Isaiah Thomas watch

[Letsgokings13]

Wow, that is bad.

 

[Bricklayer]

案dテャt輪s園散れlyめぽいんt.

You said WHAT about my moms???

 

[Chubbs]

I agree a lot with this. I think Jerry and Grant used IT as hope for fans. We've had little to none success in a long time and Isaiah was the spark that probably kept some fans from not turning off the TV or even stop watching. The major problem with the Kings have everything to do with previous ownerships and little to do with IT.

Our roster sucked and IT was practically forced into the starting lineup. I think IT just felt like there was no other PG better than him on the Kings..which was true. Our team just sucked bad for the longest...and this year we're trying to build a REAL basketball team. I think IT and the FO don't mix because we see him as a 6th man off the bench, but he feels like someone like Collison isn't better than him. He's probably ok with coming off the bench at Phoenix because he's playing behind guys who are better than him.

IT will fit perfectly in Phoenix because he can give them scoring and a deeper bench. He doesn't fit as a starting PG on our team because we don't need his scoring in the starting lineup. IT would probably only want to stay here if we guaranteed him as the starter.. that was never going to happen...which is why he's not here today. IT is a great offensive player with big heart, but I think a lot of fans have to just get over it.. best wishes to him in Phoenix.

No, he is not OK coming off the bench. He's going to miss Sacramento and be looking for a way out of PHX quick. He considers himself one of the best guards in the league.

"They haven’t said anything. I want to start. But, whatever’s best for the team. We’ve got three of the best guards in the league."

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/10/09/isaiah-thomas-phoenix-suns-want-start/

 

[HereWeBoogie]

Why do some care what goes on at STR? Just curious

i hate the layout of that site.

 

[ninjabiscuit]

He's probably OK with coming off the bench at Phoenix because he's playing behind guys who are better than him.

I wish Isaiah well. However, I don't agree that he'll be okay coming off the bench, and I don't think that he would agree that he's playing behind guys that are better than him. In fact, I would be very interested in seeing the list of guards that Isaiah thinks are better than him. I'll bet it's not a long list.

 

[rainmaker]

I just have no idea what Cuz was referring to when he said the ball moves better and there's less over-dribbling now......

Boogie was obviously grabbing at straws.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

A perfect example of why I couldn't wait to see him on another team. Everyone else working for position, while rarely being rewarded with a touch. I guarantee all the vets wanted this guy gone. Cuz, Rudy, JT.

The best move this front office has made, in not signing him. A real on the court "culture change" decision

 

[206Fan]

A perfect example of why I couldn't wait to see him on another team. Everyone else working for position, while rarely being rewarded with a touch. I guarantee all the vets wanted this guy gone. Cuz, Rudy, JT.

The best move this front office has made, in not signing him. A real on the court "culture change" decision

I'm glad the Kings did not bring IT back. He doesn't provide the things that the Kings needed. He fits perfectly at Phoenix being a 6th man off the bench. I remember several times hearing Grant and Jerry praising IT for keeping the play alive...while this is what he was doing the entire time,....

These are the types of plays that killed our team last year.

 

[kingsboi]

that IT gif is priceless!! HAHAHA good riddance IT...wise decision Pete.

 

[The_Jamal]

You're still confused about the difference between critique and animus.



Critique = Isaiah takes a lot of shots, he is squeezing out the rest of the roster. I support replacing him with players who shoot less so that there is more shots to go around.



Note: I disagree with the above opinion. But I wouldn't hold it against someone for believing that.



Animus = Isaiah is selfish, only cares about himself, is a locker room cancer, nobody likes him on the team! How do we know? Look at this tweet! Look at the way Rudy just looked at him! Look at this quote! Burn the witch!



I've been on this board for a long time. I don't think I've seen anything quite like what happened with Isaiah last year. There was a lot of stupid hand-wringing over Tyreke's speeding ticket, but that was a public embarrassment. DeMarcus' episodes are well-documented, but also very public. I was here when we were defending Artest's psychotic episodes, his dog-feeding scandal, etc. You can't possibly equate people overreacting to those visceral situations to the nitpicking that was so prevalent all of last year. Something that is rather unique to this board. And I don't buy the argument that format somehow is more conducive to bringing it out. I think it comes out here because for some reason its more acceptable here, and would otherwise be called out elsewhere.



People will have their favorite players and their not-so-favorite players. That’s fine. That shouldn't preclude calling a situation for what it is.

I'll just leave this here as response to the last few posts. It's amazing we just get done talking about stupid nonsensical "analysis" of IT and then it happens again off a Gif.

 

[mac]

I'll just leave this here as response to the last few posts. It's amazing we just get done talking about stupid nonsensical "analysis" of IT and then it happens again off a Gif.

So you are saying that we shouldn't judge how a player plays based on a clip of his play that is arguably fairly representative of his overall play?

 

[The Hammer]

I'll just leave this here as response to the last few posts. It's amazing we just get done talking about stupid nonsensical "analysis" of IT and then it happens again off a Gif.

The difference is that that is exactly how IT played most of his time with us, and all of us know it.

 

[RaY Z]

The little baby wants to start.

http://hoopshabit.com/2014/10/09/isaiah-thomas-phoenix-suns-want-start/

Poor Isaiah

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

even if we split enough hairs to come to the conclusion that kf.com has some sort of "animus" towards isaiah thomas that is grossly out of proportion with the perception of isaiah thomas everywhere else, does it really matter? does it mean anything now that he's no longer a sacramento king? and does the team's decision to cut ties with thomas inform the "nitpicking" to any degree, or at least cast it in a different light?

personally, i find it very easy to equate "people overreacting to those visceral situations to the nitpicking that was so prevalent all of last year." demarcus cousins' flaws are certainly very real, but they've been overstated to no less a degree than thomas' flaws. does replacing thomas' name in the following series of proclamations ring any less true to some of the long-held perceptions of demarcus? "[Demarcus] is selfish, only cares about himself, is a locker room cancer, nobody likes him on the team! How do we know? Look at this tweet! Look at the way [Tyreke] just looked at him! Look at this quote! Burn the witch!"

this same level of "animus" occurred all over kf.com during cousins' first few years with the kings. i'd hazard to guess that the vitriol for cousins on this website at that time was much stronger than it ever was for isaiah (kings fans are historically derogatory towards players with deficiencies of attitude). the major difference between the two situations is that most of the posters who were hellbent on spitting venom in the direction of demarcus cousins at every turn have since disappeared from kf.com in the wake of cousins' growth towards respectability and stardom, while isaiah's biggest critics remain...

now, if you want to address the weird obsessions that result from contact with players through social media, then you'll find no disagreement from me. however, i'd simply offer that the social media age has dramatically altered the way fans interact with the game. the rise of the nba's social media presence has coincided with the rise of absurd over-analysis of player tweets and the like. if you spend enough time on twitter during any sporting event, you will find vitriolic commentary and heavy-handed scrutiny no less ridiculous than what you've found here at kf.com. do i think it's a silly practice, and more than a tad childish? yes, absolutely. i see little value in scrutinizing a player's every utterance via social media, but it's hardly a unique phenomenon, even with respect to the once and former pizza guy...

Given how this thread has turned a mere one page afterwards, I find this post really funny. You want to argue that this is the same kind of treatment Evans or Cousins or anyone else got, be my guest. Harder and harder to see a credible argument for that.

By the way, while everybody is laughing at one five second .gif, Isaiah dropped a cool 18 points 4 assists on 5/9 FG, 2/4 on threes, 6/7 on FTs. The team was +18 when he was on the court. So I'm sure Phoenix is crying over that kind of production they got for $7 million per year.

 

[The_Jamal]

Given how this thread has turned a mere one page afterwards, I find this post really funny. You want to argue that this is the same kind of treatment Evans or Cousins or anyone else got, be my guest. Its not credible anymore.

By the way, while everybody is laughing at one five second .gif, Isaiah dropped a cool 18 points 4 assists on 5/9 FG, 2/4 on threes, 6/7 on FTs. The team was +18 when he was on the court. So I'm sure Phoenix is crying over that kind of production they got for $7 million per year.

Oh stop it! You obviously don't understand basketball if you can't see that GIF 100% represents who IT is as a player and what he does on the floor. Have you read his twitter lately? Remember that time he might have called Cuz out on Twitter?

It actually has gotten to the point of hilarity with this board and Isaiah Thomas and how delusional some are about who he is as a player.

 

[The_Jamal]

So you are saying that we shouldn't judge how a player plays based on a clip of his play that is arguably fairly representative of his overall play?

For starters, LOL if you actually think a 5 second clip of anything represents anything about IT's game or anyone's game for that matter. I could make 5 second GIFs of a hundred players in the NBA hogging like that, so would that tell me anything about their game? 2. Of course I'm saying you shouldn't judge a player by a 5 second clip.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Anyone who's interested in cutting through the nonsensical sniping/circle-jerking and wants to know how Isaiah actually did in his debut for the Suns (given that this is the Isaiah Thomas watch thread), here you go:

 

[VF21]

So you are saying that we shouldn't judge how a player plays based on a clip of his play that is arguably fairly representative of his overall play?

Not unless said clip reinforces your point of view.

 

[VF21]

Oh stop it! You obviously don't understand basketball if you can't see that GIF 100% represents who IT is as a player and what he does on the floor. Have you read his twitter lately? Remember that time he might have called Cuz out on Twitter?

It actually has gotten to the point of hilarity with this board and Isaiah Thomas and how delusional some are about who he is as a player.

Truth be told, the hilarity ensues with posts like this one. I think your head would actually explode if you let even one critical comment about the great and powerful Isaiah go unanswered.

Can you honestly say that gif wasn't representative of way too many plays by IT during his time as a King? That, of course, is a rhetorical question because I'm certain any response you might post would contain nothing but either denials or straw men to disprove our lying eyes.

Delusion runs both ways.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Dribble, dribble, dribble, bounce, bounce, bounce.....

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Truth be told, the hilarity ensues with posts like this one. I think your head would actually explode if you let even one critical comment about the great and powerful Isaiah go unanswered.

a) the bolded is the same kind of straw man you complain about in the same exact post
b) This is a discussion forum, probably not the best place to post if you expect posts to go uncriticized

 

[Tetsujin]

Given how this thread has turned a mere one page afterwards, I find this post really funny. You want to argue that this is the same kind of treatment Evans or Cousins or anyone else got, be my guest. Harder and harder to see a credible argument for that.

By the way, while everybody is laughing at one five second .gif, Isaiah dropped a cool 18 points 4 assists on 5/9 FG, 2/4 on threes, 6/7 on FTs. The team was +18 when he was on the court. So I'm sure Phoenix is crying over that kind of production they got for $7 million per year.

Here's what I will say about Isaiah's performance last night: It was better than Goran Dragic's night, for sure. I thought he looked shaky in his first stint on the floor against Flamengo (we should also remember that the Suns were playing a team they literally won't see again in their lives), an odd combination of gun shy and tepidity that really isn't good for a guy of IT's stature to have. In his second stint out there in the third quarter, I thought he looked much more aggressive and consequently better, thought that aggression does tend to lead to things like the much remarked upon .gif.

 

[mac]

Truth be told, the hilarity ensues with posts like this one. I think your head would actually explode if you let even one critical comment about the great and powerful Isaiah go unanswered.

Can you honestly say that gif wasn't representative of way too many plays by IT during his time as a King? That, of course, is a rhetorical question because I'm certain any response you might post would contain nothing but either denials or straw men to disprove our lying eyes.

Delusion runs both ways.

But we are Kingsfans.com, haters of all things IT. We are wrong and never watched IT play a single game for 3 years. We are only basing our opinions off a 5 second clip.

 

[Tetsujin]

But we are Kingsfans.com, haters of all things IT. We are wrong and never watched IT play a single game for 3 years. We are only basing our opinions off a 5 second clip.

I personally have never seen a Kings game in my life. I only base my writing off of box scores and anonymous messages on twitter.

 

[Bricklayer]

Here's what I will say about Isaiah's performance last night: It was better than Goran Dragic's night, for sure. I thought he looked shaky in his first stint on the floor against Flamengo (we should also remember that the Suns were playing a team they literally won't see again in their lives), an odd combination of gun shy and tepidity that really isn't good for a guy of IT's stature to have. In his second stint out there in the third quarter, I thought he looked much more aggressive and consequently better, thought that aggression does tend to lead to things like the much remarked upon .gif.

I think that was similar to what we saw last year. In some bizarre warped mirror fashion, actually a bit similar to what we saw with JWill years ago. Basically...IT has to play his game. When he plays his game he has bigtime swag. But unfortunately his game is all aggressions and selfishness. That IS the IT game. That clip above is just a clip, but its also vintage Allen Iverson. Now what we saw last year is that later in the season after complaints arose Malone tried to tame IT, and IT I thought DID try to play differently. He tried to come out, pass it a little more, set guys up...but in the process all of the sparkle went out of his game and literally Darren Collison can play that role and be at least as effective. He looked almost depressed and certainly completely generic. But then the other guys would leave the game, and IT would very noticeably change gears and suddenly it would be me, me, me. But the thing is, that's what he is good at. So it would be me, me, me, me but also score, score, score. He needs to paly his game to be IT. Its something I have felt from the beginning. And its also why I always felt that if you could stuff his ego into a box and convince him to come off the bench, you would be getting the most IT bang for the buck. He could come off the bench firing, be 100% himself, and yet not ballhog the ball away from the starters. Then you send him back to the bench. But when he's having to think, which in IT's case means when he's having to worry about the feelings of others out there, he loses all that sparkle. And yes to the true haters out there, he does have sparkle. But only at what he comes naturally to him.

 

[dude12]

Our franchise center is glad IT is gone. That should speak volumes.

 

[funkykingston]

I think that was similar to what we saw last year. In some bizarre warped mirror fashion, actually a bit similar to what we saw with JWill years ago. Basically...IT has to play his game. When he plays his game he has bigtime swag. But unfortunately his game is all aggressions and selfishness. That IS the IT game. That clip above is just a clip, but its also vintage Allen Iverson. Now what we saw last year is that later in the season after complaints arose Malone tried to tame IT, and IT I thought DID try to play differently. He tried to come out, pass it a little more, set guys up...but in the process all of the sparkle went out of his game and literally Darren Collison can play that role and be at least as effective. He looked almost depressed and certainly completely generic. But then the other guys would leave the game, and IT would very noticeably change gears and suddenly it would be me, me, me. But the thing is, that's what he is good at. So it would be me, me, me, me but also score, score, score. He needs to paly his game to be IT. Its something I have felt from the beginning. And its also why I always felt that if you could stuff his ego into a box and convince him to come off the bench, you would be getting the most IT bang for the buck. He could come off the bench firing, be 100% himself, and yet not ballhog the ball away from the starters. Then you send him back to the bench. But when he's having to think, which in IT's case means when he's having to worry about the feelings of others out there, he loses all that sparkle. And yes to the true haters out there, he does have sparkle. But only at what he comes naturally to him.

Pretty much sums up my feelings on the topic. The big failing for the Kings during IT's tenure was not securing a good enough starting quality PG to firmly plant IT as a sub. JJ Barea got overpaid for one series where his quickness and nose for the hoop exploited old and slow Laker guards. IT could have had that kind of impact against pretty much every team. But when you take that game/skillset and give it the reins to the team as a starter you have a stagnant offense, especially when the other two main scorers (especially Gay) also have sticky fingers with the ball. Thomas is an undeniably good scorer who was and should be ideal off the bench

 

[mac]

Pretty much sums up my feelings on the topic. The big failing for the Kings during IT's tenure was not securing a good enough starting quality PG to firmly plant IT as a sub. JJ Barea got overpaid for one series where his quickness and nose for the hoop exploited old and slow Laker guards. IT could have had that kind of impact against pretty much every team. But when you take that game/skillset and give it the reins to the team as a starter you have a stagnant offense, especially when the other two main scorers (especially Gay) also have sticky fingers with the ball. Thomas is an undeniably good scorer who was and should be ideal off the bench

I'm not sure you would be able to truly "firmly plant IT as a sub" though. Even behind Dragic and Bledsoe he's looking to be a starter. So the question is ... can you still play him off the bench at the same effectiveness despite him not accepting a bench role? If so, then it doesn't matter as much what his ego is.

 

[pshn80]

Our franchise center is glad IT is gone. That should speak volumes.

IT IS gone and so why speak of it or IT? I finally came on here to see what news there was about how he is doing and guess what ..... there was none, just the same old arguments from old threads that I hought long dead.

 

[Hadlowe]

I personally have never seen a Kings game in my life. I only base my writing off of box scores and anonymous messages on twitter.

I divine my Kings information and analysis from clouds and goat entrails.