That's the one move that had me scratching my head. He's much better than JT.
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That's the one move that had me scratching my head. He's much better than JT.
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KingMilz
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Interesting, leaves Larry Sanders now as the only option but I remember reading we ruled him out.......
SacKings384
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Larry Sanders is an absolute headcase. Not someone we need on our team.
Chupacabra
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Gobbledygook and rigamarole:
http://www.sportsworldreport.com/ar...g-monroe-for-jason-terry-derrick-williams.htm
http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/11171/20140803/detroit-pistons-nba-rumors-josh-smith.htm
The first link is 1 day old. The second link is 3 days old.
http://www.sportsworldreport.com/ar...g-monroe-for-jason-terry-derrick-williams.htm
http://www.travelerstoday.com/articles/11171/20140803/detroit-pistons-nba-rumors-josh-smith.htm
The first link is 1 day old. The second link is 3 days old.
Sactown Shawn
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i wish they would hurry up and do something , been talking about this for 2 months
The links are new, but the info looks to be some real old retread stuff.
I concur with Brick's opinion from another thread - we sure look to be lining up a lot of deals and then not actually carrying them out. Casspi is the one that sticks out, but there's a bunch of smoke around Terrence Williams as well. It almost looks as if we're confident that a deal will go down (maybe we need to wait for the Kevin Love domino to fall?) but it sure seems like we're expecting some sort of action, at which point we'll then swoop in and sign Casspi and perhaps T-Will.
Chupacabra
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Indeed. Since the new ownership has taken over we've been the most aggressive franchise in the league. Its a matter of time until one of these deals goes through for us. I agree that it looks like we've just loaded up on pieces so that we're prepared once something sticks. Got to love it.
I dont remember seeing anything that stated the specifics as to which players were involved in the potential deal. I thought id go ahead and share this as it gives some insight as to whom those players are, however accurate it may be.
ockingsfan
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I think the 2016 second round pick from the Act/outlaw trader maybe used to sweeten the deal for josh smith. I think the josh smith trade will go down after Kevin love is traded.
TonyTouch21
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Crossing my fingers.
Bricklayer
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its possible, whether the target ends up as Smith or somebody else. We notoriously don't have access to our first round picks for use in trade because of that lingering Casspi/Hickson mess. We've been slinging 2nds around like party favors in the last year, and its hard to see what else could have been a realistic target of that trade with NY.
Wondering where Indiana's heads are right now as well in wake of the George disaster.
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KingMilz
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If I were Indiana I would try move David West now he's bound to slow down over the next couple seasons and he's still got good value to get something back.
Tetsujin
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And if I were the Kings and the Pacers called and offered David West, I would laugh them out of the building.
ParniValjak
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Now that Love to Cavs trade is allegedly in place, it will be interesting to see if there is any movement on Josh Smith front.
I still think we might not have what it takes to pull it off but it will be interesting to see if the action picks up again for us!
I still think we might not have what it takes to pull it off but it will be interesting to see if the action picks up again for us!
LPKingsFan
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I never thought I'd find myself in the position of defending andremiller07, but they appeared to refer to the idea of Indiana trading West in general, not necessarily to the Kings, no?
Tetsujin
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It seemed to be implied that we could inquire about David West now. Now obviously, I could be completely mistaken (wouldn't be the first or the last time that's happened).
ockingsfan
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Agreed.
He is a more overpaid and slightly larger and better rebounding version of Carl Landry.
UNLESS, the Pacers take back our smaller, less over paid version of David West, Carl Landry in the trade. We would shave a year off our contract to Landry and Keep JT as an ideal third big behind DMC. Plus we would have a huge $12 million ending contract next year, to help expedite the rebuild.
rhythmless
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David West/Millsap are the ultimate version of the mold (offensively efficient slightly undersized rebounding pf with midrange). Carl Landry is a poor mans version of those two and, I would argue, more overpaid than those two. West and Millsap are starters on playoff teams. Landry is not. Add in the fact that West is the heart and soul of the Pacers, and you have a guy that is the ultimate vet. That's worth a lot. He hustles, he bangs, he tries, he keeps guys accountable while still being likable and respected. He spaces the floor, he plays good man defense.
Chupacabra
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David West is a lethal offensive weapon. I've always felt that he is the Pacers go-to guy. He's capable of averaging 20-10.
Tetsujin
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Actually he is a worse rebounder per minute than Landry (though his defensive numbers are slightly better)
Albatros
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When you look at what the Wolves managed to acquire for Kevin Love it's amusing now we thought Ben Mac and the 8 would be enough.
I really like the deal for both teams.
as for Josh Smith, still don't see it happening, he would have to be an unspeakable locker room poison for Detroit to move him for what we're offering. No reason why he can't bounce back playing at PF for Detroit.
I really like the deal for both teams.
as for Josh Smith, still don't see it happening, he would have to be an unspeakable locker room poison for Detroit to move him for what we're offering. No reason why he can't bounce back playing at PF for Detroit.
ockingsfan
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Except for the fact that the Pistons and Stan Van Gundy seem to prefer Greg Monroe as their power forward next to Drummond.
If and when Monroe is resigned, Josh Smith will have to play out of position at Small Forward again and his trade value will further diminish.
By midseason, his trade value would be even lower, considering he is owed 3 years and $42 million and the Kings will be able to keep their 2nd rounder and Detroit will be begging the Kings to take that contract.
Also, I don't see many teams willing to take on such a massive contract after the year he had in Detroit and I suspect 1 more year at Small forward on the Pistons may make him untradable.
roasthawg
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Stoked how that worked out for both teams. Wolves got a monster haul for Love which is great... hate to see a franchise go the route of Oralando when they lost Dwight. Cleveland will be unbelievably entertaining to watch this year.
Where there's smoke there's fire as far as I'm concerned with Josh... Detroit may be inclined to dump him and not sure there would be many other takers.
KingsCitizen
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I'd still be interested in acquiring Smith but not a a price of Derrick Williams, especially that we have now shipped our ever reliable SF back-up in named Travis 
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If I'm PDA, I'd call Detroit one last time. JT + Terry + the NY 2nd rd pick for Smith.
JT gives them an insurance if Monroe turns sour after all the wait.
And Terry gives them a chance for a buyout to entice Monroe for a bigger paycheck.
.If I'm PDA, I'd call Detroit one last time. JT + Terry + the NY 2nd rd pick for Smith.
JT gives them an insurance if Monroe turns sour after all the wait.
And Terry gives them a chance for a buyout to entice Monroe for a bigger paycheck.
LPKingsFan
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I'd still be interested in acquiring Smith but not a a price of Derrick Williams, especially that we have now shipped our ever reliable SF back-up in named Travis
If I'm PDA, I'd call Detroit one last time. JT + Terry + the NY 2nd rd pick for Smith.
JT gives them an insurance if Monroe turns sour after all the wait.
And Terry gives them a chance for a buyout to entice Monroe for a bigger paycheck.
Derrick Williams should not be what comes between this team and Josh Smith. He's likely a goner next summer, if not sooner.
Telemachus
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I'd still be interested in acquiring Smith but not a a price of Derrick Williams, especially that we have now shipped our ever reliable SF back-up in named Travis
If I'm PDA, I'd call Detroit one last time. JT + Terry + the NY 2nd rd pick for Smith.
JT gives them an insurance if Monroe turns sour after all the wait.
And Terry gives them a chance for a buyout to entice Monroe for a bigger paycheck.
I would much rather keep JT than Derrick Williams.
macadocious
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Salary Cap. Williams is on an ender, JT has 3 years left. JT or Landry or Both have to go to bring back Smith unless we want to be a cap crippled team for 3 years with 3 high usage, highly paid talents that are good enough to maybe squeak you into the playoffs.
I would much rather keep JT than DWill.
Agreed, though as it is pointed out Williams is an ending contract and JT is not. Definitely changes the dynamics. That said, I'd rather trade Landry than JT. Their contracts are pretty similar and Landry actually makes some sense for Detroit. Assuming they resign Monroe it gives them a hard nosed veteran PF who can play with either Drummond or Monroe (with the latter sliding to C when Landry is paired with him) and most importantly, Landry's strength is post scoring, something neither Drummond or Monroe are (to this point at least) adept at.
Bench scoring, a veteran voice and an athletic SF in Williams who at the very least is a stop gap and then salary relief but could be more with consistent starter's minutes. Not a bad return for the Pistons if they really are looking to dump Josh Smith.
As for the Kings, they'd potentially have Casspi and possibly Terrence Williams to back up Gay. And it seems at times they may go small with Stauskas at the 3 as well. I liked DWill's size and athleticism at the 3 but from a production standpoint I don't think the Kings would be hurt if he was moved.
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