Jeff Green
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I think Jeff Green was a) always massively overrated; and b) lsot himself an immense amount of money with his play in Boston
and c) he's no real solution for us in any way. He's been revealed as juat a guy. Maybe a starter, but at best a medicore starter. Has some talent, but he's not a defender nor knockdown shooter of note to tempt us. Years ago in college he was a good passer in the Princeton offense they run at G-Town, but its been years. Given our immense caproom and a summer when we have high draft picks, massive capspace etc., I don't know why we'd settle for what Jeff Green has been revealed to be.
and c) he's no real solution for us in any way. He's been revealed as juat a guy. Maybe a starter, but at best a medicore starter. Has some talent, but he's not a defender nor knockdown shooter of note to tempt us. Years ago in college he was a good passer in the Princeton offense they run at G-Town, but its been years. Given our immense caproom and a summer when we have high draft picks, massive capspace etc., I don't know why we'd settle for what Jeff Green has been revealed to be.
Sac.1989
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Yeh, alot of the Boston fans are bashing on him but admittingly not being able to see many Cs games i felt that it was attributed more towards what they gave up in order to bring him in and managements take that he will be a future star. We get what he offers and more from our current 3 SFs and really unless the ideal player becomes available we have the ability to sit on our hands with our first three options being DC, Tyreke and Thornton
SacKings7
Starter
I'm with Brick, I always thought Green was overrated. I was actually surprised he had as much success as he did in OKC. I always wondered why the Sonics drafted him at #5 to pair with Durant when they traded Allen. Looking back I guess it wasn't a bad pick, but I liked a few prospects that were still on the board more than I liked Green at that time, one of which (Thaddeous Young) is better than Green IMO
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
Nope. I saw enough of Green for the past few months in Boston. At one time I thought he would be a decent fit for this team, but he isnt.
mr. moustache
Bench
I'd be interested if he's a 3, but he's a better 4 than a 3. And he's not that great of a 3.
Right idea, wrong guy.
Right idea, wrong guy.
Sac.Kings
All-Star
What is so great about Perkins? Honestly, I think Perkins is a lot more overrated than Jeff Green. Perkins does nothing except pout and pick up technicals. He isn't a shotblocker, isn't the greatest defender... Boston's collapse had more to do with Garnett finally meeting father time than Perkins leaving. Sure, he is a solid big man, but nowhere near being considered anything more than average in my book.
Uncia03
Starter
I love Perkins. If we hadn't picked up Cousins last year, he would have been my #1 free-agent target.
As soon as the Celtics traded him I felt they gave away their shot at a championship this year.
You have to remember that Perkins hasn't fully recovered from his injury this year, so his play is slightly down this post-season, but even with that, what he brings is what you need to win in the play-offs.
He's one of the best low-post defenders in the league, and if you'll recall, was the reason the Celtics were able to beat the Magic last post-season when the Magic came in winning 8 straight. He played Howard straight up, and did a very good job, allowing the rest of the team to focus on the perimeter and shut the Magic down.
He brings an intensity and defensive focus which is critical if you want to thrive in the post season, and is a fantastic locker-room guy, and a leader out on the floor.
At the very start of the Denver series he committed a very hard foul which was called a flagrant, and basically set the tone for his team as to what they needed to do in order to be successful.
The numbers will probably never be there for Perkins, but unfortunately the Thunder got Perkins and locked him up for 4 years, which in my mind immediately made them a championship-caliber team. They are going to be incredibly difficult to deal with for years to come, and having a defensive bastion in the middle, with the gritty mindset you need to endure in the playoffs makes success that much easier.
Uncia03
Starter
As to the original focus of this thread...I've never liked Jeff Green. I actually am not at all a fan of 'stretch-fours', and Green is one of the most over-hyped of that breed of player.
In another thread someone mentioned that playing next to great players makes your game look better. I think this really holds true for Green, as I felt that his play benefitted tremendously by playing with Durant and Westbrook.
I know that he had some good games against the Kings, but so has Charlie Villanueva, and I don't want any part of him either.
All that being said, I don't think that Green will be on the market. He's a restricted free-agent, and the only reason Boston made this deal was to have the advantage in signing him, so I don't think there is any chance that we could get him even if we wanted to.
In another thread someone mentioned that playing next to great players makes your game look better. I think this really holds true for Green, as I felt that his play benefitted tremendously by playing with Durant and Westbrook.
I know that he had some good games against the Kings, but so has Charlie Villanueva, and I don't want any part of him either.
All that being said, I don't think that Green will be on the market. He's a restricted free-agent, and the only reason Boston made this deal was to have the advantage in signing him, so I don't think there is any chance that we could get him even if we wanted to.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
+1 to everything you said. I'd just add that he's been operating with a bum knee for most of the year, so some might have forgotten how good he was defensively with Boston.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I don't know how Green could be massively overrated since no one ever claimed he was spectacular in the first place. He's a solid player who averaged about 15 and 5 as a 3rd or 4th option on a good team, nothing more, nothing less. Why would anyone think he couldn't do the same thing as the 3rd or 4th option on the Kings?
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RookieOfTheDay
Starter
Not really a fair judgement. He was thrown into a bench role on an old team that spent the rest of the season reeling over losing their starting center. Not exactly Green's fault and not exactly reason to believe he couldn't work as well on the Kings as he did on the Thunder.
Jespher
Starter
8 months later and Green is still available, albeit as an unrestricted free agent after abdominal surgery to repair an aortic aneurism.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...fer_Withdrawn_Will_Be_Unrestricted_Free_Agent
The Kings could still use improvement at the 3 spot as both John Salmons and Travis Outlaw have flaws in their respective games and Donte Greene and Francisco Garcia are not consistent rotation players. I do like what I have seen with Green, and though he won't be available until he fully heals from his surgery, he would be a useful player to make an investment in for the future as a defensive running 3-4 big forward. I could see a future sign and trade being worked out with the Celtics as they currently have very little youth or depth and the Kings have $19+ million devoted to an inept small forward rotation. He rebounds well for his position, can shoot with a fairly decent percentage when healthy, and is young enough to grow with this team for the foreseeable future once Cousins and Evans grow into their primes. He looks like a good 3rd/4th piece and is coming cheap after his disappointing outing in Boston last season.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...fer_Withdrawn_Will_Be_Unrestricted_Free_Agent
The Kings could still use improvement at the 3 spot as both John Salmons and Travis Outlaw have flaws in their respective games and Donte Greene and Francisco Garcia are not consistent rotation players. I do like what I have seen with Green, and though he won't be available until he fully heals from his surgery, he would be a useful player to make an investment in for the future as a defensive running 3-4 big forward. I could see a future sign and trade being worked out with the Celtics as they currently have very little youth or depth and the Kings have $19+ million devoted to an inept small forward rotation. He rebounds well for his position, can shoot with a fairly decent percentage when healthy, and is young enough to grow with this team for the foreseeable future once Cousins and Evans grow into their primes. He looks like a good 3rd/4th piece and is coming cheap after his disappointing outing in Boston last season.
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Lafayette
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The guy is still out there and will remain out there because he can't play at the moment. This TOPIC is, well, lets not be mean so I'll just say not needed. If didn't have a problem he'd be a Celtic and my guess is that he will be a Celtic in the end because they don't want to feel like they got nothing out of that trade and will persue him again as soon as he's cleared to play. Not a good fit for the Kings, another JJ Hickson and that's not what the team needs. Not going to be a King so lets move on and talk about something else like the weather... it's nice out.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
if he's looking to play for lets say 2 mill per year over a 4 year contract. let's get'r done. can't have too many non performing small forwards on our squad
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I agree with this post 10 trillion percent. When Boston went into LA in the playoffs and Perkins got injured, I turned to one of my best friends, who happens to be a Laker fan, and said LA just won the championship. Thats how important Perkins was to Boston. Last season was an abberation for Perkins. He was coming off his injury and was over weight to boot. Different story this season. He's one of the best defensive big men in the NBA.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I liked Jeff Green in college, and at the time, I though he could be a decent to good player in the NBA. In some ways, getting drafted on to the same team as Durant, and at the same time, was probably not a good thing. Although he played the PF position in college, I thought he'd have to become a SF in the NBA. Guess what position Durant played? SF! So Green was tried at PF and it worked and it didn't work. A lot depended on the matchups. Then they tried moving Durant to the SG position and Green back to SF. Green played much better at the SF position, but Durant didn't fare as well.
New coach and Durant is back at SF where he belongs, and Green eventually becomes the odd man out. Right now he's basicly a man without a true position. Some call him a stretch 4, and I agree with Uncia03. I don't particularly like stretch 4's. I think if a team were to plug him in at the SF position and just leave him there, maybe in time he could be a decent to good player. I also think that the time for experimenting at that position on the Kings is over.
I believe that Ty Honeycutt can be our SF of the future. And I don't think he's that far away. He's a fundamentally sound player, that comes out of a defensive minded system at UCLA. He's better offensively than he showed at UCLA, which is no shocker, and he a very good passer. He's also a very good athlete. His biggest weakness right now, is lack of strength. I see no need for making a trade for someone that would just be a bandaid. Unless we can aquire a legit SF like a Kirilenko. A proven vet, then we sould stick with what we have and see how Honeycutt develops..
New coach and Durant is back at SF where he belongs, and Green eventually becomes the odd man out. Right now he's basicly a man without a true position. Some call him a stretch 4, and I agree with Uncia03. I don't particularly like stretch 4's. I think if a team were to plug him in at the SF position and just leave him there, maybe in time he could be a decent to good player. I also think that the time for experimenting at that position on the Kings is over.
I believe that Ty Honeycutt can be our SF of the future. And I don't think he's that far away. He's a fundamentally sound player, that comes out of a defensive minded system at UCLA. He's better offensively than he showed at UCLA, which is no shocker, and he a very good passer. He's also a very good athlete. His biggest weakness right now, is lack of strength. I see no need for making a trade for someone that would just be a bandaid. Unless we can aquire a legit SF like a Kirilenko. A proven vet, then we sould stick with what we have and see how Honeycutt develops..
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