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Isaiah Thomas revisited...
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randymoss1881
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And to those morons who want to trade DMC just look here.
Now in agin this's 2 winning a ring in Boston with an elite coach.
Now in agin this's 2 winning a ring in Boston with an elite coach.
enigma99a
Bench
We need to not blow it with Curry. This guy needs to be our starting PG when we get a new coach next season
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...er-option-kings-seth-curry-would-have-options
http://mweb.cbssports.com/nba/eye-o...er-option-kings-seth-curry-would-have-options
fansinceday1
Starter
The kings decision to not fire karl at the all star break might have far reaching effects.
This organization is poison to ones career and DMC and Curry would do themselves a big favor in leaving.
Boogie_Fever
G-League
IT is doing well for himself and also is very fortunate to be part of an organization that built a great core and has a fantastic young coach. Those guys are one superstar away from challenging the Cavs and maybe even the Warriors in a 7 game series. Imagine that core with Kevin Durant or even Boogie on that team paired with Avery Bradley and IT. Sheesh.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
18 moves ahead-
Padrino
All-Star
i'm still waiting to see what happens to isaiah's place on this celtics team when they flip a few of their assets for a big time star of some kind or another. perhaps IT will be fine in such a scenario. brad stevens is an excellent head coach, after all, and they've got a great defensive culture in place. that said, i remain unconvinced that thomas can smoothly coexist in a starting unit with other ball dominant players. right now, he's given a very long leash with which to be himself. but when he's no longer able to freelance as a first option, does he still contribute to winning basketball? i'm certainly not rooting against him, but i am curious about how he fits into future celtics starting lineups when he's not surrounded by four role players who have no problem deferring to him. danny ainge has made no secret about his desire to transform some combination of the celtics' young players and their stable of draft picks into an impact player or two...
jcwkings
All-Star
.Great for IT, makes me sick thinking about how this dumb franchise handled him. I also remember seeing some posters on here(they know who they are) saying that his 3rd season here where he averaged 20 on a 28 win team would be the highlight of his career. He has had a better season than any Kings player this year, you can tell his teammates look to him, he inspires them. That is what great leaders do, guys that have those intangibles are invaluable in this league. That is sorely missing from the Sacramento Kings. At least we got Alex Oriahki though.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Now IT looks like he may be getting suspended for next game. I can only imagine Grant's rant if Cousins got himself suspended for a playoff game. I somehow have doubts his response here is going to have the same vitriol.
Showtime
Starter
Great read on his journey with the Celtics. A few things that stood out to me:
I really like what Ainge and Brad Stevens are doing in Boston, but this part stings. We've seen many times this franchise misuse talent, prove unable to develop talent, and pass on talent. I wish IT well and am glad he's found a home in the NBA.
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/isaiah-thomas-celtics-boston-letter/
I really like what Ainge and Brad Stevens are doing in Boston, but this part stings. We've seen many times this franchise misuse talent, prove unable to develop talent, and pass on talent. I wish IT well and am glad he's found a home in the NBA.
http://www.theplayerstribune.com/isaiah-thomas-celtics-boston-letter/
Well, nothing about our former IT, but if Isiah Thomas thinks that IT has never seen real fans, I'd like to point him to our record sell-out streak, and to the way that we mobilized to help save our team when our owners were trying to move it out of town multiple times. If he'd like to imply that the Sacramento Kings aren't a real organization, I'd like to point to the way that his five-year reign of error drove a storied NBA franchise so deeply into the ground that it still hasn't recovered seven years later, and the fact that his leadership was so impressive that he had to settle a sexual harassment lawsuit for $11.3M.
I don't need ignorant disparagement of our fanbase, and I don't need a badly failed executive telling me how bad my team's organization is.
I don't need ignorant disparagement of our fanbase, and I don't need a badly failed executive telling me how bad my team's organization is.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
The irony is that this was posted without understanding that it has been and will always be exactly the problem with Isaiah Thomas, in particular for us with a better player already in town.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I woudn't be surprised if IT added in that part himself as a dig. I find it hard to believe IT (the older one) would suggest that the Kings/Suns don't have real fans.
Showtime
Starter
The fact is that a team built around IT is competing in the playoffs right now, and that "better player" is in the lottery yet again surrounded by more talent, so the point you are trying to make isn't as solid as you may think. The funny thing about being the type of player who needs to be the centerpiece is that it is only a disadvantage if they are unsuccessful.
Padrino
All-Star
as always, context is king. here's a thought experiment: put brad bird on the bench in sacramento, and george karl on the bench in boston. all of a sudden, the kings' commitment to defense increases tenfold, and the celtics' commitment to defense decreases tenfold. karl would no doubt have IT scoring at insane levels, but he and his staff wouldn't accomplish even a fraction of what bird has accomplished in hiding IT's defensive weaknesses and aggressively structuring the team's defensive schemes to smash apart the pick and roll, close out on open three's, and shut down the transition game. now, i'm not offering that the kings would necessarily have made the playoffs or that the celtics wouldn't have made the playoffs if the two franchises had swapped head coaches, but it's worth thinking about in an argument that uselessly tries to pit demarcus cousins against isaiah thomas without even a remote understanding of why the former's team is losing and the latter's team is winning...
Brick Wall
Prospect
This is a joke, right? The Boston Celtics are not built around Isaiah Thomas; they aren't really built around anybody.
Showtime
Starter
My point is how the team operates, not the personnel. Whatever players you have around a guy like IT, he needs the ball and Boston lets him do what he needs to do, and so far it is working out.
Brick Wall
Prospect
Which also explains he didn't work out with the Kings. He needs the ball; in Sacramento, he couldn't have it. And he shouldn't have had it.
In Boston, he's on a team where all of him teammates are willing to let IT do what IT does. Good for him, I'm happy for him. And I'm still not sure why you felt the need to throw in that passive-aggressive shade at Boogie just to give IT his props?
In Boston, he's on a team where all of him teammates are willing to let IT do what IT does. Good for him, I'm happy for him. And I'm still not sure why you felt the need to throw in that passive-aggressive shade at Boogie just to give IT his props?
Showtime
Starter
That's the point the other Brick was attempting to make, and my response is: Boston is in the playoffs, and the Kings haven't even sniffed a .500 season with their franchise player. Boston found a way to make it work, and they are enjoying success.
That was entirely a response to Brick's criticism of IT as the type of player he is. "this was posted without understanding that it has been and will always be exactly the problem with Isaiah Thomas, in particular for us with a better player already in town." I fully understand what type of player IT is, and what he's not understanding is that it is only a "problem" if a team cannot succeed, and Boston is succeeding so far. Additionally, Brick is the one that mentioned "a better player already in town", and he just cannot get over DMC's talent level despite the fact that it hasn't translated into wins like IT is doing. So if you're wanting to criticize somebody for bringing DMC into this discussion, look elsewhere.
I don't care how much a guy needs the basketball to be effective if it turns into wins. People seem to forget Iverson's sixers where they loaded up on defensive guys and let AI go off, and they made a finals relying on that. McGrady was doing the same in Houston. I could go on. The point is, that type of player is a double-edged blade, and it doesn't mean it is always a "problem" or a negative trait.
There's nothing I love so much as a good straw man.
Brick Wall
Prospect
The Celtics are well run; the Kings aren't. And it doesn't have anything to do with success, it has to do with compatibility. A guy who plays like Cousins isn't compatible with a guy who plays like Thomas.
I feel like there's a lot of "correlation equals causation" in your posts: the Celtics aren't winning because of Isaiah Thomas, and the Kings aren't losing because of DeMarcus Cousins. Brick is being kind of a condescending jerk, but the difference between him and you is that he's not disregarding all the other factors that go into winning and losing in order to get his hot takes off. Whereas your argument seems to boil down to, "Well, IT is in the playoffs, and Boogie isn't, so SCOREBOARD, BEYOTCH!"
Showtime
Starter
I'm not disregarding other factors, I'm just tired of discussing them, and i have at length on this forum. The point is this is a results-oriented league. This thread is about IT and I'm happy he's in a place where he's getting results, and the team is getting results, I just wish that would have been in Sacramento.
Brick Wall
Prospect
Fair enough. I'm not an IT guy, but I never hated on him. At the same time, I'm glad he's doing well, but I won't be rooting for him, either.
jcwkings
All-Star
Guys we're better off without IT, we already have a better player in town anyways. Let him have his fun in the playoffs. We broke 30 wins baby!! Talent wins in this league, that is the only real way to evaluate players. Nevermind intangibles like leadership, work ethic, professionalism and other dumb stuff like that.
jcwkings
All-Star
I just like how some people on here dismiss what IT is doing right now because you will never win a ring with him as your best player, so anything he does is irrelevant. Like we will magically go from 30 win dumpster fire to chamionship contender. I would much rather have what the Celtics have right now than hold on to some pipe dream that you guys have. Yeah IT will never be THE guy on a championship team, but he is getting inavluable playoff mettle right now while our "better guy in town" is on vacation. He also is paid the same as Marco Bellinelli and produces like a top 10 PG and is an all star. No way we couldnt use someone like that on this team. Leadership, grit, heart, soul of a team, professionalism, the Sacramento Kings surely dont lack any of that. What a joke.
Brick Wall
Prospect
Let me guess: you're "tired of discussing" the other factors, too?
Is anyone around here capable of praising IT without throwing lowkey shade at Boogie?
Is anyone around here capable of praising IT without throwing lowkey shade at Boogie?
Boogie_Fever
G-League
Go be a fan of the Celtics then. Let's act like this team would have magically been in the playoffs with IT in town. Let's act like he would have shored up the defensive issues this team has. Let's act like he would have helped George Karl all of sudden act like a HoF coach again. Not dismissing what he is doing but he is VERY fortunate to be on a team that is well coached abd ferocious defensively. They would have gone to the playoffs whether or not IT was on that team.
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