Jordan Hill for Pattrick Patterson?

[KingMilz]

We need a defensive big who can rebound, while Hill is not a elite shot blocker the dude plays excellent D due to his length and mobility and gives unlimited effort, he is currently being poorly used by Mike D in LA since he's not a stretch 4 and plays really limited mins and when he does a monster on the glass and excellent at rolling to the rim.

Patterson is a perfect fit for the Mike D system, he can shoot and pass and would most likely even as bad as he has been for us start together with Pau.

What would Kings fans think about getting Hill as our defensive big who can play either PF/C?

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Don't we already have that player type in Jason Thompson?

 

[KingMilz]

Don't we already have that player type in Jason Thompson?

Having two of them wouldn't hurt, plus I think Hill is a much better defender and far better at rolling to the rim (we don't have a single big that picks n rolls well they all pick n pop).

 

[c-webb1s#1]

We need to put together a package for Asik! Now is as good of a time as any

 

[cuad]

Hell no. Jordan Hill is awful, like the next Mikki Moore.

 

[Bricklayer]

I wouldn't mind it in concept, but would really love to do something with more likely impact.

+ two offcourt questions with Patterson:

1) a minor gripe with Malone gushing over PPat as if he was Voison and had snuck a peak at him in the shower. Was he serious? Given his apparent Landry love is he prone to these sorts of wild enthusiasm about mature undersized 1 dimensional sorta PFs?

2) Cousins. He and PPat go back. Think PPat even made some statement about Cuz being his little brother or something last year.

Would one, the other, or both of the above men, the two most important men in the franchise for us right now, have issues with moving PPat for reasons entirely unrelated to his anemic oncourt production?

 

[TheBadGuy]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-clippers-trade-deandre-jordan-want-ring-204600222--nba.html

instead of Jordan Hill, why not DeAndre Jordan? he's more athletic, can defend and also kinda expensive.

 

[notoriousBEN3]

I highly doubt Deandre is available. Whatever we have available to trade would not help the Clips more than Jordan does

 

[mac]

I highly doubt Deandre is available. Whatever we have available to trade would not help the Clips more than Jordan does

Are you suggesting that a package of any one of our non-rebounding big men + multiple time all-star John Salmons in the 12th year of his prime will not be sufficient to net us one of the best up and coming defensive bigs in the league?

 

[Bricklayer]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/why-clippers-trade-deandre-jordan-want-ring-204600222--nba.html

instead of Jordan Hill, why not DeAndre Jordan? he's more athletic, can defend and also kinda expensive.

that's one of those yahoo commentary things by some numbnuts kid who doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. Yeah, teams routinely trade their centers because they can't shoot FTs, because how are you going to win without FTs. Duh. Our new part owner is laughing at this stupidity. So is Ben Wallace. Dennis Rodman. Tim Duncan. Wilt Chamberalin. Etc.

General point being pay no attention to yahoo "commentaries", half of them are written by the kid who mows your lawn. DeAndre isn't going anywhere, least of all because some amateur commentator radically overestimates the importance of FT shooting to a big man's value.

 

[KingMilz]

Jordan Hill is a demon on the boards and he his pick n roll ability is very good he's got good quickness on it, it's a shame the Lakers don't play him more but I really think he could help us out more than any other big, him and Cousins on the glass on both ends would just be nasty and relentless.

 

[KingsFanGER]

Jordan Hill is a demon on the boards and he his pick n roll ability is very good he's got good quickness on it, it's a shame the Lakers don't play him more but I really think he could help us out more than any other big, him and Cousins on the glass on both ends would just be nasty and relentless.

I agree. Once Landry is finally healthy again, we would have a nice 3 man rotation of Cousins, Hill and Landry. Maybe keep Patterson as a 4th big and ship out Thompson and Hayes. Sounds like a plan to improve the overall toughness of the Kings.

 

[twslam07]

Jordan Hill is a demon on the boards and he his pick n roll ability is very good he's got good quickness on it, it's a shame the Lakers don't play him more but I really think he could help us out more than any other big, him and Cousins on the glass on both ends would just be nasty and relentless.

I really like Hill. He is a solid big to have on your team. I've always seen him as a player who would be a great third big off the bench, but for whatever reason, he has never been placed in that role. The most minutes he averaged in a season was 16 mpg and that was his rookie year.

The guy has tools that gel with a playoff team. Size, strength, athleticism, defense, shotblocking, rebounding, midrange shooting. He has the makings to be a very good complimentary big. I'm not sure I've seen enough of him to state that he is starting material, but I think he has a place in this league as a third big on a playoff team.

 

[Hadlowe]

He is a defensive and rebounding upgrade over Thompson, but his offensive game is about the same as Chuck Hayes, just a few inches higher from the ground. He is redundant with JT, but otherwise is an upgrade over every big on our team not named Cousins.

The Lakers already have 2 1/2 stretch 4s on the team. Shawne Williams is essentially identical to Patterson but a bit more of a thug (not always a bad thing.) They also picked up a 6'11"Ryan Kelly out of Duke in the second round. Word is that Mike D'antoni is trying to turn 6'7", 205 lb Wesley "the guy drafted before Cousins" Johnson into a stretch 4 as well because interior defense and rebounding is for chumps. (grumble grumble)

 

[KingMilz]

He is a defensive and rebounding upgrade over Thompson, but his offensive game is about the same as Chuck Hayes, just a few inches higher from the ground. He is redundant with JT, but otherwise is an upgrade over every big on our team not named Cousins.

The Lakers already have 2 1/2 stretch 4s on the team. Shawne Williams is essentially identical to Patterson but a bit more of a thug (not always a bad thing.) They also picked up a 6'11"Ryan Kelly out of Duke in the second round. Word is that Mike D'antoni is trying to turn 6'7", 205 lb Wesley "the guy drafted before Cousins" Johnson into a stretch 4 as well because interior defense and rebounding is for chumps. (grumble grumble)

Not true about his offense he rolls to the rim with the best of them and is athletic like JT where he can extend and finish over the defense, his offence is like JT with a lesser jumper shot and better off the ball movement much better he's a fairly smart player. I agree with you on everything else.

 

[TheBadGuy]

JT & Hamady for Hill & Sacre.

 

[KingMilz]

With the way Hill has been beasting it's safe to say this has zero chance of occuring

 

[twslam07]

With the way Hill has been beasting it's safe to say this has zero chance of occuring

Agreed. It's funny because I mentioned how he's never really gotten a real opportunity earlier in this thread (see below).

I really like Hill. He is a solid big to have on your team. I've always seen him as a player who would be a great third big off the bench, but for whatever reason, he has never been placed in that role. The most minutes he averaged in a season was 16 mpg and that was his rookie year.

The guy has tools that gel with a playoff team. Size, strength, athleticism, defense, shotblocking, rebounding, midrange shooting. He has the makings to be a very good complimentary big. I'm not sure I've seen enough of him to state that he is starting material, but I think he has a place in this league as a third big on a playoff team.

Boy, is he taking advantage of his opportunity now.

I've always seen him as a great third big off the bench for a playoff team, but the way he is playing right now, I might have to change my opinion on him. I'm definitely keeping a close eye on him this year.

 

[Cold]

I like Hill's game more than JT's. Hill has produced nicely when given minutes the last 40 or so games. However, Ppat won't net us Jordan Hill.

The Houston version of PPat could have. But this version has lost some value.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Yea, We aren't getting Hill for free. No reason for the Lakers to trade him to us for Patterson. Now, they need a point guard and we have two. That seems more likely.

 

[twslam07]

Yea, We aren't getting Hill for free. No reason for the Lakers to trade him to us for Patterson. Now, they need a point guard and we have two. That seems more likely.

Unfortunately, Hill is an unrestricted free agent after this season so trading for him could potentially just be a one year rental.

 

[KingMilz]

Yea, We aren't getting Hill for free. No reason for the Lakers to trade him to us for Patterson. Now, they need a point guard and we have two. That seems more likely.

We could have before the Lakers realised they had a good PF/C but hey everyone on here would have said JT was better than him anyway which he's not.

 

[The_Jamal]

Hill is a weird player. He's never been "bad" for any team he's played on, but he's never gotten a chance to get starter minutes either. He's a tenacious rebounder, decent defender, and he's very "Faried" esq with his energy. Anytime I watch the Lakers, he immediately stands out.

Unfortunately, I think the Lakers are finally starting to realize this is a guy that can be apart of their post-Kobe core. So he won't be cheap. You might be able to get them to bite on a JT swap for him or something, but then you run the risk of losing Hill in UFA.

 

[KingMilz]

Hill is a weird player. He's never been "bad" for any team he's played on, but he's never gotten a chance to get starter minutes either. He's a tenacious rebounder, decent defender, and he's very "Faried" esq with his energy. Anytime I watch the Lakers, he immediately stands out.

Unfortunately, I think the Lakers are finally starting to realize this is a guy that can be apart of their post-Kobe core. So he won't be cheap. You might be able to get them to bite on a JT swap for him or something, but then you run the risk of losing Hill in UFA.

Yeah I agree the thing that impresses me the most other than his energy is his off the ball and movement and the way he rolls to the rim is at a elite level, no chance they give him up for Thompson unless they think they can't afford to keep him which could be the case if he keeps beasting like this which he should since Shawn Williams sucks and Kaman has not been the same player since he left the other LA team.

 

[bajaden]

He is a defensive and rebounding upgrade over Thompson, but his offensive game is about the same as Chuck Hayes, just a few inches higher from the ground. He is redundant with JT, but otherwise is an upgrade over every big on our team not named Cousins.

The Lakers already have 2 1/2 stretch 4s on the team. Shawne Williams is essentially identical to Patterson but a bit more of a thug (not always a bad thing.) They also picked up a 6'11"Ryan Kelly out of Duke in the second round. Word is that Mike D'antoni is trying to turn 6'7", 205 lb Wesley "the guy drafted before Cousins" Johnson into a stretch 4 as well because interior defense and rebounding is for chumps. (grumble grumble)

Not sure where you got the idea that Hill couldn't jump, but he's a very good athlete. He posted a 35 inch vertical at the combine, which is excellent for a big man. The knock on him coming out of college was that he was raw on the offensive side of the ball. The reason being, was that he had only played basketball for a couple of years prior to college, so he's a late bloomer. It looks like he's starting to come into his own. Which, if correct, is the time to pluck him up. Of course that's what we did with James Johnson, and that worked out well. Just giving both sides of the story...

 

[Hadlowe]

Not sure where you got the idea that Hill couldn't jump, but he's a very good athlete. He posted a 35 inch vertical at the combine, which is excellent for a big man. The knock on him coming out of college was that he was raw on the offensive side of the ball. The reason being, was that he had only played basketball for a couple of years prior to college, so he's a late bloomer. It looks like he's starting to come into his own. Which, if correct, is the time to pluck him up. Of course that's what we did with James Johnson, and that worked out well. Just giving both sides of the story...

I didn't say he couldn't jump, although I could have been clearer. His offense comes within 5 feet of the hoop and is largely limited to putbacks and uncontested dunks and layups.

He's been a pretty good hustle player for a couple of years, but was just far enough down in the rotation in Houston and then in LA that he didn't get much burn behind Gasol, Bynum and then Howard. Last year he was hurt most of the year. He's the only big man who is playing well for the Lakers right now. Pau has lost it over the last three years. Kayman looks old and soft. I think you could get either one of those two much easier than you could get Jordan Hill from them right now. Mitch Kupchak hasn't done great the last few years, but Hill is one of the few positive things he has done.

 

[Cold]

He was garbage in NY but has figured out his niche.

I really like his game. A homeless man's Dennis Rodman. Has a nose for every loose ball and gets his hand on everything. He also has excellent length and strength for a PF and can slide to 5 in limited minutes.

30 teams in the NBA can use a guy like that off the bench.

 

[twslam07]

I didn't say he couldn't jump, although I could have been clearer. His offense comes within 5 feet of the hoop and is largely limited to putbacks and uncontested dunks and layups.

He's been a pretty good hustle player for a couple of years, but was just far enough down in the rotation in Houston and then in LA that he didn't get much burn behind Gasol, Bynum and then Howard. Last year he was hurt most of the year. He's the only big man who is playing well for the Lakers right now. Pau has lost it over the last three years. Kayman looks old and soft. I think you could get either one of those two much easier than you could get Jordan Hill from them right now. Mitch Kupchak hasn't done great the last few years, but Hill is one of the few positive things he has done.

His offense comes within 5 feet? Hill is able to knock down open jumpers as well. He is a career 36% from 10-15 ft and 35% from 16-23 ft, and he averages 1.6 10-23 ft attempts per 15 minutes played. I think that is much more than you can say for Hayes.

 

[Cold]

36% from 10-15 feet isn't bad. Anything around 40% from that range is considered solid. It's a difficult area to shoot from.

 

[bajaden]

I didn't say he couldn't jump, although I could have been clearer. His offense comes within 5 feet of the hoop and is largely limited to putbacks and uncontested dunks and layups.

He's been a pretty good hustle player for a couple of years, but was just far enough down in the rotation in Houston and then in LA that he didn't get much burn behind Gasol, Bynum and then Howard. Last year he was hurt most of the year. He's the only big man who is playing well for the Lakers right now. Pau has lost it over the last three years. Kayman looks old and soft. I think you could get either one of those two much easier than you could get Jordan Hill from them right now. Mitch Kupchak hasn't done great the last few years, but Hill is one of the few positive things he has done.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. When one thinks of Hayes, its not only his lack of height, but his inability to leave the ground. I agree on acquiring Hill. If I'm the Lakers, I resign him. Of course its ultimately up to him. They'll certainly have plenty of cash since they'll only have two players under contract for sure, Nash and Sacre, and probably Young, since his is any ETO, which is really a player option. Bascily, they'll be starting from scratch, but with plenty of money to work with. About 52 mil to be exact. You can sign several good players with that much money. They have a hard decision on Kobe. Probably depends on how much money he wants.