It's all Cousins' fault - 2K16-17

Suicide King said:
I was unable to include the hundreds of other players in the NBA.
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Do superstars on popular teams get better calls? Yes, is life fair no, but if u are on a terrible small market team you must change your behavior. You simply should know better. Period end of story.
 
jcwkings said:
There he is surrounded by elite talent and coached by elite coaches, another fish in the pond representing his country. Here he is the Megaladon of the Sacramento Kings.
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In other words, as an Olympian he can't get away with it; as a King he can. So it's not that Cousins can't help himself from acting the way he does. He willfully chooses to act the way he does. I actually would have more compassion for a guy who can't help doing what he does because of some mental defect. Cousins appears to be intentionally acting out to further some personal ends, and in so doing puts himself ahead of the team.
 
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Fora Dragi said:
Do superstars on popular teams get better calls? Yes, is life fair no, but if u are on a terrible small market team you must change your behavior. You simply should know better. Period end of story.
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I guess I have just never been one to except perceived injustices and say " Oh well. Just the way it has to be". I am not much of a conformist.
I am just a fan on the Kings Fans forums. You don't have to agree with anything I have to say. Everyone has a right to an opinion.
 
The Olympic experience is appropriate to bring up during this discussion. Cousins avoided the antics, got back on defense and was a role player. He was very careful not to embarrass himself of disappoint his talented team mates. Too bad he sees no reason to treat his Kings' team mates the same way.
 
jcwkings said:
Think about it like if its in your work environment, if there was a guy that was great at his job but was constantly nagging and complaining, yelling at your manager from clock in time to clock out time, would it not rub you the wrong way? I find it hard to believe that at least on the court some teammates don't get annoyed with Cousin's antics. Especially him being so good and coddled by the organization that you can't really do much to confront issues with him.
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That is a question for his teammates but in the work environment for people, I feel as though people take notice but don't let it affect their own performance. Honestly in my environment, I'm a teacher, I'm more concerned with some teachers who don't perform at a higher level. The teachers who are opinionated in staff meetings, we have a couple, are teachers who deliver. But bottom line, if our boss is strong, people tend to stay in their own lane and take care of themselves first. I find that when they start worrying too much about other people, that is a major problem. Take care of your own business first.

The other point I'd refer to is that it didnt keep the FA's that signed here from doing so.....but really the only people that know that for sure are the players. Draymond Green is the closest guy to this category and the Warriors seem to do ok because of the talent around them and they win. I just think its overblown but only the players would really know that. It does appear that Cousins is well liked off the court.....so I don't know if I buy that line of thinking.
 
ppine said:
The Olympic experience is appropriate to bring up during this discussion. Cousins avoided the antics, got back on defense and was a role player. He was very careful not to embarrass himself of disappoint his talented team mates. Too bad he sees no reason to treat his Kings' team mates the same way.
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The key of him getting back on D was that he was a roleplayer.
The key for his improved behaviour was, that his Team was winning.
 
dude12 said:
That is a question for his teammates but in the work environment for people, I feel as though people take notice but don't let it affect their own performance. Honestly in my environment, I'm a teacher, I'm more concerned with some teachers who don't perform at a higher level. The teachers who are opinionated in staff meetings, we have a couple, are teachers who deliver. But bottom line, if our boss is strong, people tend to stay in their own lane and take care of themselves first. I find that when they start worrying too much about other people, that is a major problem. Take care of your own business first.

The other point I'd refer to is that it didnt keep the FA's that signed here from doing so.....but really the only people that know that for sure are the players. Draymond Green is the closest guy to this category and the Warriors seem to do ok because of the talent around them and they win. I just think its overblown but only the players would really know that. It does appear that Cousins is well liked off the court.....so I don't know if I buy that line of thinking.
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The flaw in your statement is that your job for the most part is individual. Im sure there are team oriented goals as a faculty but you can pretty much put you blinkers up and go on about your day. Basketball is a team sport, so maybe a group of construction workers is a better normal life comparison.
 
Suicide King said:
I guess I have just never been one to except perceived injustices and say " Oh well. Just the way it has to be". I am not much of a conformist.
I am just a fan on the Kings Fans forums. You don't have to agree with anything I have to say. Everyone has a right to an opinion.
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Yes, just like I have a right to say Cousins has worn out his welcome.
 
jcwkings said:
The flaw in your statement is that your job for the most part is individual. Im sure there are team oriented goals as a faculty but you can pretty much put you blinkers up and go on about your day. Basketball is a team sport, so maybe a group of construction workers is a better normal life comparison.
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It's not a flaw in my statement. It's individuals working on their classroom and at the same time, they must work as a team....trust me, it's more than you think for there to a breakdown. Does it compare to a basketball team? Not in that sense. I know where your going with this. I don't buy that line of thinking. It's one reason I and others are on one side of the fence and you and others are on the other side of the fence. There won't be a resolution.
 
I still don't understand why the organization allows Napear to go at Cousins on his radio show?

The organization is allowing one of its employees to run its best asset out of town?
 
I guess this is our once a month Cousins discussion. Can't wait for the next one. I realize that some of you don't like Cousins, so therefore, nothing he does right is going to be recognized, and everything bad he does, is going to be highlighted. He's the best center in the NBA, and lets hammer the hell out of him. Not saying that mistakes shouldn't be pointed out, but that's different than painting with a broad brush. Maybe some of you got bullied by a big kid when you were little. Or maybe some of you are 5'7" and have a height complex. Yeah yeah, I know, that's politically incorrect. So sue me!

Here's the thing. Cousins is not without flaws, I get that, but when all is said and done, which would you rather have? A really nice kid that's 7 feet tall, who never complains to the ref's. Always gets back on defense, averages 2 fouls a game, and seldom if ever gets a technical. Oh, and he averages 10 points a game along with 6 to 7 rebounds a game. Or, would you rather have Cousins, flaws and all? Personally, I'm taking Cousins. Why? Because the other guy is a dime a dozen, and Cousins is one in a million. So I'll ***** a little when I think he's forgetting to get back on defense when the ball is live, but I'll happily live with it. Cousins is a double edged sword. You don't get one without the other.

This stuff about the Olympic's is nonsense. Yes, of course he was on his best behavior. He was also on his own dime. Remember also, the rules are different. You can foul out of a game quicker, and despite all the efforts to the contrary, there's a tad of bias from the officials at times. Tell me that if you go to a special event your not on your best behavior. Especially if it's an event you really wanted to go to. The NBA is his job! I realize that when you go to a game, your going to an event, but to him, it's his daily routine. That's not to excuse bad behavior, but don't compare his NBA behavior to his Olympic behavior. When you play 82 games, you going to have some bumps in the road. Much easier to maintain good behavior for 6 games or so.
 
bajaden said:
I guess this is our once a month Cousins discussion. Can't wait for the next one. I realize that some of you don't like Cousins, so therefore, nothing he does right is going to be recognized, and everything bad he does, is going to be highlighted. He's the best center in the NBA, and lets hammer the hell out of him. Not saying that mistakes shouldn't be pointed out, but that's different than painting with a broad brush. Maybe some of you got bullied by a big kid when you were little. Or maybe some of you are 5'7" and have a height complex. Yeah yeah, I know, that's politically incorrect. So sue me!

Here's the thing. Cousins is not without flaws, I get that, but when all is said and done, which would you rather have? A really nice kid that's 7 feet tall, who never complains to the ref's. Always gets back on defense, averages 2 fouls a game, and seldom if ever gets a technical. Oh, and he averages 10 points a game along with 6 to 7 rebounds a game. Or, would you rather have Cousins, flaws and all? Personally, I'm taking Cousins. Why? Because the other guy is a dime a dozen, and Cousins is one in a million. So I'll ***** a little when I think he's forgetting to get back on defense when the ball is live, but I'll happily live with it. Cousins is a double edged sword. You don't get one without the other.

This stuff about the Olympic's is nonsense. Yes, of course he was on his best behavior. He was also on his own dime. Remember also, the rules are different. You can foul out of a game quicker, and despite all the efforts to the contrary, there's a tad of bias from the officials at times. Tell me that if you go to a special event your not on your best behavior. Especially if it's an event you really wanted to go to. The NBA is his job! I realize that when you go to a game, your going to an event, but to him, it's his daily routine. That's not to excuse bad behavior, but don't compare his NBA behavior to his Olympic behavior. When you play 82 games, you going to have some bumps in the road. Much easier to maintain good behavior for 6 games or so.
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Maybe some of us can see he has flaws. Maybe the others choose to ignore that he has any.
 
Being nice or stoic or whatever people are looking for with Cuz doesn't translate to wins. That's not how sports works or any meritocracy really. This team doesn't win because it's failed to surround it's best player with any sort of talent or consistency. I just feel sorry for him at this point and if we put together another disappointing year I'll be actively rooting for him to to be traded for his own sake.
 
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Bricklayer said:
I think I can see a few of your flaws already, and I only just met you.

Boogie has flaws, so does everyone. The flaws are utterly dwarfed, on the court, by the massive talent and production. The supermodel has a zit.
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Really ok. Pretty sure you never met me. But whatever if dumping on me makes u feel like a man. His teams have always lost. His teammates hate him. That's all I can tell you. And for me that's good enough. Time to go.
 
Fora Dragi said:
Really ok. Pretty sure you never met me. But whatever if dumping on me makes u feel like a man. His teams have always lost. His teammates hate him. That's all I can tell you. And for me that's good enough. Time to go.
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So in your mind, without Boogie, how much better would this team be? I'm honestly curious.
 
Fora Dragi said:
Really ok. Pretty sure you never met me. But whatever if dumping on me makes u feel like a man. His teams have always lost. His teammates hate him. That's all I can tell you. And for me that's good enough. Time to go.
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And again, anyone for whom that is as far as the analysis goes...it says a tremendous bit.

And having contempt is not the same thing as dumping.
 
Bricklayer said:
And again, anyone for whom that is as far as the analysis goes...it says a tremendous bit.

And having contempt is not the same thing as dumping.
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really? Cuz the results have fit the conclusion. But hey u can have fairy tale thoughts. And whatever helps u sleep at night homie. Proud of you big boy
 
bajaden said:
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This stuff about the Olympic's is nonsense. Yes, of course he was on his best behavior. He was also on his own dime. Remember also, the rules are different. You can foul out of a game quicker, and despite all the efforts to the contrary, there's a tad of bias from the officials at times. Tell me that if you go to a special event your not on your best behavior. Especially if it's an event you really wanted to go to. The NBA is his job! I realize that when you go to a game, your going to an event, but to him, it's his daily routine. That's not to excuse bad behavior, but don't compare his NBA behavior to his Olympic behavior. When you play 82 games, you going to have some bumps in the road. Much easier to maintain good behavior for 6 games or so.
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One would think that getting paid millions of dollars would induce one to be even more on good behavior than not getting paid for it. Certainly, there doesn't seem to be much respect for his employer and the awareness that he is getting paid for this and he owe's it to his employer to not act out. Cousins isn't acting out because he's getting paid. He's acting out because he can get away with it. Also, Cousins hasn't even played 10 games yet, not 82 and we're having this discussion, so I don't see how the 82 game season is relevant to the discussion.
 
Fora Dragi said:
They would be just as bad for a few years. But it's time to move on. For both parties.
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They'd be horrendously worse. They are at a 110 OFRTG with Boogie on the floor (top 5 team in the league) and 84.5 rating with him off the floor which would worse than the 76ers. They wouldn't win 10 games without him. They'd be historically bad.
 
Fora Dragi said:
Yes, just like I have a right to say Cousins has worn out his welcome.
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You know, you're rapidly approaching the city limits of Trollville. If you're ONLY here to bash DMC, then you're not really a Kings fan. There are people here who have consistently stated their disapproval of Boogie, but they also manage to make cogent comments about the Kings in general. You might want to try it.
 
Boogie_Fever said:
They'd be horrendously worse. They are at a 110 OFRTG with Boogie on the floor (top 5 team in the league) and 84.5 rating with him off the floor which would worse than the 76ers. They wouldn't win 10 games without him. They'd be historically bad.
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But it would be okay, because in the process of winning 8 games all season long each and every player on the roster would be smiling, kissing babies, shaking ref's hands, and singing kumbaya in harmony together.
 
So his demeanor was much better, he dominated his matchups at will, he got back in time (mostly because he was very efficient on the offensive end and didn't have to beat his man in an uphill battle down the court), he even tried to do a little WCS pick&roll defense - aggressively stepping out to the guard (with mixed results, because he simply is a big heavy man and not WCS).
And we still lost folks.
For me that's pretty telling and one reason I don't buy the narrative, that Boogies behaviour is as bad for the team as people think.
I agree with Brick or Bajaden - it's a weakness, it's not a pleasure to watch, but his strengths clearly are greater than his weaknesses. It's the job of Coach Joerger to find a way to cover his weaknesses. Pulling him from the game, when his effort on D isn't there is a very good step into the right direction.
 
VF21 said:
You know, you're rapidly approaching the city limits of Trollville. If you're ONLY here to bash DMC, then you're not really a Kings fan. There are people here who have consistently stated their disapproval of Boogie, but they also manage to make cogent comments about the Kings in general. You might want to try it.
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I have season tickets. I definitely support the team and have for the last few decades. however I will not go easy on them because I'm no homer. I'm not going to pretend that this team is anything but terrible.
 
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