Iverson's huge game ends in a loss

[Bibby_Is_Clutch]

Iverson vs. Atlanta
53 pts (17-31fg, 19-21ft)
6 reb
5 ast
2 stl
0 to

The guy is amazing but this team is so... not right?!

I dont know whats wrong with the team. Korver IMO should be scoring 18-20ppg after all the hype about him being the next best shooter. Igoudala is very inconsistant with his scoring: 9 night, 26 another, 2 the next, etc. The bench that does play doesnt produce and 5 players dont even play. Not that I really care about the 76ers but I thought they would or should be better.

 

[thesanityannex]

we should just trade the philly three back for webber and call it square. Both teams would benefit.

 

[Mad D]

Korver, the next best shooter?! Where did you hear that (from these message boards)? His shooting is limited to outside 20 feet, his midrange game isn't as developed yet.

Iggy is not going to be a scorer. Not his game, he is an all around player (think Doug Christe).

The Hawks beat the Spurs, Cavs and Pacers. It's not like beating the 76ers was a huge upset.

Outside the 76ers starting five what do they have? Not much (like the Kings). They are also all offense, no defense (sound familiar?)

I'm sure when they get Steven Hunter back from injury, they'll have a nice shot blocking tandem to help improve their defense a little.

 

[Bibby_Is_Clutch]

we should just trade the philly three back for webber and call it square. Both teams would benefit.

In a heartbeat.

Korver, the next best shooter?! Where did you hear that (from these message boards)? His shooting is limited to outside 20 feet, his midrange game isn't as developed yet.

Iggy is not going to be a scorer. Not his game, he is an all around player (think Doug Christe).

The Hawks beat the Spurs, Cavs and Pacers. It's not like beating the 76ers was a huge upset.

Outside the 76ers starting five what do they have? Not much (like the Kings). They are also all offense, no defense (sound familiar?)

It does sound familar. Last year on TV (TNT) they always talked about him being a great shooter and the next best shooter. But... Im sure those words probably came from Barkley so I guess they are meaningless.

 

[may3one]

Was a real good game though. I was about to go, but I couldn't. Loopymitch, hope you had a real good time! It looked like a fun game. At one point, I saw Harry the Hawk fighting with some kid with the thundersticks. haha. Josh Smith didn't really have a good game until the fourth quarter.

 

[Bricklayer]

? Philly is doing fine. And offense is NOT the problem. They scored 108.

The problem is that they do not defend with any consistency. Dalembert has helped them turn the tides on the glass, but defensively they are incredibly lax. What will likely keep them in the 40 wins rather than the 50s.

 

[Kings113]

Iguodala scored 26 (twice) because it was vs. Toronto both times.

Like said, he isn't going to be a scorer, but an all-around player who can get 8-13 points mostly, and above that sometimes.

And yeah, Philly's been pretty solid.

Hawks are 5-2 in their last 7 games. It's clear they're starting to get it together a bit in Atlanta.

 

[SacTownKid]

Looks like neither the Sixers or the Kings were better off after the trade, huh. Of course they are in the Atlantic which means you could end up under .500 and still be the 3rd seed. The pacific is a little more difficult.

 

[Bricklayer]

Looks like neither the Sixers or the Kings were better off after the trade, huh. Of course they are in the Atlantic which means you could end up under .500 and still be the 3rd seed. The pacific is a little more difficult.

Sixers definitely are. They have hope and have just been getting into a rhythm once they got their center back. Very good chance to be #3 in the East, and a decent chance to make it to the 2nd round off of that. Not enough defense to go all the way, but there is excitement back in that building.

 

[Smart_guy3]

LMAO at AI trying to beat Kobe's 62 how sad has the game of basketball become these days? no wonder the Sixers lost pathetic...

 

[Bricklayer]

LMAO at AI trying to beat Kobe's 62 how sad has the game of basketball become these days? no wonder the Sixers lost pathetic...

?

Did it on a good shooting percentage. Stuff has been going on forever. Two greatest examples I can recall were David Robinson being super-fed by the Spurs back on the last game in '94(?) to score 60pts + win the scoring title, and Charles Oakley and Michael Cage back in '88 or so battling it out for the rebound title, and on the last game of the season both guys go for monster 30+ rebound nights trying to snag the title.

 

[Smart_guy3]

You don't need to score 53 points just to beat the Hawks they gaved up ( 111 points ) to a garbage team. AI's mind was to try catching up to Kobe and he's been doing that everytime Kobe had a great game and he trys to overmatch Kobe's performance with his selfish player...

This is a team game I'm sure it would've help if he atleast tryed thinking about the game not his scoreing title.

 

[6th]

You don't need to score 53 points just to beat the Hawks they gaved up ( 111 points ) to a garbage team. AI's mind was to try catching up to Kobe and he's been doing that everytime Kobe had a great game and he trys to overmatch Kobe's performance with his selfish player...

This is a team game I'm sure it would've help if he atleast tryed thinking about the game not his scoreing title.

You have got to be kidding. AI's mind was in AI's mind....not anyone else's. AI has scored over 50 pts many times in his career. I seem to remember 1 or 2 other occasions this year alone. I am not a big AI fan, but to say that he is just trying to beat Kobe is simply ridiculous.

 

[loopymitch]

That was an awesome game, so glad I went. The hawks in the 4th were actually very good and Zaza surprised me. The Sixers defense killed them and why they kept Salmons in instead of putting Dalembert back in I don't know. He's a much better defender and they really needed it. AI seemed more ballhogish than ever, i really think kobe's 62 inspired him. C-Webb did not have a good game. He wasn't even shooting the first quarter and then when he did, his shot was off but it was very exciting and I had a great time. If only my friends wanted to go to the after party but they had company in for christmas and couldn't go

 

[Mad D]

You don't need to score 53 points just to beat the Hawks they gaved up ( 111 points ) to a garbage team. This is a team game I'm sure it would've help if he atleast tryed thinking about the game not his scoreing title.

The rest of the Sixers shot a combined 41%.

Iverson shot 55%.

The Hawks shot freaking 54% as a team tonight.

It was a team game tonight. The Sixers as a team lost by poor offensive execution and playing little to no defense.

Similar to the Nets game tonight where NJ shot 39% as a team and Vince Carter shot 52% scoring 52 himself. Only difference this time was the Heat shooting 38%. The Nets as a team won.

AI's mind was to try catching up to Kobe...

Catch up, isn't that what Kobe is doing since Iverson is still first in ppg?

BTW I'm not disagreeing with you with the selfish part

 

[SacTownKid]

Sixers definitely are. They have hope and have just been getting into a rhythm once they got their center back. Very good chance to be #3 in the East, and a decent chance to make it to the 2nd round off of that. Not enough defense to go all the way, but there is excitement back in that building.

So 80 million dollars in salary, cap locked for the next 5 years, and they make it to the 2nd round? And thats good enough?!

They don't have much flexiblity. I don't know if I really like their situation all that much.

Plus they were 13-14 this time last year. Not much improvement if you ask me.

I still think Chris isn't being used to his max potential. But with A.I., what are you going to do I guess.

 

[Bricklayer]

So 80 million dollars in salary, cap locked for the next 5 years, and they make it to the 2nd round? And thats good enough?!

They don't have much flexiblity. I don't know if I really like their situation all that much.

Plus they were 13-14 this time last year. Not much improvement if you ask me.

I still think Chris isn't being used to his max potential. But with A.I., what are you going to do I guess.

$80mil for the next 5 years??

Actually only $80 until next year. Then the dead weight of the Mashburn and MacCulloch contracts comes off the books, drops below $70 mil. for 07-08. Then Webb's deal comes off to drop below $50 mil for 09-09. (They will obviously have a lot of decisions to make and money to distribute betwen now and then).

Sixers have a very complete starting 5. #1 scorer, #2 scorer, 2 big rebounders, an outside shooter, 2 young guys who excel at defense, one of whom is a shotblocker... etc. If they can get their hands on one or two scrappy benchers with energy and defensive focus, they could make some noise. Not title noise. But noise nonetheless.

 

[SacTownKid]

$80mil for the next 5 years??

Actually only $80 until next year. Then the dead weight of the Mashburn and MacCulloch contracts comes off the books, drops below $70 mil. for 07-08. Then Webb's deal comes off to drop below $50 mil for 09-09. (They will obviously have a lot of decisions to make and money to distribute betwen now and then).

Sixers have a very complete starting 5. #1 scorer, #2 scorer, 2 big rebounders, an outside shooter, 2 young guys who excel at defense, one of whom is a shotblocker... etc. If they can get their hands on one or two scrappy benchers with energy and defensive focus, they could make some noise. Not title noise. But noise nonetheless.

They have 2 big rebounders yet they are the 24th best rebounding team in the league. Just doesn't add up to me.

Maybe they can get something going, but they are not contenders right now and haven't much hope IMO because of the 2 massive contracts sitting on their payroll. My arguement was that they aren't much better now than before and all the numbers show that. I think the players they traded away suited AI more. I don't think them trading for Chris Webber was a good idea.

Hey maybe I'm wrong, but right now it looks like they are stuck for the next 3 years being a mediocre team. And 3 years is an eternity in the NBA.

 

[ONEZERO]

Yeah when kobe has a great game and AI has one after he's trying to catch kobe but when AI has a great game and kobe has one after he's NOT trying to catch AI???

And like mad d said, who's leading in ppg? I rest my case...

 

[sloter]

They have 2 big rebounders yet they are the 24th best rebounding team in the league. Just doesn't add up to me.

Well, that's because there is still this illusion in Webber fans land that he is a rebounder, even though since his injury the teams that he's been on have been horrific rebounding teams.

 

[Zyphen]

Well it does add up if you consider their other big rebounder (Dalembert) has been out with an injury for like 50% of the games so far.

Here's Webb's rebounding numbers:

12.2 rebs at PF vs. opponent's 10.3
12.0 rebs at C vs. opponent's 10.7

The above is for the benefit of those that aren't satisfied with his raw 10 boards a game.

Webb is in the upper echelon of rebounders in the league. If the sixers have a deficit, it's cause the other players haven't been picking up the slack and/or are injured.

 

[Bricklayer]

They have 2 big rebounders yet they are the 24th best rebounding team in the league. Just doesn't add up to me.

There's no mystery to it -- Dalembert missed the first 15 games or whatever, and his replacement was Steven Hunter who is a TERRIBLE rebounder. Webb was in there completely alone on the glass -- averaging 10, and like us with only his OG even within remote shouting distance (Iggy's at 6.2).

By my unoffical and just quick boxscore scan, since Dalembert returned 13 games ago, the Sixers are at +5 (total) in rebounds. Slightly above average. If they had a dependable banger to bring off the bench, they'd cross over into being flat out good on the glass.

 

[Kris Kros]

It's not the Sixers. They did well.

It's the Hawks. We should give credit to what they had done lately. Like winning over the Spurs, Cavs and the Nuggets. And now the Sixers.

After losing 7 games straight from Nov 27-Dec 7, they won 5 of their last 7 games.

 

[Gargamel]

He ain't going to duplicate 62 in 3 even if he wanted too. That's unduplicatable, unless we clone Wilt.

 

[Padrino]

Well, that's because there is still this illusion in Webber fans land that he is a rebounder, even though since his injury the teams that he's been on have been horrific rebounding teams.

lol

i'm trying to figure this statement out. webber has been a near 20/10 guy his whole career. there's no illusion there. look at the stats. now, chris webber has played on two teams since his injury: the sacramento kings and the philadelphia 76ers. its no secret that the kings are a poor rebounding team. they have been since vlade's career started to slide a few years ago. as for the sixers, webb has played with them for less than a full season. they've got their own **** to figure out, but it is most certainly not webber's fault. he's pulling down about 10 a game, which is about what he's averaged his whole career. true, webb doesn't have the explosiveness he once had, but it does tell you something about him as a player: he's trying his damn hardest to play at as close a level to his former mvp self as he can. that's impressive, if you ask me, especially considering he's having to do it as the second fiddle to, unquestionably, the most selfish player in the nba. webb's got heart. even with a coupla bum knees he still manages to average more rebounds a game than any single king.

 

[Kings113]

It's not the Sixers. They did well.

It's the Hawks. We should give credit to what they had done lately. Like winning over the Spurs, Cavs and the Nuggets. And now the Sixers.

After losing 7 games straight from Nov 27-Dec 7, they won 5 of their last 7 games.

I've been giving them credit, indeed.

Brick is right about Philly.