbing Randolph would be a coux.

 

[bajaden]

This is a bit disingenuous. He's 6'9" barefoot, making him the same height as Webber. He's taken nine three pointers in his career which is only one more than Jason Thompson has taken. And you don't really know how much he weighs, you only know how much he weighed at the combine 18 months ago.



He's absolutely proved something. The rap on him coming in was that he was a freaky-talented, super-raw prospect with big bust potential. But he's already tossed the bust potential out the window. RIGHT NOW he's outproducing JT in points, rebounds, blocks, and steals per minute (That's not a perfect comparison considering the Warriors system, but still impressive). But on top of all that, he's still just beginning to put it all together. His potential is off the charts. As for not being a PF, all he's played in the pro's is PF and C, and there's been no indicator he can't handle it. The best game of his career came at center against Dwight Howard. He's still only 20, and will only get bigger and stronger.

So yeah, I would trade JT for Randolph. I'd be ecstatic about it actually. I think JT is a very good young PF, but the Warriors are fools for making Randolph available. He's a unique talent.

IDEALLY, we could keep JT and have the outgoing be Martin. But I think grabbing Randolph would be a coux.

I would love to add Randolph, but not at the expense of losing Thompson. I'll say it again, Randolph is not a PF. He's something in between. Thompson rebounds better than Randolph, and he's certainly capable of defending big post players better. I'm absolutely stunned that people are so quick to give up on a player that shows promise of becoming as good a player if not better than Bosh. Why in Gods name can't we keep what we have that makes up our core and build on it. Chemistry is a fragile thing, and this team has it right now. You subtract Thompson and add in Randolph and you have no guarantee what happens. I guarantee you one thing, your rebounding goes down.

At some point you have to settle on certain players as your core and develop from there. You keep changing out parts on a regular basis and your going nowhere. Unless you get real lucky. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[hrdboild]

The only reason I was against drafting Evans initially is that I didn't think he would be a PG and our best player already played SG. Seeing how that has turned out, even if Evans isn't your prototypical PG he absolutely was the most talented player available and he makes our team better no matter where we play him.

So getting back to Randolph, is he more talented than Jason Thompson?

I wanted Randolph or Speights in the draft but since then we've seen Jason Thompson establish himself as a nightly double-double threat with regular playing time while Speights and Randolph have put up good numbers in limited minutes while skipping back and forth between starter and bench roles. If you're talking about swapping Thompson for Randolph right now, you'd have to balance Thompson's overall production with Randolph's per-minute production as well as how Randolph fits in our lineup (he would have to start at PF) and whether he can keep up his production with a bigger role.

It's kindof silly to limit Randolph to the SF position I think when his greatest strengths have been rebounding and protecting the basket. We openly talked about Thompson having some SF skills at the time he was drafted and Randolph is in a similar situation. He's more effective scoring the ball when he can face up his defender. He can put the ball on the floor enough to create some shot opportunities but not without turning the ball over more than you'd like. He's long enough to play PF and some C but he's also too skinny right now to hold his position on the low block. But then Thompson has a lot of the same problems defensively (and has to overcompensate by reaching in and picking up cheap fouls). And I'm thinking more and more that traditional positions mean less and less in today's NBA. Is Lebron a SF, PF, or PG? Josh Smith? Gerald Wallace? Brandon Roy? Kevin Garnett? Or are they just good players?

Which gets back to the original question, which player is more talented? On draft day I would have said Anthony Randolph. Right now I've seen enough of Jason Thompson to like what he brings to the table and not enough of Anthony Randolph to make a decision. And without glaring evidence of Randolph's superiority, I think we'd be better off sticking with our guy for chemistry reasons. Of course I'd love to add Randolph to our stable of young talent, but I don't think you give up your second most productive player to do it.

 

[Merdiesel]

No effin way.
JT is a true big man who is on the verge of breaking out.

 

[Sac.Kings]

JT just won't be better than bosh. He simply does not have the amount of time to "mature" to become great. I like JT, and I think he will be a better than average PF (I think he right now in fact), but bosh is still relatively young and is very very good. His stats this season are better than ever. On the flip side, JT will be more than capable of holding his own as a starting PF in this league, and I would not enjoy seeing him get traded. Bosh is an all star, has been for a while. Theres a reason why...

 

[hrdboild]

So you're presuming we would go after Bosh in the off-season if a Jason Thompson trade happens?

 

[NME]

I wanted Randolph or Speights in the draft but since then we've seen Jason Thompson establish himself as a nightly double-double threat with regular playing time while Speights and Randolph have put up good numbers in limited minutes while skipping back and forth between starter and bench roles.

We couldn't have gone too far wrong if we'd picked either of those guys over JT, but it's probably too much a lateral move to swap him for one of them today. Either guy has the potential to exceed him eventually, or could end up falling short of him in actual night-after-night production. The rap on Speights was lack of motivation and focus on and off the court, so playing shorter spurts could actually be working in his favor. JT has realized more on the court, and the other two are a bit more volatile, even thougth they've definitely cleared any potential-bust territory.

 

[Dreadnought]

Thompson will only be a decent player throughout his career. I don't see him improving. I'm not saying he hit his peak already, but he's close to it. He's already 23 or 24, and I feel like a 15/10 player is the best he'll really ever be. I'd do this trade, and I wanted AR on draft night as it was already. However, I do like JT for the fact that it seems that he, Donte, and Tyreke are pretty good friends, and I wouldn't want to be the one messing up the chemistry.

 

[hrdboild]

We couldn't have gone too far wrong if we'd picked either of those guys over JT, but it's probably too much a lateral move to swap him for one of them today. Either guy has the potential to exceed him eventually, or could end up falling short of him in actual night-after-night production. The rap on Speights was lack of motivation and focus on and off the court, so playing shorter spurts could actually be working in his favor. JT has realized more on the court, and the other two are a bit more volatile, even thougth they've definitely cleared any potential-bust territory.

Agreed entirely. Randolph and Speights have looked good in short burts but Thompson has looked good as a starting PF for 82 games a year which counts for something. Funny how that works out huh? Kinda almost makes me want to forgive Petrie for the Douby fiasco.

 

[Dreadnought]

Agreed entirely. Randolph and Speights have looked good in short burts but Thompson has looked good as a starting PF for 82 games a year which counts for something. Funny how that works out huh? Kinda almost makes me want to forgive Petrie for the Douby fiasco.

Have we been watching the same Kings games? Thompson has a night where he goes 20/10, and then on the next, go like 8/8. That's not consistency.

 

[hammystyle]

I would love to add Randolph, but not at the expense of losing Thompson. I'll say it again, Randolph is not a PF. He's something in between. Thompson rebounds better than Randolph, and he's certainly capable of defending big post players better. I'm absolutely stunned that people are so quick to give up on a player that shows promise of becoming as good a player if not better than Bosh. Why in Gods name can't we keep what we have that makes up our core and build on it. Chemistry is a fragile thing, and this team has it right now. You subtract Thompson and add in Randolph and you have no guarantee what happens. I guarantee you one thing, your rebounding goes down.

At some point you have to settle on certain players as your core and develop from there. You keep changing out parts on a regular basis and your going nowhere. Unless you get real lucky. I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Its not giving up on JT, its just valuing a young player on another team more. I like JT a lot, but I see Randolph as clearly a better prospect for the Kings in the long haul. Thought so at draft time, and think so now.

Randolph rebounds better than JT on a per-minute basis. Maybe that's due to the guys around him, but

In terms maintaining chemistry and core, we're talking about training camp and 23 games for these guys. It just shouldn't even be a consideration at this point. More to the point, I think our core is Tyreke. JT is a great piece if we keep him, but he's not untouchable.

Either way, its really unlikely that the Kings would trade JT for Randolph straight up since they draft JT over Randolph just last year and JT's exceeded expectations if anything. So its moot. I'd still be stoked to get him.

 

[bajaden]

JT just won't be better than bosh. He simply does not have the amount of time to "mature" to become great. I like JT, and I think he will be a better than average PF (I think he right now in fact), but bosh is still relatively young and is very very good. His stats this season are better than ever. On the flip side, JT will be more than capable of holding his own as a starting PF in this league, and I would not enjoy seeing him get traded. Bosh is an all star, has been for a while. Theres a reason why...

JT's averages are almost identical for the first year and so far this year. Bosh is two years older than JT. So there's no reason to believe that JT doesn't have enough time. Bosh wasn't an all star his first two years in the league.

By the way, if anyone wants to get a look at Jarvis Varnado he's playing right now on ESPN2..

 

[Nighthawk1]

1:1 JT has higher value then Randolph.

I would love Randolph on this roster. I think he'd be an excellent big next to JT. I wouldn't even mind trading JT for Randolph... but not as a 1-1 trade. JT has much higher value than Randolph at this point in time (the summer league bs has worn out). I thinK Randolph is a great player in a terrible system with a terrible coach.. I'll look at some trades later on but JT to GSW doesn't bother me... Neither does Randolph coming here but we need more value out of it... (draft pick please, but unlikely).

 

[Bricklayer]

Randolph has more star potential than JT, but as its not a sure thing I wouldn't want to make that swap given our roster right now. Would love to get Randolph. Would be willing to move JT for a legitimate star big. But swapping the two is too risky for a franchise trying to move forward now into respectability.

 

[beb0p]

No thank you, we're trying to be a better defensive team. Defense. Remember defense?

This is just strange. On one hand fans (not all but many) want to trade KMart because he can't defend. Ok fine, it's a legit argument. But on the other hand, fans (not all, but enough) want to trade for a 200 pound weakling who cannot defend whatsoever.

To me, Anthony Randolph is in the same mode as Antawn Jamison/SAR. Those 3/4 hybrid who can't defend anyone, makes no one better, is never found on a championship team (at least not as a starter), but can put up stats and very good for fantasy bball owners.

If you're serious about winning, keep JT.

 

[hammystyle]

No thank you, we're trying to be a better defensive team. Defense. Remember defense?

This is just strange. On one hand fans (not all but many) want to trade KMart because he can't defend. Ok fine, it's a legit argument. But on the other hand, fans (not all, but enough) want to trade for a 200 pound weakling who cannot defend whatsoever.

To me, Anthony Randolph is in the same mode as Antawn Jamison/SAR. Those 3/4 hybrid who can't defend anyone, makes no one better, is never found on a championship team (at least not as a starter), but can put up stats and very good for fantasy bball owners.

If you're serious about winning, keep JT.

That's exactly why I want him. He's a tremendous defensive prospect because of his freakish length and agility. Bulk is one of the most overrated aspects of a basketball player.

In regards to Jamison and SAR, they're not similar.

 

[beb0p]

That's exactly why I want him. He's a tremendous defensive prospect because of his freakish length and agility.

Except he is not. Best case, he is going to be as much of a defensive presence as Jared Jefferies.

JT is already a better defender than AR will ever hope to be.

 

[hammystyle]

Except he is not. Best case, he is going to be as much of a defensive presence as Jared Jefferies.

JT is already a better defender than AR will ever hope to be.

I like this because its purely argumentative, ridiculous, and based on zero tangible information. Best case is Jared Jeffries, haha. You should have just gone for broke and called him Mikki Moore without the jumpshot.

Anyways, Randolph already has extremely high rates of blocks, steals and rebounds. Better than Jeffries, SAR, Jamison and even JT. His real best case on the defensive end would be Garnett. Josh Smith with better rebounding. Something along those lines.

 

[Bricklayer]

Except he is not. Best case, he is going to be as much of a defensive presence as Jared Jefferies.

JT is already a better defender than AR will ever hope to be.

JT can't defend me. Its the very worst thing he does.

Meanwhile ARs length and athleticism, not to mention boardwork and shotblocking instincts, gives him definite potential to be an impact player on that end. Just not as a C.

Must be remembered too that Randolph has played ina n idiot's system where defense is neither going to be coached nor valued.

 

[beb0p]

I like this because its purely argumentative, ridiculous, and based on zero tangible information.

So the one who talks glowingly about AR based on his "potential" is accusing me of being argumentative, speculative, and "ridiculous"?

Nice.

Except I live in SF and actually watch Warrior games on a consistent basis.

.

 

[Vlade4GM]

JT can't defend me. Its the very worst thing he does.

Meanwhile ARs length and athleticism, not to mention boardwork and shotblocking instincts, gives him definite potential to be an impact player on that end. Just not as a C.

Must be remembered too that Randolph has played ina n idiot's system where defense is neither going to be coached nor valued.

This.

 

[beb0p]

JT can't defend me. Its the very worst thing he does.

Meanwhile ARs length and athleticism, not to mention boardwork and shotblocking instincts, gives him definite potential to be an impact player on that end. Just not as a C.

Must be remembered too that Randolph has played ina n idiot's system where defense is neither going to be coached nor valued.

As a weak side help defender sure, AR has potential. But as a man to man defender, AR can't defend my grandmother, and she walks with a cane.

While JT may not be able to defend you, Brick, at least he'll put up some resistance. AR, on the other hand, will put up no resistance whatsoever. JT is better than AR defensively, even though neither will be compared to Alonzo Mournings anytime soon.

I have a feeling that many of you based your perception of AR on draft sites. Like I said, this is just another case of the grass is greener.

 

[DoDiGaG0]

call me crazy but I would do this

Randolph is 3 year younger and can do much much more on the floor than JT

I think he can potentially form an amazing combo with Tyreke, he's long, athletic, and can so much on the floor

what you guys think? I think we should get a bit more back in the package, but I think a Evans/Randolph duo developing together could be good for a long, long, time.

what wanting Rubio? the reason I haven't Rubio is because he was a pure PG and I thought it would be better to have him on the team to pair with the pieces we had(Martin @ SG)

looking back, Evans could possibly transition into a good PG, but he really is more of a SG...

The jury is still out on Rubio...