JT article "ponders" about a trade

This is like the little man argument. 6th man, awesome. JT as a bench player, 7th-9th man? Fantastic! As a starter, not so much.

JT has survived an epic all time poopoo show since he's been here. It'd be hard to play for a less stable franchise. Give the guy a break.

And remarkably he has stayed fairly stable throughout it all. At the beginning of last year, the last in the Smartian Era, he had the best shooting percentage. He just plugs on and although friends come and go and the practice environment may seem silly at times, he contributes. I don't know his social life but as in the military during warfare, I think he has learned not to make close friends because they could be gone tomorrow. These guys DO have lives outside of basketball, ya know.
 
If you tell me you would react any differently if year after year at your job all of your coworkers were swapped out, year after year you got lukewarm support yourself, you were demoted, sometimes it looked like they'd fire you, but then they'd tepidly bring you back one more time. Change your duties a little. Always be interviewing to see if they could replace you. All the faces wee different, they'd changed the computer system 6 times in 6 years, the man who hired you was fired, and still you sat in your cubicle, neither valued nor secure, for a company in the red every month, awaiting the next manager above you to be fired so that he could once again change over the system, your coworkers, and maybe you might linger, or not. You can never be sure. If somebody tells me that's their situation and that they go to work with a smile and their face and a chipper song in their heart, I'd tell them they're a liar, and not even a good one.

Bravo. You one-upped me as usual.
 
If you tell me you would react any differently if year after year at your job all of your coworkers were swapped out, year after year you got lukewarm support yourself, you were demoted, sometimes it looked like they'd fire you, but then they'd tepidly bring you back one more time. Change your duties a little. Always be interviewing to see if they could replace you. All the faces wee different, they'd changed the computer system 6 times in 6 years, the man who hired you was fired, and still you sat in your cubicle, neither valued nor secure, for a company in the red every month, awaiting the next manager above you to be fired so that he could once again change over the system, your coworkers, and maybe you might linger, or not. You can never be sure. If somebody tells me that's their situation and that they go to work with a smile and their face and a chipper song in their heart, I'd tell them they're a liar, and not even a good one.

Boo hoo. The guy makes millions playing basketball. He's not an office worker making $42k a year. He needs to man up and quit crying. And it would be nice if he actually improved his game over the years....
 
And, on the other hand, I did not like the post at all.

Jason Thompson isn't the villain here. He's gone through a LOT in his time on the Kings. He's the only one left, the most veteran Kings player on the team. Very few players see what he's seen, in that the ownership, front office, coaching staff, all the support staff AND EVERY OTHER PLAYER ON THE TEAM has changed while he alone has remained. His entire career has been in a state of flux. I defy you or anyone else so hellbent on getting rid of him to try to imagine that in your professional life and see how you'd handle it.

You make a very valid point. Jason Thompson has been a professional in every sense of the word throughout his career. He deserves all the credit in the world for conducting himself in such an impressive manner no matter what conditions existed within our organization. That being said, as a person, a professional, I personally have a tremendous amount of respect and admiration for JT.

However, as fans, it's in our nature to criticize and make observations. Jason has an issue of constantly being in every referee's ear. If his constant whining and complaining was somehow beneficial to our team, I would have no problem with it. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Aside from this annoying tendency, we've not yet seen an overall improvement in his game, thus as we work towards becoming a winning organization and establish a winning culture, he is not our long term solution on the front line.
 
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Boo hoo. The guy makes millions playing basketball. He's not an office worker making $42k a year. He needs to man up and quit crying. And it would be nice if he actually improved his game over the years....
Yes, he's made millions. What you make or don't make doesn't make you anymore or less human. You have any co-workers that grumble a bit too much but does their job adequately? Same thing.
 
If you tell me you would react any differently if year after year at your job all of your coworkers were swapped out, year after year you got lukewarm support yourself, you were demoted, sometimes it looked like they'd fire you, but then they'd tepidly bring you back one more time. Change your duties a little. Always be interviewing to see if they could replace you. All the faces wee different, they'd changed the computer system 6 times in 6 years, the man who hired you was fired, and still you sat in your cubicle, neither valued nor secure, for a company in the red every month, awaiting the next manager above you to be fired so that he could once again change over the system, your coworkers, and maybe you might linger, or not. You can never be sure. If somebody tells me that's their situation and that they go to work with a smile and their face and a chipper song in their heart, I'd tell them they're a liar, and not even a good one.
Good effort, but comparing sports to a regular office is a fools game. If your are a sports player and expect to live in the same city your entire life, you are delusional. This happens all the time for normal people. People always want to talk about the money, but that doesn't matter. You adjust to your salary quickly, so I don't expect a multi-millionaire to enjoy a crappy job any more than a minimum-wage worker.

However, if you are a basketball player, and are improperly utilized by management you can feel like you got a raw deal. If a new set of management comes in, and they feel the same way about you, ok. But after numerous people have all come to the same conclusion, maybe it isn't a raw deal, maybe you a. aren't as good as you think you are or b. aren't making the effort needed to show it. JT seems like he is stuck with the former. Coming into this year was no different than being traded to a new team, the entire management structure was changed, nothing was the same except the facilities. If he was smart, he would have worked his ass off in the off-season, known there was a defensive coach coming in and improved that part of his game, and tried to impress once the ball got tossed, just like he would have to do for a new team, but that didn't happen, or it did and he doesn't have the talent to impress. Needless to say, the boo-hoo-hoo isn't helping him. Control the things you can control, like your attitude and effort. And stop complaining to newspapers, it won't help, regardless of how truthful it might be.
 
Boo hoo. The guy makes millions playing basketball. He's not an office worker making $42k a year. He needs to man up and quit crying. And it would be nice if he actually improved his game over the years....

It would be better if fans improved their own games and quit complaining about one of the steadiest players in the league not magically improving himself at age 28. He is what he is and has always been. If people are hoping for magical improvements, that nobody else in the entire league makes at that age...well JT isn't the problem in the equation. He is what he is. Aside from improving on the massive early career foul problems, he has pretty much been what he was since entering the league. And BTW, he's not the problem. Almost every team in the league has Jason Thompson on it.
 
It would be better if fans improved their own games and quit complaining about one of the steadiest players in the league not magically improving himself at age 28. He is what he is and has always been. If people are hoping for magical improvements, that nobody else in the entire league makes at that age...well JT isn't the problem in the equation. He is what he is. Aside from improving on the massive early career foul problems, he has pretty much been what he was since entering the league. And BTW, he's not the problem. Almost every team in the league has Jason Thompson on it.

JT is a lunch pale type of guy. He's not sexy and that seems to confuse the masses. Every playoff team has someone like him on the roster......
 
He's not, unless speaking truth = boo hooing when fans are embarrassed by that truth.

Apparently that's it. People twist things to suit their feelings about a player. Wish we could deal with facts and tolerate the ambiguity it inserts into our need for a simple minded view of people.
 
JT is a lunch pale type of guy. He's not sexy and that seems to confuse the masses. Every playoff team has someone like him on the roster......

I don't think he is pale or sexy but I get what you mean. :) And damn it, if we can't find humor in a statement like this, we have a long way to go.
 
Aside from improving on the massive early career foul problems, he has pretty much been what he was since entering the league. And BTW, he's not the problem.

Actually he is back to fouling like he's a rookie:
Season Fouls per/36
08/09 4.9
09/10 4.3
10/11 4.4
11/12 3.2
12/13 3.6
13/14 4.8

Since his contract year PER of 16.4 he now has a career worst PER of 10.4. His free throw attempts, steals, and offensive rebounds are all way down and turnovers are the only category that went up. Since those are all hustle categories, he just isn't trying as hard since he is signed for another 3 years. I argued against signing Landry because we already had Jason, but I think it's time to part ways with him.
 
Actually he is back to fouling like he's a rookie:
Season Fouls per/36
08/09 4.9
09/10 4.3
10/11 4.4
11/12 3.2
12/13 3.6
13/14 4.8

Since his contract year PER of 16.4 he now has a career worst PER of 10.4. His free throw attempts, steals, and offensive rebounds are all way down and turnovers are the only category that went up. Since those are all hustle categories, he just isn't trying as hard since he is signed for another 3 years. I argued against signing Landry because we already had Jason, but I think it's time to part ways with him.

Thank you for providing these stats for the "steadiest player in the league."
 
Thank you for providing these stats for the "steadiest player in the league."

I'm trying to figure out what your agenda in all this is.

You see, for me it's pretty simple. JT is a very good role-playing 3rd big, who bring qualities you want from a 3rd big including rebounding, hustle, get-out-of-the-way-ness, decent post defense, the ability to play both positions (which is huge), and a decent contract.

I spent quite a bit of time going through the entire league to look at each team's 3rd bigs to give you a chance to clearly prove that somehow JT as a player is no-where near good enough to be considered a team's 3rd big. I even made it easy on you as I went through and mentioned the players that I would take as my 3rd big over JT. I think I mentioned around 7 of them. So in my mind, if JT would be in the top 10-15 for 3rd bigs then that makes him a solid 3rd big. I don't know how you can look at the league and all the bigs out there and sometime convince me that Ryan Hollins or Darrell Arthur is somehow a step up in talent.

So are you saying that he isn't a quality 3rd big, if we were fortunately enough to procure another big to move him to the bench, or are you just saying that you don't like him. If you personally don't like him, that's your business, but it has nothing to do with what abilities he has and what his ideal role should be on an NBA basketball team.

I should also point at that the stats which you're so happy about which were provided by '89 Kings Fan were of his fouls/36. Considering that he's only getting 23 minutes a game this year, those numbers are not even true stats, but projections of what the stats might be if he were to play an additional 13 minutes a game. But since we know that Malone is playing JT limited minutes this year, its entirely possible that Malone has told JT to go out there, get physical and don't worry about fouls.

To somehow suggest that an increase in fouls/36, which isn't even a true number, refutes the idea that JT 'Is who he is' (to quote Bricklayer) makes zero sense at all.

Since the Rudy trade JT's PER is a bit above 10. In the last few years his PER has been between 11 and 13. So his minutes have dropped and 10 games into a revamped roster his PER has slightly declined, but you see, this actually supports the idea of JT being who he is.

He isn't a star and he isn't a bad player. Over the years he's shown to be a steady role-player.

My agenda is pretty clear on this, so again I ask, what exactly are you trying to convey with your negative comments towards JT?
 
I'm trying to figure out what your agenda in all this is.

You see, for me it's pretty simple. JT is a very good role-playing 3rd big, who bring qualities you want from a 3rd big including rebounding, hustle, get-out-of-the-way-ness, decent post defense, the ability to play both positions (which is huge), and a decent contract.

I spent quite a bit of time going through the entire league to look at each team's 3rd bigs to give you a chance to clearly prove that somehow JT as a player is no-where near good enough to be considered a team's 3rd big. I even made it easy on you as I went through and mentioned the players that I would take as my 3rd big over JT. I think I mentioned around 7 of them. So in my mind, if JT would be in the top 10-15 for 3rd bigs then that makes him a solid 3rd big. I don't know how you can look at the league and all the bigs out there and sometime convince me that Ryan Hollins or Darrell Arthur is somehow a step up in talent.

So are you saying that he isn't a quality 3rd big, if we were fortunately enough to procure another big to move him to the bench, or are you just saying that you don't like him. If you personally don't like him, that's your business, but it has nothing to do with what abilities he has and what his ideal role should be on an NBA basketball team.

I should also point at that the stats which you're so happy about which were provided by '89 Kings Fan were of his fouls/36. Considering that he's only getting 23 minutes a game this year, those numbers are not even true stats, but projections of what the stats might be if he were to play an additional 13 minutes a game. But since we know that Malone is playing JT limited minutes this year, its entirely possible that Malone has told JT to go out there, get physical and don't worry about fouls.

To somehow suggest that an increase in fouls/36, which isn't even a true number, refutes the idea that JT 'Is who he is' (to quote Bricklayer) makes zero sense at all.

Since the Rudy trade JT's PER is a bit above 10. In the last few years his PER has been between 11 and 13. So his minutes have dropped and 10 games into a revamped roster his PER has slightly declined, but you see, this actually supports the idea of JT being who he is.

He isn't a star and he isn't a bad player. Over the years he's shown to be a steady role-player.

My agenda is pretty clear on this, so again I ask, what exactly are you trying to convey with your negative comments towards JT?


Why does everything on this site have to be an "agenda" when one doesn't like a particular player? Does Bricklayer have an "agenda" against IT? It's not personal against JT. I don't know him. I just don't like his game at all. I can't stand his constant whining every time he goes up and gets his shot blocked or turns the ball over. The previous poster laid it all out. He hasn't gotten better since his rookie year. He's just as bad as ever now. He got his money and then put it on cruise control. I don't respect that. I would prefer him gone with a guy like Acy who plays with passion and energy to take his minutes for now.
 
Why does everything on this site have to be an "agenda" when one doesn't like a particular player? Does Bricklayer have an "agenda" against IT? It's not personal against JT. I don't know him. I just don't like his game at all. I can't stand his constant whining every time he goes up and gets his shot blocked or turns the ball over. The previous poster laid it all out. He hasn't gotten better since his rookie year. He's just as bad as ever now. He got his money and then put it on cruise control. I don't respect that. I would prefer him gone with a guy like Acy who plays with passion and energy to take his minutes for now.

You see none of what you are saying matters the slightest.

It doesn't matter if JT hasn't gotten better since his rookie year, because since his rookie year he's been good enough to be a quality 3rd big for the majority of the teams in the NBA.
It doesn't matter if he whines, or to the extent that he whines, unless that costs us pivotal games, and since that has never happened it's irrelevant.

As to Acy....I watched Acy play for years at Baylor and I always liked him. But he simply isn't the NBA player that JT is because he lacks the height and bulk to match up with the more dominant PFs out there and he can't remotely play the Center position.

I love Acy's hustle and energy, but JT is the better talent, and there is a reason why JT is in the starting line-up and Acy isn't.

The only thing I care about is this team becoming a championship quality team. I don't care who our 3rd big is, but JT is definitely good enough to be a 3rd big on a championship quality team, and for that reason I'm fine if he ends up playing that role. If he gets moved, then that's fine as well, but it's foolish to say you don't want him, when he brings the things that you need from a quality 3rd big.
 
You see none of what you are saying matters the slightest.

It doesn't matter if JT hasn't gotten better since his rookie year, because since his rookie year he's been good enough to be a quality 3rd big for the majority of the teams in the NBA.
It doesn't matter if he whines, or to the extent that he whines, unless that costs us pivotal games, and since that has never happened it's irrelevant.

As to Acy....I watched Acy play for years at Baylor and I always liked him. But he simply isn't the NBA player that JT is because he lacks the height and bulk to match up with the more dominant PFs out there and he can't remotely play the Center position.

I love Acy's hustle and energy, but JT is the better talent, and there is a reason why JT is in the starting line-up and Acy isn't.

The only thing I care about is this team becoming a championship quality team. I don't care who our 3rd big is, but JT is definitely good enough to be a 3rd big on a championship quality team, and for that reason I'm fine if he ends up playing that role. If he gets moved, then that's fine as well, but it's foolish to say you don't want him, when he brings the things that you need from a quality 3rd big.

OKAY
 
If you tell me you would react any differently if year after year at your job all of your coworkers were swapped out, year after year you got lukewarm support yourself, you were demoted, sometimes it looked like they'd fire you, but then they'd tepidly bring you back one more time. Change your duties a little. Always be interviewing to see if they could replace you. All the faces wee different, they'd changed the computer system 6 times in 6 years, the man who hired you was fired, and still you sat in your cubicle, neither valued nor secure, for a company in the red every month, awaiting the next manager above you to be fired so that he could once again change over the system, your coworkers, and maybe you might linger, or not. You can never be sure. If somebody tells me that's their situation and that they go to work with a smile and their face and a chipper song in their heart, I'd tell them they're a liar, and not even a good one.


hahaha yeah well of course you have to have a little understanding! However he will find no sympathy here...i spent 4 1/2 in the Army doing some hard and dirty work then traveled broke for another 4! I wish JT the best, but my friends see him partying waaaaay too much for me too feel sorrow for him ;)
 
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As to Acy....I watched Acy play for years at Baylor and I always liked him. But he simply isn't the NBA player that JT is because he lacks the height and bulk to match up with the more dominant PFs out there and he can't remotely play the Center position.
Oh no you didn't. Did you just bring up height in reference to defensive abilities? Tisk, tisk.

You have now joined the "prejudice against height" much maligned fan club. How dare you say such a thing. You must hate short people.
 
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