Its officially time for Cousins to GO

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I love DMC and have been one of his biggest supporters, but its time for us to get rid of him. Getting benched in the clippers game for argueing with keith smart is the last straw. I know Smart is not exactly the best coach in the world but still, enough is enough. He still has a ton of value and we need to take advantage of that while we still can. Just a few ideas:

Cousins to the bobcats for Kidd-Gilchrist and their 1st round pick.

Cousins and Garcia to Houston for Asik and Parsons

Cousins to Boston for Bradley and Green and Fab Melo

Cousins to Miami for Bosh (not likely but still would ask)

Cousins to Washington for Beal and thier 1st round pick (DMC and John wall are buddies) maybe also Nene
 
Cousins to the bobcats for Kidd-Gilchrist and their 1st round pick.
No chance they do this.

Cousins and Garcia to Houston for Asik and Parsons
No chance they do this.

Cousins to Boston for Bradley and Green and Fab Melo
Boston still thinks their window is open. No chance they do this.

Cousins to Miami for Bosh (not likely but still would ask)
Riley would laugh until he had a heart attack.

Cousins to Washington for Beal and thier 1st round pick (DMC and John wall are buddies) maybe also Nene
Beal? We don't have enough SG's who can't shoot?
 
It looks like the rest of the team is playing their butts off this half. Usually a team would mail it in in support of their teammate, not here, the guy must be an absolute nutcase in the lockerroom. I'm sure theres a lot of stuff we never hear about.
 
close this thread. Open your eyes because the problem here is the coach. I hope Cousins gave him a mouthful because the coach is terrible. How would you like seeing your team playing like crap on both ends of the floor? There's absolutely no offensive or defensive system whatsoever which would make me really frustrated too. Cousins wants to win and Keith Smart is a loser in basketball standards. That's it. Plain and simple.
 
It looks like the rest of the team is playing their butts off this half. Usually a team would mail it in in support of their teammate, not here, the guy must be an absolute nutcase in the lockerroom. I'm sure theres a lot of stuff we never hear about.



the res tof the team is the little kid trying to punch the big kid, while the big kid palms their head and holds them at arms length.
 
the res tof the team is the little kid trying to punch the big kid, while the big kid palms their head and holds them at arms length.

doesn't matter, if his teammates were behind him and hated the coach they would have thrown the game. I like Cousin's potential, but the guy is clearly an immature nutcase, and being with this franchise is doing nothing for him. If everything stays as is, we will never see the true potential of Cousins in a Kings uniform, much like Rasheed Wallace or Zach Randolph in Portland. This franchise is just a complete mess and having a volatile 22 year old as your centerpiece is disaster waiting to happen.
 
No chance they do this.


No chance they do this.


Boston still thinks their window is open. No chance they do this.


Riley would laugh until he had a heart attack.


Beal? We don't have enough SG's who can't shoot?


This! I do agree we need to trade DMC. I've been saying that for 2 months but all these trade ideas are crazy. DMC doesn't nearly have the trade value you think he has. Why would he?
 
close this thread. Open your eyes because the problem here is the coach. I hope Cousins gave him a mouthful because the coach is terrible. How would you like seeing your team playing like crap on both ends of the floor? There's absolutely no offensive or defensive system whatsoever which would make me really frustrated too. Cousins wants to win and Keith Smart is a loser in basketball standards. That's it. Plain and simple.

Stop. Just stop. Enough is enough with DMC. His act has grown old.
 
doesn't matter, if his teammates were behind him and hated the coach they would have thrown the game. I like Cousin's potential, but the guy is clearly an immature nutcase, and being with this franchise is doing nothing for him. If everything stays as is, we will never see the true potential of Cousins in a Kings uniform, much like Rasheed Wallace or Zach Randolph in Portland. This franchise is just a complete mess and having a volatile 22 year old as your centerpiece is disaster waiting to happen.

Exactly!!
 
doesn't matter, if his teammates were behind him and hated the coach they would have thrown the game...

This is a fair, and undersold point. I mean, I agree with Bricklayer insofar as getting rid of a talent like Cousins for the sake of an unproven coach like Smart is a franchise-killing move. But, why are we assuming that the problem is just between Cousins and the coach? What if none of Cousins' teammates like him, either? There's no question that Smart needs to be gone, yesterday, but you can't very well trade the other twelve guys, too!
 
the res tof the team is the little kid trying to punch the big kid, while the big kid palms their head and holds them at arms length.

That doesn't exactly help your case in support of him because if he's being that much of a problem he's still at fault. Yeah Keith Smart's not the greatest coach, the ownership is pee poor, the GM is asleep at the wheel, etc. But the players still matter. DMC has franchise talent and he's not acting like a franchise player. He's acting like a spoiled 11 year old and if he thinks this is okay after what he's done in his first 2 year's he's flat out wrong. He's not putting himself in the best position to play well. Still not in great shape, doesn't play good defense, not rebounding like he's capable of, would rather shoot jumpers than post up, still makes horrible decisions, and his effort is iffy at best. His FG% is horrible for a big man his size. I love Cousins' talent but he's got to get his act together quick or this is not gonna work. You can still try to be a leader, good teammate, good player on the floor, professional, etc. He's not doing those things. And yes he's young and immature but guys like Carmelo, LeBron, Bosh, all came in at young ages and didn't have nearly this many problems. If they were injury problems I'd cut him some slack but he's causing these himself. A guy like KG was a leader right off the bat. At some point you have to accept that Cousins is more Rasheed Wallace/Zack Randolph than he is KG/Duncan.
 
That doesn't exactly help your case in support of him because if he's being that much of a problem he's still at fault. Yeah Keith Smart's not the greatest coach, the ownership is pee poor, the GM is asleep at the wheel, etc. But the players still matter. DMC has franchise talent and he's not acting like a franchise player. He's acting like a spoiled 11 year old and if he thinks this is okay after what he's done in his first 2 year's he's flat out wrong. He's not putting himself in the best position to play well. Still not in great shape, doesn't play good defense, not rebounding like he's capable of, would rather shoot jumpers than post up, still makes horrible decisions, and his effort is iffy at best. His FG% is horrible for a big man his size. I love Cousins' talent but he's got to get his act together quick or this is not gonna work. You can still try to be a leader, good teammate, good player on the floor, professional, etc. He's not doing those things. And yes he's young and immature but guys like Carmelo, LeBron, Bosh, all came in at young ages and didn't have nearly this many problems. If they were injury problems I'd cut him some slack but he's causing these himself. A guy like KG was a leader right off the bat. At some point you have to accept that Cousins is more Rasheed Wallace/Zack Randolph than he is KG/Duncan.
I'll beg to differ with that last part: Garnett was not a leader right off the bat. Garnett went to a team with Terry Porter, Sam Mitchell and Doug West, and later Terrell Brandon; they were the leaders. Not only was Garnett not the leader in the locker room off the bat, it took him three years to even become a leader on the court!
 
It's time to trade Cousins even if we get less talent in return. He will never get what it takes to be a good teammate and professional. Some guys will never get it.
 
It's time to trade Cousins even if we get less talent in return. He will never get what it takes to be a good teammate and professional. Some guys will never get it.
Some fourteen years ago, the exact same claim was made by Wizards fans about Mayce Edward Christopher Webber III.
 
Webber wasn't even close to DMC's knucklehead level. He also had way more charisma than DeMarcus does and ever will.
 
I'd rather have a bunch of high character guys that play together and play hard every night no matter what, then having a lazy only plays when he wants talented nutcase tbh. This franchise isn't winning anything anytime soon, at least try to field a group of likeable guys that play hard and together every single night and are professionals. I would definetly see what the trade market is for Cousins at this point.

Players worth keeping:
Tyreke
Jimmer
JT
Isaiah
T-Rob(only because he's a rookie)
Hayes
Garcia(high character vet, but i would like to see him play for a good team for once in his career, would be a good roleplayer imo)
 
I'd rather have a bunch of high character guys that play together and play hard every night no matter what, then having a lazy only plays when he wants talented nutcase tbh. This franchise isn't winning anything anytime soon, at least try to field a group of likeable guys that play hard and together every single night and are professionals. I would definetly see what the trade market is for Cousins at this point.

Players worth keeping:
Tyreke
Jimmer
JT
Isaiah
T-Rob(only because he's a rookie)
Hayes
Garcia(high character vet, but i would like to see him play for a good team for once in his career, would be a good roleplayer imo)

Likeability doesn't lead to wins as much as talent does. This is where an experienced coach and strong culture is so necessary for a young team. The core of guys you mentioned are a lottery team for a long time.
 
I'd rather have a bunch of high character guys that play together and play hard every night no matter what, then having a lazy only plays when he wants talented nutcase tbh. This franchise isn't winning anything anytime soon, at least try to field a group of likeable guys that play hard and together every single night and are professionals. I would definetly see what the trade market is for Cousins at this point.

Players worth keeping:
Tyreke
Jimmer
JT
Isaiah
T-Rob(only because he's a rookie)
Hayes
Garcia(high character vet, but i would like to see him play for a good team for once in his career, would be a good roleplayer imo)

He did... sort of...
 
Likeability doesn't lead to wins as much as talent does. This is where an experienced coach and strong culture is so necessary for a young team. The core of guys you mentioned are a lottery team for a long time.

This is the key thing.

If you want to go watch a group of guys you can trick yourself into thinking are all little darlings and work oh so hard it makes my heart gush and all that other nonsense, go watch high school ball. Sure they suck. But damn aren't they all just so likeable and efforty?

Now, you grow up, realize the world isn't about likable people, and that a large percentage of immensely successful people in the world are in one way or the other *******s, and then you get real and start to work on accumulating talent, and then finding an equal talent at the coaching position to throttle all the unruly on court talents into a unit. You will never win, EVER, with a bunch of hard working nobodies.

P.S. I sit just across the river from a team in New York that is composed almost 100% of guys who have been considered malcontents, prima donnas, lazy, coach killers, you name it. But they've got talent, great experience, and they came together and are now big winners and all of a sudden Melo is likeable. JKidd's little domestic abuse charges are things of the past, Chandler is no longer a lazy disappointment, he's a veteran rock. Felton isn't blatantly rebelling against his coach, he's making him look great etc. etc. Likeable guys all? Hardly. Talented guys though.
 
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Likeability doesn't lead to wins as much as talent does. This is where an experienced coach and strong culture is so necessary for a young team. The core of guys you mentioned are a lottery team for a long time.


The core of the guys we have now is a lottery team for a time to come. Demarcus and Tyreke are in there third and fourth years respectfully, at some point what you see is what you get. I can fully see where jcwkings is coming from, only Demarcus' trade value at this point is much less than what talent he does have
 
The core of the guys we have now is a lottery team for a time to come. Demarcus and Tyreke are in there third and fourth years respectfully, at some point what you see is what you get. I can fully see where jcwkings is coming from, only Demarcus' trade value at this point is much less than what talent he does have

I generally like to wait until a guy at least graduates from college before I what you see is what you get him. The world would be one messed up pot smoking video gaming beer ponging skirt chasing mess if that wasn't true.
 
Not sure why I'm even going to attempt to reply to this thread. Maybe because its christmas. Was Cuz out of line? Yeah, I guess! I mean I wasn't there, so I really don't know what was said. Personally, I know what I would have said to Smart at the half, and most of it couldn't be printed. So I'm guessing that Cousins said something along that line. The difference is, he's on the team, and I'm not. Frankly I'm getting a little tired of some of you rightous upstanding individuals, that apparently walk the straight and narrow. I expect that none of you have ever spoken a bad word in your life. Oh yeah, I know. None of you are getting paid to play basketball, because the moment you get paid, you automaticly fall into a different class with different rules.

Can we agree that Cousins cares, and that he wants to win. Is that possible? And because he wants to win, and because he's stupidly bought into Smarts pied pipper line of BS, he's feeling betrayed and frustrated. Sell a bill of goods to a young immature kid, and then fail that kid, and your in trouble. I know its difficult, but for just a momen, try and put yourself in Cousins shoes, and into his mind. He knows everything he does on the court, and some things off the court are under a magnifying glass. He knows that he has a reputation that precedes him, so he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt from the ref's, the media, and many of the fans. So when things are going south, and your personally playing well, and your still getting your head handed to you, what do you do?

Maybe you ask your coach why? Why isn't this working? Did all of you watch the second quarter? It was a frigging disastor. No one passed the ball. Everyone took turns making turnovers. Does anyone realize that Jimmer came in at the beginning of the second quarter, and didn't even touch the ball until just under 7 minutes had gone by in that quarter. And I mean, he actually was in the game, and didn't touch the ball for almost 7 minutes. How is it possible for one of five players on the floor to not even touch the ball? And this isn't about Jimmer, its about how the team was playing. If I'm Cousins, and I'm sitting on the bench watching that, I think I might have had some issues with the coach at halftime.

The problem with the team isn't Cousins, and it isn't IT or Jimmer or any one player. The problem is the coach. I had the feeling that those guys that played most of the second half, and finished the game, were playing for respect, and not for Smart. Was Cousins wrong for mouthing off, if thats what he did? Yes! Someone has to be in charge, and that someone, at least for the moment is Smart. So you have to air your differences with respect. I'm assuming that Cuz didn't do that. However, he did, with hat in hand apologize to Smart and to his teammates. I'm sure he learned a lesson in humility. Always a hard pill to swallow.

As far as wanting to trade Cousins. I'll just keep my mouth shut instead of respondinig to that idea. "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".
 
i'm conflicted with this.

part of me thinks cousins should have held his tongue and just played. i know he is young but he acts like a brat and makes dumb mistakes. on the other hand, i am happy he yelled at smart because nobody else has. regardless, this team needs to sign or trade for a veteran center to tutor cousins. by veteran i mean a 30 something guy with a couple years left who is content with small minutes and wants to get into coaching when he is done playing.
 
I haven't even finished watching the game, but when i heard DMC was "left behind" i came on to see what happened.

I've no problem with someone saying a few home truths in the locker room if thats what it was, maybe the coach didn't like having his "authority" undermined. But i will wait until we know what went down before i say anything on that.

Maybe he will have done us a favor in the long run.
 
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