John Salmons/Brad Miller
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Bricklayer
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Ok yes, undoubtedly. But the opponent is important here. And I say just as someone who has been unfortunate enough to watch the Knicks a lot this season -- they make EVERYONE look like this. If it hadn't have been John and Brad, it would have been Beno and Mikki. But SOMEBODY is going to have a huge night every night against thos sad sacks -- there is no resistance of any kind. Its just pathetic.
If they do it again vs. the Cavs, that'll be more the real deal.
If they do it again vs. the Cavs, that'll be more the real deal.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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even for the knicks, the kings beating a team like that missing our top 3 players is rediculous
Bibby is not one of our top three players.
Rockmeister
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Last year, I really got down on Brad for not rebounding, however, I really think Brad has been doing great in the rebounding department so far. Keep it up.
Bricklayer
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No...not really.
Trust me -- been watching this Knicks "show" (passively, in the background mostly) out of morbid curiosity, and there is nothig worse in basketball right now. Its a complete embarassment, and the opponent really doesn;t matter. Mentioend it early in the game thread pre-game -- they just don't care and half the tiem do not show up at all. Anyody can crush them at any time, and there is just no response. And if anything it may actually be worse for them at "home" in that environment -- that crowd may wish them more ill htan any road crowd.
Brad and John had great games (to get back on topic). Its just that there is basically one of these threads started up somewhere for somebody after every single Knicks game. They are a walking career-high factory.
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Kingzrool
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I'll bite. I thought I was a Bibby hater, but I would still put him at #3. You started it, your top 5 current Kings please?
piksi
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Right now Martin, Artest, Salmons are better than Bibby was in the last couple years
Kingzrool
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Wow. You may just be right. I have always liked Salmons as a pick up and he has been playing pretty good if also inconsistent. But now that you mention it, Bibby is the king of inconsistency. And when was the last time he put up over 30 points AND 11 rebounds (and 6 assists and 6 steals)? Salmons better than Bibby? Could actually be a fact. I guess to really decide, we will have to wait till Bibby returns
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piksi
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The part that lifts Salmons over Bibby is called defense
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yup, Michael Bibby hasnt played like Michael Bibby for the last season and a half, injury not withstanding. You can count the number of good games he's had since 2006 pretty much on 1 hand. Will be interesting to see which Mike we see, the 'clutch' Mike that we knew the first 5 1/2 years, or the 4-13 every game Mike we've seen the last year and a half.
Kingzrool
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I hear that.
Circa_1985_Fan
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No kidding!
PurpleHaze
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Forget looking just at offensive stats. The point is Salmons is light years better on D than Bibby. Bibby is one of the slowest and weakest defensive PG's in the entire NBA. I'm not a Bibby hater, although I'd like him traded ASAP along with his $14 million contract due next season.
bajaden
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I have to agree with Bricky about the Knicks. I also have been watching them. And once again,with morbid curiosity. The strange thing about it is that they actually have some talent on the team, which has to say something about the coaching. They are a Dr. Jeckel and Mr. Hyde team. Every once in while they'll jump up and bite another team in the butt. You just hope its not yours.
Bottom line. The Kings did what they were susposed to do tonight and I'll give them credit for that. A win is a win and you take them where ever you find them. Brad's rebounding has been pretty consistant all year. Just shows what being in shape can do.
Bottom line. The Kings did what they were susposed to do tonight and I'll give them credit for that. A win is a win and you take them where ever you find them. Brad's rebounding has been pretty consistant all year. Just shows what being in shape can do.
Circa_1985_Fan
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He's having a decent year...and works for me, beings that it boosts his trade value...hey, some team just MIGHT want to give Geoff Petrie a call about B-52.
MassachusettsKingsFan
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eh, first off, i do like bibby alot, actually hes my fav player.
so obviously im going to disagree with salmons being better than him.. salmons has been better this year then bibby has been this year ( obv ) and last year ( he was hurt ). rebounds are pretty much out of the discussion cause bibby is a pg, which i think is the hardest position in the league. i'd say bibby is a top 20 pg in the league, where salmons is a top 40 swingman... they do different things, so its hard to say whos better, ill go with bibby and i rather have bibby out there than salmons if i had a choice.. just on our team alone we have 2 players better than salmons at salmons position (artest,martin) and garcia is close. beno is not better than bibby.
so obviously im going to disagree with salmons being better than him.. salmons has been better this year then bibby has been this year ( obv ) and last year ( he was hurt ). rebounds are pretty much out of the discussion cause bibby is a pg, which i think is the hardest position in the league. i'd say bibby is a top 20 pg in the league, where salmons is a top 40 swingman... they do different things, so its hard to say whos better, ill go with bibby and i rather have bibby out there than salmons if i had a choice.. just on our team alone we have 2 players better than salmons at salmons position (artest,martin) and garcia is close. beno is not better than bibby.
PurpleHaze
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Quote from Wikipeda on Isiah Thomas: On June 22, 2006 the New York Knicks fired coach Larry Brown and Thomas replaced him. Team owner James Dolan said that he would give Thomas one year to turn around the Knicks and make them a better franchise or he would be fired.
Dolan sat court side tonight with his head bowed down in only shot of him I saw. Thomas rarely if at all got up off the bench to coach or banter with refs from what I could see, which has been the norm since he lost control of his team. I can only think of one reason Dolan hasn't booted his "FIRE ISIAH!!" head coach. He doesn't want to eat the huge remaining contract. Isn't he still paying the fired Larry Brown?
piksi
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that is his strength for sure
Gary
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When the kings are minus players it seems the ones that are there know their roles a bit better than when we are not.
I think the Kings suffer from too many shooters on the floor trying to get their shots, and not approaching the game to play a specific role.
As it stands now Garcia is out there to score, Salmons, Udrih, and Miller too. Moore is out there to play D, and slash to the basket after setting a pick. If Artest, Martin, and Bibby were out there than that takes about 40-45 shots away from the rest of them. Not saying that's a bad thing, but It seems the other players try to get their shots still when the others are in the game. This leads to a lot of 1 vs. 1 play, and contested jumpers.
That's why I would rather have 2-3 main scorers, and 7 roleplayers on my team than 4-5 scorers and 3 roleplayers.
I think the Kings suffer from too many shooters on the floor trying to get their shots, and not approaching the game to play a specific role.
As it stands now Garcia is out there to score, Salmons, Udrih, and Miller too. Moore is out there to play D, and slash to the basket after setting a pick. If Artest, Martin, and Bibby were out there than that takes about 40-45 shots away from the rest of them. Not saying that's a bad thing, but It seems the other players try to get their shots still when the others are in the game. This leads to a lot of 1 vs. 1 play, and contested jumpers.
That's why I would rather have 2-3 main scorers, and 7 roleplayers on my team than 4-5 scorers and 3 roleplayers.
First off, I don't care if it was the Knicks. It was still fun to watch. And John and Brad took advantage and did what players are supposed to do against inferior teams.
I'm gonna milk this game for every little bit of joy I possibly can; I'll probably come crashing back to earth on Friday. (Of course, that's assuming I even have power to watch - or listen to - the game.)
I'm gonna milk this game for every little bit of joy I possibly can; I'll probably come crashing back to earth on Friday. (Of course, that's assuming I even have power to watch - or listen to - the game.)
Yeah you're exactly right. Back in the golden years we had Peja and Webber as our main scorers. Bibby was a roleplayer and then slowly started to become more of a main scorer as the years went by and as injuries happened to Webb and Peja. Everybody else on those teams were roleplayers with Divac, Christie and as our "super" role players.
This year we have Martin and then ??? as our 2nd scorer. Salmons is good but he's inconsistant. Artest is the same way and we know Bibby is gonna try and be that scorer when he comes back. When you think about it in their prime, guy's like Webb and Peja barely had nights off where they scored 10 and under. Salmons gets shut down every few games and barely scores. Artest and Bibby always score but half the time its on a low %, which is just as bad as barely scoring at all on a few shots.
We don't have any real "super" role players either who can fill up the stat sheet. Miller is the closest thing to that but for some reason his offense doesn't look nearly as good as it did 2+ years ago. Beno is decent but he has too many nights where he shoots under 33%. Garcia is talented but wildly inconsistant. Douby is garbage right now. Mikki Moore would be a decent role player off the bench, but with our lack of talent he is starting. I'd like to see Justin Williams in a bit more so we can see what he brings under the basket. Spencer Hawes is going to be decent but right now he's 3rd on the depth chart as far as producing goes.
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