Joe Maloof Says "Kings Want to Extend Ron Artest"

[Purple Reign]

For you "Ron-Ron" fans, Joe Maloof JUST said on the Jim Rome Show this that the Kings want to keep Ron Artest "at least for another season". That it is up to him, whether he will be here next year (because of his option), but that if possible THEY WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND HIM!!!.

 

[Rockmeister]

Why did you put and then this .

 

[VF21]

Ron-Ron is now officially doomed. If you recall, any time the Maloofs say something like that, the end is near. Ask Chris, Peja or even Bobby Jackson.

And one other thing? What else could he say? That they think he's a nutjob and want him gone? That wouldn't be good for anyone. Neither Joe or Gavin would possibly say anything different at this point in time. I'm not saying he's being untruthful; I'm simply saying what he says to Jim Rome is meaningless in the long term.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Ron-Ron is now officially doomed. If you recall, any time the Maloofs say something like that, the end is near. Ask Chris, Peja or even Bobby Jackson.

I hope you're right. I can't stand staying put in mediocre land for another season, yet that's what the Maloofs and GP seem to be content on doing. It won't be hard to get rid of Ron, just depends on how bad we want to do it.

 

[PurpleHaze]

I'd say it's about 60-40 that Artest will not opt out and get a one-year extension from the Kings. RonRon has been making comments like, "next year we'll be better for sure... I'm looking forward to playing with Spencer, and helping the young guys get better..." etc. Obviously, he can and does say just about anything, but it appears Artest doesn't hate being in Sactown.

 

[VF21]

He has one year left on his contract. If he stays that won't be an extension. An extension would take his contract past 2009.

 

[VF21]

I hope you're right. I can't stand staying put in mediocre land for another season, yet that's what the Maloofs and GP seem to be content on doing. It won't be hard to get rid of Ron, just depends on how bad we want to do it.

At some point, this just gets old. The Maloofs do not want to be mediocre. They want to WIN. If you'd ever seen them on the side of the court during a game, you would have no doubt of it.

Geoff Petrie does not want to be mediocre.

You can disagree with their philosophy on how to move forward, but the whole idea that they don't want to win is ludicrous. If anything, they've wanted to win too much and have put off taking what some people think are necessary steps to get worse in order to get better in the long run.

 

[Purple Reign]

Why did you put and then this .

Because in typical Ron-Ron fashion, one day I absolutely love him for what he does on the court and want to keep him for life - . The next day I want to ship his arse out of town because of the stupid stuff he says and does off the court and would rather not deal with it - .

 

[Purple Reign]

He has one year left on his contract. If he stays that won't be an extension. An extension would take his contract past 2009.

What I got from the conversation is they will wait for him to either stay or opt out. In 2008-09, i he is here then the team will decide whether they would like to extend him beyond the 2009-10. But Joe Maloof said he wants Ron Artest here.

 

[NoBonus]

By saying the Kings want to extend his contract, it potentially increases Ron's trade value as other GMs see this as a player the Kings are looking at long-term. This may be just a ploy to increase Ron's trade value.

As far as keeping Ron, at least he is not too expensive, so as long as the extension is not too long or for too much money, it will not be bad.

 

[bajaden]

Because in typical Ron-Ron fashion, one day I absolutely love him for what he does on the court and want to keep him for life - . The next day I want to ship his arse out of town because of the stupid stuff he says and does off the court and would rather not deal with it - .

DITTO...

 

[Dime Dropper]

At some point, this just gets old. The Maloofs do not want to be mediocre. They want to WIN. If you'd ever seen them on the side of the court during a game, you would have no doubt of it.

Geoff Petrie does not want to be mediocre.

You can disagree with their philosophy on how to move forward, but the whole idea that they don't want to win is ludicrous. If anything, they've wanted to win too much and have put off taking what some people think are necessary steps to get worse in order to get better in the long run.

Fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. I don't think Geoff or the Kings have done anything notable recently which would suggest we are really looking to rebuild. The Bibby deal was for expirings, which we can now see with Sheldons lack of PT. The constant mediocre MLE signings such as Moore, SAR etc., just back this up further. The Maloofs may want to win, but their blatant lack of guts to all-out rebuild is stopping them from becoming competitive in the future. They have not been aggressive in trying to bring in young talent or aquire draft picks (picks have been bought - I find it hard to believe we couldn't have done that).

You can view it whatever way you like, I don't have a problem. But I'm really not convinced the Maloofs are trying too hard to rebuild. It's abundantly clear this team does not have the pieces to contend. They're just putting off the inevitable in order to get the oh-so-desirable 40 wins. Cheering on the sidelines for a pointless (in terms of achievement) win is not going to make me believe they are doing whats best for the Kings future.

 

[Entity]

By saying the Kings want to extend his contract, it potentially increases Ron's trade value as other GMs see this as a player the Kings are looking at long-term. This may be just a ploy to increase Ron's trade value.

As far as keeping Ron, at least he is not too expensive, so as long as the extension is not too long or for too much money, it will not be bad.

Exactly my thoughts. If you want to keep trade value at it highest point you act as if you want the guy to stay around forever because he is so great. I would imagine you will see more stories like this coming from GP as well before next season.

It also doesn't hurt that Ron is playing great basketball right now. He is being effective on both ends and not hogging the ball. He is a contenders dream right now a perfect person to push someone just on the outside to just over the top.

 

[TaxMan]

The Bibby deal was for expirings, which we can now see with Sheldons lack of PT. The constant mediocre MLE signings such as Moore, SAR etc., just back this up further. The Maloofs may want to win, but their blatant lack of guts to all-out rebuild is stopping them from becoming competitive in the future. They have not been aggressive in trying to bring in young talent or aquire draft picks (picks have been bought - I find it hard to believe we couldn't have done that).

How is trading Bibby for expirings not a rebuilding move? You can question that they may not be doing it as fast as you'd like, but that move is a big signal that they have moved on. I would suspect they don't want to blow the whole thing up completely because attendance would plummet farther than it already has. While most on this board recognize the value of a rebuilding season, the average fan will not buy a ticket to see the junk that you get during a rebuild.

 

[VF21]

Fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. I don't think Geoff or the Kings have done anything notable recently which would suggest we are really looking to rebuild. The Bibby deal was for expirings, which we can now see with Sheldons lack of PT. The constant mediocre MLE signings such as Moore, SAR etc., just back this up further. The Maloofs may want to win, but their blatant lack of guts to all-out rebuild is stopping them from becoming competitive in the future. They have not been aggressive in trying to bring in young talent or aquire draft picks (picks have been bought - I find it hard to believe we couldn't have done that).

You can view it whatever way you like, I don't have a problem. But I'm really not convinced the Maloofs are trying too hard to rebuild. It's abundantly clear this team does not have the pieces to contend. They're just putting off the inevitable in order to get the oh-so-desirable 40 wins. Cheering on the sidelines for a pointless (in terms of achievement) win is not going to make me believe they are doing whats best for the Kings future.

The Maloofs own the team. Why on earth would they want to continue in mediocrity? AS I SAID BEFORE - and you chose to gloss over - had you ever seen the Maloofs at courtside during a game, you would be in a much better position to understand them as far as wanting to win. They do want to win; they're just not sure exactly the right way to do it. And neither is anyone else. If it was that easy, there would be a lot more championship teams.

The oh-so-desirable 40 wins? Desirable to whom exactly?

As far as dumping Bibby for expirings, IF that was the only purpose then even that is a step in a rebuilding direction.

We'll agree to disagree as we are so diametrically opposed in just about every regard that future debate would be totally pointless.

One thing, however? Cheering on the sidelines for a pointless win is eminently better than not even being in the arena to support your employees. I'm glad Joe and Gavin are there through thick and thin. I'd really hate to think they only showed up when the bandwagons were all full.

 

[KingsFan93]

Let's see if the Maloofs can surround Ron-Ron with some quality players, mainly at the 4

 

[Bricklayer]

By saying the Kings want to extend his contract, it potentially increases Ron's trade value as other GMs see this as a player the Kings are looking at long-term. This may be just a ploy to increase Ron's trade value.

As far as keeping Ron, at least he is not too expensive, so as long as the extension is not too long or for too much money, it will not be bad.

I did not actually hear the interview, and so can't try to do the tea leaf reading nuance interpretation thing, but while the above is always possible and very much a glass half full viewpoint, I have learned over the last half decade that the glass is very rarely half full when it comes to our decisionmakers. Everytime I have ventured to give them credit for an ounce of intelligence, it has turned out they are even dimmer than I feared. Do not be shocked if they mean exactly what they say here.

 

[Bricklayer]

Let's see if the Maloofs can surround Ron-Ron with some quality players, mainly at the 4

Indeed, Ron Artest has been in the league 9 years now, had maybe 2-3 winning seasons in those 9 years, and made it out of the first round once (in which season he was a second fiddle). He screams centerpiece to a championship contender to me.

 

[Dime Dropper]

The Maloofs own the team. Why on earth would they want to continue in mediocrity? AS I SAID BEFORE - and you chose to gloss over - had you ever seen the Maloofs at courtside during a game, you would be in a much better position to understand them as far as wanting to win. They do want to win; they're just not sure exactly the right way to do it. And neither is anyone else. If it was that easy, there would be a lot more championship teams.

I never said the Maloofs want to continue in mediocrity, I said it seems they're content to be mediocre (and thus not suck completely). Their is a difference. And I still choose to believe that they don't have the guts to rebuild properly and are looking to band-aid our problems. How else could you possibly explain the signing of Mikke Moore? I don't have anything against him, but come on.
I think any attempt is better than no attempt, as long as it's planned (obviously). The Maloofs have shown no plan. If they do show one, or a desire to rebuild properly, I will obviously change my feelings. But I'm not going to feel something which I have nothing to base it on, that's not me.
What do you want me to say about the Maloofs cheering the team on? Of course it's a good thing. It doesn't make everything OK and it doesn't change the fact that they've done very little to help the future of the team. And in the case that you implied they don't know how to rebuild, well I think that's a little silly. Enough teams have done it to give a clear indication of how it should be done.

As far as dumping Bibby for expirings, IF that was the only purpose then even that is a step in a rebuilding direction.

It depends. It may very well have been to cut salary to absorb Martins new contract. Unless coupled with other moves, which we may or may not see this summer, the jury is still out on whether it's a rebuilding move or a cost cutting move.

We'll agree to disagree as we are so diametrically opposed in just about every regard that future debate would be totally pointless.

Fair enough. And don't take my difference of opinion personally.

One thing, however? Cheering on the sidelines for a pointless win is eminently better than not even being in the arena to support your employees.

Of course it is. When did I say it wasn't? I never even implied that it wasn't.

I'm glad Joe and Gavin are there through thick and thin. I'd really hate to think they only showed up when the bandwagons were all full.

Is that aimed at me? If so, I'm a little disappointed. I would have thought you'd known me enough not to aim a comment like that at me. It's just unfair and misleading.
I love this team no matter what.

 

[VF21]

It wasn't aimed at you. It was simply a comment about team owners. Besides the Maloofs, Mark Cuban, and possibly Dr. Jerry Buss, can you name any other owners let alone pick them out of a crowd? (Not including Glenn Taylor, who's only in the news now because of his idiotic comments about Kevin Garnett).

 

[Bricklayer]

It wasn't aimed at you. It was simply a comment about team owners. Besides the Maloofs, Mark Cuban, and possibly Dr. Jerry Buss, can you name any other owners let alone pick them out of a crowd? (Not including Glenn Taylor, who's only in the news now because of his idiotic comments about Kevin Garnett).

Well I have no idea what the Spurs owners look like, and a very good one of what Donald Sterling looks like in his courtside seats. Not sure there is much of a connection between loving the attention/limelight and winning.

The Maloofs are free to show up to Arco whenver they would like -- its their team. But when combiend with their actions and public statements watching them show up to go bonkers over us collecting our 31st win of the season is always going to call into question whetehr they really get it or not. If that is even still in question. At least if they stayed away you could infer they were unhappy about the current situation and ready for change.

 

[VF21]

...sigh...

dimedropper implied that they wanted to be mediocre. I was saying that for all their warts and wrinkles, etc. they are at least passionate enough (and fanlike enough) to show up and root for their team. They WANT the Kings to win. They live in the moment of the game, not the future of seasons to come.

They're fans who happen to own their favorite team. Drawing any further conclusions about their abilities, etc. is something I gave up on a long time ago.



You're reading or trying to put way more into my comment than I meant.

 

[NewMonkey]

Fine, you have your opinion, I have mine. I don't think Geoff or the Kings have done anything notable recently which would suggest we are really looking to rebuild. The Bibby deal was for expirings, which we can now see with Sheldons lack of PT. The constant mediocre MLE signings such as Moore, SAR etc., just back this up further. The Maloofs may want to win, but their blatant lack of guts to all-out rebuild is stopping them from becoming competitive in the future. They have not been aggressive in trying to bring in young talent or aquire draft picks (picks have been bought - I find it hard to believe we couldn't have done that).

You can view it whatever way you like, I don't have a problem. But I'm really not convinced the Maloofs are trying too hard to rebuild. It's abundantly clear this team does not have the pieces to contend. They're just putting off the inevitable in order to get the oh-so-desirable 40 wins. Cheering on the sidelines for a pointless (in terms of achievement) win is not going to make me believe they are doing whats best for the Kings future.

Agreed. The Maloofs and Petrie may WANT to win, but they clearly have no idea how to get there from here. They've thought they could rebuild on the fly for going on three years now, and unless you've got Kobe or Lebron, that just isn't going to work. Slapping plywood (Shareef, Salmons, Mikki Moore, keeping Artest) on the building isn't going to make it stronger. You've got to tear it down to rebuild it properly.

 

[Dime Dropper]

...sigh...

dimedropper implied that they wanted to be mediocre.

No, I didn't. Being content and happy are two different things. What I meant was the Maloofs are just scared of taking that extra step and sucking, therefore being happy to stay where we are rather than tear this thing down. I view it as two entirely different things, there's no problem if you view it differently but nowhere did I imply that the Maloofs don't want to win.

They live in the moment of the game, not the future of seasons to come.

Surely I can't be the only one to see this (if it is the case) as a major problem and not something to be discarded without thought?

 

[VF21]

Yes, the implication was there and I drew it. It may not have been correct but that's what I thought you were saying, which explains my response.

And you aren't going to change the Maloofs view of life. They look at the present. Major problem? That's not for me to judge.

 

[Kingster]

If anything, they've wanted to win too much and have put off taking what some people think are necessary steps to get worse in order to get better in the long run.

Exactly.

Wanting something and knowing how to get what you want are two entirely different things. John Wooden used to say that players on the court can want to win too much, so much so that they press on the court. (The Kings play a lot like that, by the way). Similarly, it seems that Petrie/Maloofs are wanting to win so much in today that they don't have patience to take the steps needed to build a great team in the future.

 

[SacTownKid]

It's things like this I am really starting to not understand. So, if this is true, they are looking to extend a player they were a fleas butthair away from trading for Najera, Kleiza, and a late 1st? Eduardo NAJERA!!!! It just doesn't make sense, nobody wants him so we might as well just keep him??? I just don't get it.

 

[creAtivetfh]

ron is done

 

[D13]

Ron is the best player we have... argue that and you can't see past your bias. Nothing will change that, admit it, no matter what he does... good or bad.

What is so wrong with using Ronron as a positive if managed? Why can't he contribute to a rebuild if we keep him in check? He has a winning attitude, works and plays hard, and pushes the young guys to get better (and sticks up for them on the court). The only negative is his temper... that's gotten better with maturity. Give the guy (our guy) a break.... He's a King.

 

[VF21]

D13 - No one is arguing Ron Artest's skills - or at least they shouldn't be. And there's really no argument with the "why can't he contribute to a rebuild if we keep him in check?" The problem is that one little word..."if."

You cannot fault his heart, his hustle, his desire or his intensity. But you have to at least consider the worst case scenario. Why? Because it is still a real possibility. How much of a possibility is something we really can't gauge because we're not really privy to what goes on behind closed doors.

When I'm watching the Kings and Ron is doing well, the idea of letting him go is unfathomable. But there's that annoying little voice that keeps trying to get my attention. It keeps whispering "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."

I hate that freaking little voice - but I can't seem to get rid of it completely.

If Artest doesn't opt out and TPTB keep him, the little voice may be silenced for a while but it will still be there. I'll just have to light a lot more candles in the hopes it isn't ever proven right.