Jason Thompson

[Bricklayer]

K let me try than


Better than JT via Landslide 18
LaMarcus Aldridge, Chris Bosh, Tim Duncan ,Kevin Garnett, Pau Gasol , Blake Griffin , Al Horford , Serge Ibaka, David Lee, Kevin Love, Dirk Nowitzki, Zach Randolph , Josh Smith, David West , Al Jefferson

Simply better 14
Anthony Davis , Amar'e Stoudemire , Andrea Bargnani , Ryan Anderson, Carl Landry, Paul Millsap, Larry Sanders, Luis Scola, Nene Hilario , Anderson Varejao, Thaddeus Young, J.J. Hickson, Ersan Ilyasova, Kenneth Faried

Debatable/given same mins 10 (most of these are personal prefernce)
Derrick Favors: imo is easily better right now than JT hes just stuck behind a tough as hell frontline in Utah
Andray Blatche: far more skilled player avg 16 and 8 two seasons ago and is 11 and 6 this in less mins
Kevin Seraphin: more talented, skilled better mid range game and a better athlete
Ed Davis: getting starters mins since AB went down and has shown he can be a monster
Marreese Speights : stuck behind Gasol/ Zbo, is a elite mid range shooter, tough guy, better D
Drew Gooden: career double double in tough position with Bucks youth movement
Glen Davis: been Magic top player before injury on a team that overachieved so far
Boris Diaw: gifted passer/ball handler was fantastic in last year playoffs since he came to SAS
Carlos Boozer: if were not for his horrendus defense I'd have him over JT
Jason Maxiell: better defender bit undersized and better finish in traffic and around the rim

Well, you've got various guys overrated, about 1/3 of your list is playing center, and various others are kind of 1 hit wonders.

If you want to argue that may be 30 NBA bigs, as in PFs and Cs clearly better than JT, I won't argue that point. Given that there are 60 starting frontcourt slots around the NBA that's not terrible.

Here are the stats for 6 randomly selected "guys" from around the NBA. Not stars, no scrubs. These are their teams's #2 or #3 type bigs, just like Jason:

Ilyasova 22.9min 8.7pts (.394 .345 .750) 5.5reb 1.5ast 0.7stl 0.3blk 0.7TO
CLandry 25.4min 12.8pts (.539 .000 .818) 6.5reb 0.9ast 0.3stl 0.6blk 1.7TO
J.Maxiel 26.5min 8.0pts (.453 .000 .663) 6.0reb 0.5ast 0.5stl 1.5blk 1.2TO
BMullens 31.0min 11.6pts (.371 .303 .709) 7.8reb 1.5ast 0.9stl 0.9blk 1.6TO
L.Scola 25.8min 11.7pts (.468 .125. 817) 6.2reb 2.0ast 0.9stl 0.2blk 1.3TO
JThomp 29.8min 11.1pts (.506 .000 .712) 7.9reb 1.3ast 0.6stl 1.0blk 1.3TO


There's no particular advantage in there. They are all just guys and none of them are better than the other for all situations (although I personally would take my fullsized 6'11" 50% shooting PF/C over stubby twerps or sub 40% perimeter shooting weenies). Jason might be the most all around solid of the bunch though. Efficient, not short, best rebounder etc. He's a solid guy. Other teams wish they had more of him. So do we.

 

[KingMilz]

There's no particular advantage in there. They are all just guys and none of them are better than the other for all situations (although I personally would take my fullsized 6'11" 50% shooting PF/C over stubby twerps or sub 40% perimeter shooting weenies). Jason might be the most all around solid of the bunch though. Efficient, not short, best rebounder etc. He's a solid guy. Other teams wish they had more of him. So do we.

JT as Centre? He can't even defend his own position let alone centre hes to soft on defense always has been. Landry is easily better player, Scola is easily better I'll give you Mullens and Illyasova has been horrible this year and I'd say hes equal with Maxiell

Well, you've got various guys overrated, about 1/3 of your list is playing center, and various others are kind of 1 hit wonders.

Lol other than Al Jefferson (was a PF in Boston) and Tim Duncan (been PF 99% of his career) there is no one else that you could say is a centre

 

[Bricklayer]

JT as Centre? He can't even defend his own position let alone centre hes to soft on defense always has been. Landry is easily better player, Scola is easily better I'll give you Mullens and Illyasova has been horrible this year and I'd say hes equal with Maxiell


Lol other than Al Jefferson (was a PF in Boston) and Tim Duncan (been PF 99% of his career) there is no one else that you could say is a centre

Except for guys who actually have been startig at center most fo their careers like Nene, Varejao, Bargnani etc.. So has Amare for that matter, althoguh I always considered him a PF who was just D'Antoni'd.

And again, you are amusing in your grass is greenerism. Scola is in rapid decline. Better offensively, but couldn't guard me at this stage. Landry is the same deal. All offense. Need a bucket? Sure. Need a solid guy? Not so much. Normal story, the other team's grass is always greener. A fandom universal, no matter which fanbase we are talking.

 

[KingMilz]

Except for guys who actually have been startig at center most fo their careers like Nene, Varejao, Bargnani etc.. So has Amare for that matter, althoguh I always considered him a PF who was just D'Antoni'd.

And again, you are amusing in your grass is greenerism. Scola is in rapid decline. Better offensively, but couldn't guard me at this stage. Landry is the same deal. All offense. Need a bucket? Sure. Need a solid guy? Not so much. Normal story, the other team's grass is always greener. A fandom universal, no matter which fanbase we are talking.

So Nene was not a PF for like 7+ years of his career while Marcus Camby was playing centre in Denver?
So Anderson Varaejo was not PF playing like 5+ years next to Shaq/Big Z/Ben Wallace who were playing centre?
Bargs has always been a PF in the same mold as Dirk.
Amare played C cause of Mike Dantoni but in NY hes a PF next to Chandler

Yeah i agree Scola can't D but nethier can JT who has he stopped this season no one hes soft on D, Landry what he lacks in size more than makes up for in toughness. I'd take Scola and Landry and pretty much anyone I said before right now over JT, JT is a solid garbage man and a below average defender and can't create his own shot that well.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

So Nene was not a PF for like 7+ years of his career while Marcus Camby was playing centre in Denver?
So Anderson Varaejo was not PF playing like 5+ years next to Shaq/Big Z/Ben Wallace who were playing centre?
Bargs has always been a PF in the same mold as Dirk.
Amare played C cause of Mike Dantoni but in NY hes a PF next to Chandler

Yeah i agree Scola can't D but nethier can JT who has he stopped this season no one hes soft on D, Landry what he lacks in size more than makes up for in toughness. I'd take Scola and Landry and pretty much anyone I said before right now over JT, JT is a solid garbage man and a below average defender and can't create his own shot that well.

landry is a solid player but his lack of height shows up against full sized players like aldridge, gasol. they simply shoot over him because he can't really do much.

i see thomas robinson heading down the same role as landry. undersized with athleticism

 

[KingMilz]

landry is a solid player but his lack of height shows up against full sized players like aldridge, gasol. they simply shoot over him because he can't really do much.

i see thomas robinson heading down the same role as landry. undersized with athleticism

Alridge and Gasol pretty much shoot over everyone including JT so if you have two guys who can't defend you want the better offensive guy who can space the floor better yeah?

Please Landry while he is athletic is as tough and crafty as it gets around the buckets, Thomas Robinson atm is just athletic. Landry does not play on athletic ability its his shooting, toughness and smarts.

 

[Bricklayer]

i see thomas robinson heading down the same role as landry. undersized with athleticism

The problem with so many of the TRob as this undersized big or that undersized big comparisons is this: he's not showing he's a high skill player. You can be big and low skill. You can be little and high skill (Milsap, Landry etc.). Being little and low skill is a hard spot to be in.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Lol other than Al Jefferson (was a PF in Boston) and Tim Duncan (been PF 99% of his career) there is no one else that you could say is a centre

Don't be obtuse: Jefferson, Nenê, Sanders and Varejao are all centers. None of them belong on a list of "who is a better PF than Jason Thompson."

Furthermore than that, even if I were to concede that Jefferson was a PF (which I do not, because that would be asinine: Jefferson has played more than 2/3 of his NBA career at Center), he and Millsap both start for the same team. Which means that one of them [FONT=&quot]can't[/FONT] be the PF. Same with Aldridge/Hickson, and Smith/Horford. It would be one thing if one was backing up the other (I'm willing to give you Favors, for example), but if two guys are both starting for the same team, then one of them is not the power forward: you don't get to claim that [FONT=&quot]both[/FONT] of them are better power forwards than Thompson. Pick one, and the other one goes off the list.

In no known universe is Andrea Bargnani a better PF than Jason Thompson. Anyone who says otherwise shows that they have a "punkte uber alles" mentality, because PPG is the [FONT=&quot]only[/FONT] advantage Bargnani has over Thompson: Thompson shoots a significantly higher FG%, is a better rebounder by an order of magnitude; he is a better defender, with a slightly better DRtg, and a significantly better DWS. And if Bargnani didn't spend the first four years of his career playing alongside an All-Star, his numbers wouldn't even look as good as they do look. And they look bad. Really bad: he's a legit seven-footer, who has a lower FG% than Cousins. Marinate on [FONT=&quot]that[/FONT], for a minute. And frankly, the notion that you would put Boozer in your "debateable" category, for his defense, but not count it against Bargnani is insane on the face of it.

Speaking of your "debateable" category... no, actually, I'll get back to that, in a minute...

Luis Scola [FONT=&quot]was[/FONT] easily better than Thompson, for most of his career. He's not any more. He's averaging career lows, pretty much across the board, even after you factor in his reduced minutes. And he's thirty-two. Based on his production right now, you can't credibly state that Scola is easily better than Thompson, and there's nothing real which suggests that Scola's ever going to be able to get back to what he was.

Now, back to your "debateable" list, let's start with Kevin Seraphin, because I have a lot to say about him: you stated that Seraphin was better based on your belief that he is "more talented, skilled better mid range game and a better athlete." Well, I don't know how you quantify "better athlete," but I don't see how that makes one a better player, either way. Better skilled? Well, that would suggest that Seraphin is, at the very least, either better at 1) creating his own shot, or 2) creating shots for his teammates. But, 82games shows us that this is, rather demonstrably, not true: we know that Seraphin is not better at creating his own shot, because a higher percentage of his baskets (63% for Seraphin, vs. 60% for Thompson) come off of someone else's creation than Thompson. And we know that he's not better at creating shots for his teammates, because all of the passing stats favor Thompson: Assist-to-Bad Pass Turnover [not to be confused with assist-to-total turnovers] Ratio: (4.9 vs. 1.5), passing rating (3.2 vs. -.1[!!!]), and assists per 48 (2.3 vs. 1.9). Does he have a better mid-range game? Again, the numbers don't bear that out: 82games shows us that Thompson has a higher eFG% from mid-range (.397 vs. .352), and that he has a lower percentage of assisted FG from mid-range (69% vs 80%). Which indicates that, not only is Thompson better at shooting the mid-range jumper, he's better at getting his own shot from mid-range.

There is a significant problem with your "double-double" man, Drew Gooden: namely that he is not, in fact, a double-double man. Not only does Drew Gooden not average a double-double for his career, he has never averaged a double-double at any point [FONT=&quot]in[/FONT] his career. Never. Not even once. Not even if you round up. Drew Gooden has played in twice as many games, and had twice as many starts, and yet, has managed, for his career, to put up virtually identical numbers to Jason Thompson, on a significantly lower percentage (11.9ppg, 7.7rpg, 1.2apg, 0.7spg, 0.7bpg, on .466 shooting, in 27.3min, vs. 10.5ppg, 7.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.5spg, 0.8bpg, on .499 shooting, in 27.5min).

Jason Maxiell? Marreese Speights? Seriously? It's like you went through, and made a list of all the guys who averaged more points, and then went through and made a list of all the guys who had more highlight videos on NBA.com, and decided that they were all better. Where did you come up with this nonsense?

Grass is always greener, indeed...

 

[KingMilz]

Don't be obtuse: Jefferson, Nenê, Sanders and Varejao are all centers. None of them belong on a list of "who is a better PF than Jason Thompson."

Furthermore than that, even if I were to concede that Jefferson was a PF (which I do not, because that would be asinine: Jefferson has played more than 2/3 of his NBA career at Center), he and Millsap both start for the same team. Which means that one of them [FONT="]can't[/FONT][/B] be the PF. Same with Aldridge/Hickson, and Smith/Horford. It would be one thing if one was backing up the other (I'm willing to give you Favors, for example), but if two guys are both starting for the same team, then one of them is not the power forward: you don't get to claim that [B][FONT="]both[/FONT] of them are better power forwards than Thompson. Pick one, and the other one goes off the list.

In no known universe is Andrea Bargnani a better PF than Jason Thompson. Anyone who says otherwise shows that they have a "punkte uber alles" mentality, because PPG is the [FONT="]only[/FONT][/B] advantage Bargnani has over Thompson: Thompson shoots a significantly higher FG%, is a better rebounder by an order of magnitude; he is a better defender, with a slightly better DRtg, and a significantly better DWS. And if Bargnani didn't spend the first four years of his career playing alongside an All-Star, his numbers wouldn't even look as good as they do look. And they look bad. Really bad: he's a legit seven-footer, who has a lower FG% than Cousins. Marinate on [B][FONT="]that[/FONT], for a minute. And frankly, the notion that you would put Boozer in your "debateable" category, for his defense, but not count it against Bargnani is insane on the face of it.

Speaking of your "debateable" category... no, actually, I'll get back to that, in a minute...

Luis Scola [FONT="]was[/FONT][/B] easily better than Thompson, for most of his career. He's not any more. He's averaging career lows, pretty much across the board, even after you factor in his reduced minutes. And he's thirty-two. Based on his production right now, you can't credibly state that Scola is easily better than Thompson, and there's nothing real which suggests that Scola's ever going to be able to get back to what he was.

Now, back to your "debateable" list, let's start with Kevin Seraphin, because I have a lot to say about him: you stated that Seraphin was better based on your belief that he is "more talented, skilled better mid range game and a better athlete." Well, I don't know how you quantify "better athlete," but I don't see how that makes one a better player, either way. Better skilled? Well, that would suggest that Seraphin is, at the very least, either better at 1) creating his own shot, or 2) creating shots for his teammates. But, 82games shows us that this is, rather demonstrably, not true: we know that Seraphin is not better at creating his own shot, because a higher percentage of his baskets (63% for [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#ff0000]Seraphin[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=teal], vs. 60% for [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#800080]Thompson[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=teal]) come off of someone else's creation than Thompson. And we know that he's not better at creating shots for his teammates, because all of the passing stats favor Thompson: Assist-to-Bad Pass Turnover [not to be confused with assist-to-total turnovers] Ratio: ([/COLOR][COLOR=#800080][B]4.9[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal] vs. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#ff0000]1.5[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=teal]), passing rating ([/COLOR][COLOR=#800080][B]3.2[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal] vs. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#ff0000]-.1[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=teal][!!!]), and assists per 48 ([/COLOR][COLOR=#800080][B]2.3[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal] vs. [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][B]1.9[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal]). Does he have a better mid-range game? Again, the numbers don't bear that out: 82games shows us that Thompson has a higher eFG% from mid-range ([/COLOR][COLOR=#800080][B].397[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal] vs. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=#ff0000].352[/COLOR][/B][COLOR=teal]), and that he has a lower percentage of assisted FG from mid-range ([/COLOR][COLOR=#800080][B]69%[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal] vs [/COLOR][COLOR=#ff0000][B]80%[/B][/COLOR][COLOR=teal]). Which indicates that, not only is Thompson better at shooting the mid-range jumper, he's better at getting his own shot from mid-range.

There is a significant problem with your "double-double" man, Drew Gooden: namely that he is not, in fact, a double-double man. Not only does Drew Gooden not average a double-double for his career, he has never averaged a double-double at any point [B][FONT="]in[/FONT] his career. Never. Not even once. Not even if you round up. Drew Gooden has played in twice as many games, and had twice as many starts, and yet, has managed, for his career, to put up virtually identical numbers to Jason Thompson, on a significantly lower percentage (11.9ppg, 7.7rpg, 1.2apg, 0.7spg, 0.7bpg, on .466 shooting, in 27.3min, vs. 10.5ppg, 7.3rpg, 1.3apg, 0.5spg, 0.8bpg, on .499 shooting, in 27.5min).

Jason Maxiell? Marreese Speights? Seriously? It's like you went through, and made a list of all the guys who averaged more points, and then went through and made a list of all the guys who had more highlight videos on NBA.com, and decided that they were all better. Where did you come up with this nonsense?

Grass is always greener, indeed...

Nene is a PF I watched him in Denver for year he played PF next to Marcus Camby, Horford is also a PF hes just forced to play Centre because Zaza sucks, when Zaza starts or both he and Horford are on the floor Horford is the PF, Horford was PF in college next to Noah playing the centre. Anderson has been a PF his whole career until Lebron left and Tristan Thompson defends other teams centres not Anderson. Hickson is a PF who's forced to play Centre on Portland so hes still a PF. Jefferson you can have as Centre.

Scola is still better and by a decent margin, his offence is a mile ahead while his defense is a couple metres behind JT, clearly you have never watch Mo Speights play the guy is a gun off the bench there is easily over 30 PF's in the NBA that are better tha JT. Jason Maxiell actually provides defense and toughness something JT will and has never which you want out of your PF.

Drew Goodens you can have I guess and I still think Andrea when fully healthy is a far better player than JT.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

So Nene was not a PF for like 7+ years of his career while Marcus Camby was playing centre in Denver?

Not when you factor in games played: Nenê has played 287 out of his 580 career games at center. That's almost exactly half and, since he's pretty much only playing center from this point forward, he will have played the majority of his career at center. He's a center.

So Anderson Varaejo was not PF playing like 5+ years next to Shaq/Big Z/Ben Wallace who were playing centre?

Wallace, sure. Shaq, no. Ilgauskas, no. In the 5+ years that Varejao and Ilgauskas played together, they started in the same frontcourt exactly seven times. The rest of the time, either Varejao was backing Z up, or Varejao was starting because Z was injured.
Varejao and Shaq also only started together in seven games. I'll give you Big Ben: he started more than double as many games alongside Wallace, as he did alongside Shaq and Z combined. Still, Varejao has played 411 out of 489 games as a center. He's a center.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Nene is a PF I watched him in Denver for year he played PF next to Marcus Camby, Horford is also a PF hes just forced to play Centre because Zaza sucks, when Zaza starts or both he and Horford are on the floor Horford is the PF, Horford was PF in college next to Noah playing the centre. Anderson has been a PF his whole career until Lebron left and Tristan Thompson defends other teams centres not Anderson. Hickson is a PF who's forced to play Centre on Portland so hes still a PF. Jefferson you can have as Centre.

Scola is still better and by a decent margin, his offence is a mile ahead while his defense is a couple metres behind JT, clearly you have never watch Mo Speights play the guy is a gun off the bench there is easily over 30 PF's in the NBA that are better tha JT. Jason Maxiell actually provides defense and toughness something JT will and has never which you want out of your PF.

Drew Goodens you can have I guess and I still think Andrea when fully healthy is a far better player than JT.

You're free to think whatever you want to. You're wrong, though.

 

[KingMilz]

Not when you factor in games played: Nenê has played 287 out of his 580 career games at center. That's almost exactly half and, since he's pretty much only playing center from this point forward, he will have played the majority of his career at center. He's a center.


Wallace, sure. Shaq, no. Ilgauskas, no. In the 5+ years that Varejao and Ilgauskas played together, they started in the same frontcourt exactly seven times. The rest of the time, either Varejao was backing Z up, or Varejao was starting because Z was injured.
Varejao and Shaq also only started together in seven games. I'll give you Big Ben: he started more than double as many games alongside Wallace, as he did alongside Shaq and Z combined. Still, Varejao has played 411 out of 489 games as a center. He's a center.

They are not centres and where did you get those stats from please provide a link, Nene, Anderson, Horfrod are all PF's who have at times in there career played Centre, Carmelo Anthony right now is playing PF does that make him a PF no hes SF playing PF just like all those guys I mentioned are PF's playing C. If those team had legit sized players at C they would all slide over to PF

 

[KingMilz]

You're free to think whatever you want to. You're wrong, though.

Same goes for you saying Nene is not a PF when I watch him for years playing with Andre Miller is just insane and apprently Anderson played centre over Big Z...........

Denver Starting Line up before melo left was
C: CAMBY
PF: Nene
SF: Melo
SG 2-3 ppl
PG: Miller/Billups

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

They are not centres and where did you get those stats from please provide a link.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/varejan01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hilarne01.html

I went through all of the game logs, one at a time, and counted. Have fun.

Nene, Anderson, Horfrod are all PF's who have at times in there career played Centre, Carmelo Anthony right now is playing PF does that make him a PF no hes SF playing PF just like all those guys I mentioned are PF's playing C. If those team had legit sized players at C they would all slide over to PF

I said **** all about "at times." When you've played more than half your career games as a center, you're a center. When you've played 84% of your career as a center, it's not even up for discussion.

 

[KingMilz]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/v/varejan01.html
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hilarne01.html

I went through all of the game logs, one at a time, and counted. Have fun.


I said **** all about "at times." When you've played more than half your career games as a center, you're a center. When you've played 84% of your career as a center, it's not even up for discussion.

Where does it say which position they played? Nene for the majority of his career up until Melo got traded was a PF, Horford is a PF because there C starts on the bench, Anderson for the majority of his career was a back up for Drew Gooden at the PF more than he was for Big Z at centre.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Same goes for you saying Nene is not a PF when I watch him for years playing with Andre Miller is just insane and apprently Anderson played centre over Big Z...........

Denver Starting Line up before melo left was
C: CAMBY
PF: Nene
SF: Melo
SG 2-3 ppl
PG: Miller/Billups

No, that was Denver's starting lineup before Camby left. Nenê played 293 out of his 580 career games with Marcus Camby. During those 293 games, Camby was the center. The other 287 games (and counting) of Nenê's career. Nenê has been the center. If you want to nitpick and say that Nenê is a power forward until he plays seven more games this season, fine.

and apprently Anderson played centre over Big Z...........

Do you not know how to read? Anderson Varejao started, in the same front court, a grand total of seven games. Seven. In those seven games, Ilgauskas was the center, and Varejao was the power forward. The rest of the time they played together, either 1) Varejao was the backup center, and came off the bench, behind Ilgauskas, or 2) Varejao started at center when Ilgauskas was injured. Never did I say that Varejao played over Ilgauskas.

 

[KingMilz]

No, that was Denver's starting lineup before Camby left. Nenê played 293 out of his 580 career games with Marcus Camby. During those 293 games, Camby was the center. The other 287 games (and counting) of Nenê's career. Nenê has been the center. If you want to nitpick and say that Nenê is a power forward until he plays seven more games this season, fine.


Do you not know how to read? Anderson Varejao started, in the same front court, a grand total of seven games. Seven. In those seven games, Ilgauskas was the center, and Varejao was the power forward. The rest of the time they played together, either 1) Varejao was the backup center, and came off the bench, behind Ilgauskas, or 2) Varejao started at center when Ilgauskas was injured. Never did I say that Varejao played over Ilgauskas.

So they were both PF's who due to injuries and not having a centre had to fill the role of a centre? They are natural PF's who have had to step up to help there team by playing out of there natural positon which means they are PF's playing Centre

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

So they were both PF's who due to injuries and not having a centre had to fill the role of a centre?

No. One was a center, who was playing out of position, until he became the full-time center, and the other one was the backup center, until he became the starting center.

 

[KingMilz]

No. One was a center, who was playing out of position, until he became the full-time center, and the other one was the backup center, until he became the starting center.

Well we can disagree forever on this topic but the point of that post was that show that there is a surplus amount of good PF's which are above JT.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Well we can disagree forever on this topic but the point of that post was that show that there is a surplus amount of good PF's which are above JT.

That depends on your definition of "surplus." If your definition is 30+. which was the original argument, then no, there is not a surplus of better PFs.

 

[KingMilz]

That depends on your definition of "surplus." If your definition is 30+. which was the original argument, then no, there is not a surplus of better PFs.

Yeah there is 30+ because there is huge amount of PF's and a lack of true centres

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Yeah there is 30+ because there is huge amount of PF's and a lack of true centres

You are what the coach says you are: if the coach says you're a center, you're a center. It matters **** all what the fans say about it.

Thompson is somewhere between the 21st-25th best PF in the league, bull**** "true center" disclaimers notwithstanding.

 

[KingMilz]

You are what the coach says you are: if the coach says you're a center, you're a center. It matters **** all what the fans say about it.

Thompson is somewhere between the 21st-25th best PF in the league, bull**** "true center" disclaimers notwithstanding.

30-40th yeah not 21-25th it would be great if he were that cause that would mean hed be a much better player than he is now.

 

[DesertFox]

Yeah there is 30+ because there is huge amount of PF's and a lack of true centres

So in that case, JT is even more valuable because half the guys better than JT cannot play a more credible center.
If you compare JT to combo F, SF and PF, then yes he will not start on the majority of teams. But including centers, a more fair comparison, raises his stock even more.

Adding centers better than JT:

Bogut
Monroe
Noah
Bynum
Gasol
Cuz
Hibbert
Chandler
Howard
Gortat
Pekovic
Asik

I may be missing a few, but in all there are 40ish "bigs" better than JT.
So blindly assuming the top 10 teams have all of the top bigs, 20 teams are not doing better for a 2nd big than JT.

On a contender JT would be a 3rd big, and for every other team he is interchangeable with a starter and a 3rd big at least.

 

[bajaden]

JT as Centre? He can't even defend his own position let alone centre hes to soft on defense always has been. Landry is easily better player, Scola is easily better I'll give you Mullens and Illyasova has been horrible this year and I'd say hes equal with Maxiell


Lol other than Al Jefferson (was a PF in Boston) and Tim Duncan (been PF 99% of his career) there is no one else that you could say is a centre

I suggest you go to Synergy.com and look up defensive stats. Then maybe I'll have a conversation with you, because right now, you have no idea what your talking about, and I'm not going to waste my time.

 

[KingMilz]

I suggest you go to Synergy.com and look up defensive stats. Then maybe I'll have a conversation with you, because right now, you have no idea what your talking about, and I'm not going to waste my time.

Yeap because basketball is played on Synergy.com where Blake Griffin was #1 on defense and Gallonari was ranked higher than LeBron makes a lot of sense that, I watched JT play all year (minus Bucks/4th game vs Portland) and every decent PF we have come up against has murderd us I don't need some garbage stats to tell me who's a good defender and who is not.

Tim Duncans D ranked 235, JT ranked 48 makes a lot of sense JT>TD in defense my god according to synergy I was wrong JT must be a top 5 PF