Is it wise to not extend Garcia?

[Jespher]

According to Sam Amick, the Kings are running out of time to extend Francisco Garcia's rookie contract, and all parties expect him to become a restricted free agent after this season. I love Francisco's heart and hustle, and I was wondering the board's thoughts on the choice to let him become a restricted free agent.

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/015114.html#more

With so many restricteds moving to europe this summer, doesn't that open the door for the kings to potentially lose him for nothing? He's a better player than that in my opinion, and has value as a young versatile piece who can d up and score. Thoughts?

 

[Rug King]

I'd hate to lose Cisco for nothing. I think he's a valuble player to have coming off the bench.

On the other hand, creating cap room for the near future will in in our best intrests. There's a lot of Cisco's around, we need money available to get a superstar, not a bench player.

 

[NoBonus]

Cisco has shown a lot of potential, and I think the Kings will resign him out of free agency, but it probably makes the most sense to roll the dice in case something big becomes available for the Kings.

 

[KingsCitizen]

It's either Cisco or Salmons that will leave coz Greene will be be best starting SF for this team. So Cisco's extension will depend on how fast we can ship Salmons to another team for a SG better than Douby and a draft pick.

 

[Smills91]

This gives the kings flexibility.

Kings match best suitor next season. We keep Cisco and the market discourages other suitors from offering because he's restricted. Someone would have to SERIOUSLY outbid for his services in which case the Kings let him go. Also if we make a move this season that unloads the likes of SAR/Kenny/Brad then there is a real chance that we could have some significant cap space along with Douby and Shelden being able to be renounced off their rookie deals. The great thing about Douby, Shelden and Garcia is that we can wait until AFTER the draft(before July 1st) to figure out what to do. We'll also have a much better idea on how the FA season will pan out as we get closer to that date.

All in all I expect the Kings to match any offers to Cisco as an RFA and this should MOTIVATE Garcia to have a BIG TIME year so that he'll see a nice pay day. The opportunity will be there now that Ron-Ron is gone-gone.

 

[Spike]

It's either Cisco or Salmons that will leave coz Greene will be be best starting SF for this team. So Cisco's extension will depend on how fast we can ship Salmons to another team for a SG better than Douby and a draft pick.

I agree that part of the reason may be to see how Salmons pans out, but it's WAY WAY too early to assume that Greene's the future. Even if he is, we are going to need more than 5 players. I'm for matching any reasonable offer, for the fact that Garcia gives us depth.

 

[NME]

I don't think there's that much urgency in Garcia's case. It's not a situation like Kevin or Peja who were in featured roles and poised to explode where it was important to lock him in early. Garcia's a backup for us now and probably in the future, and other teams would probably also be looking at him for the same. He's productive, but SF is the easiest position to find a productive player.

We should be able to sign him to an MLE-ish deal either now or in the future. I don't think there's a big danger of a team offering a lot more that we're faced with matching next summer.

 

[jcassio]

Roll the dice and plan to resign him as a RFA.
But I disagree with those who think players like Cisco are a dime a dozen. Cisco still has to learn to play under better control on a consistent basis, but he has a complete package (including attitude) that makes him a bit more valuable. In fact, he might even be considered a contender for 6th man of the year honors in the next year or two (depending on that consistency issue).
The concern about a logjam with Cisco, Salmons and Green is premature. What a gift (to the Kings) if all three would end up being worthy of major minutes!

 

[VF21]

I don't think there's that much urgency in Garcia's case. It's not a situation like Kevin or Peja who were in featured roles and poised to explode where it was important to lock him in early. Garcia's a backup for us now and probably in the future, and other teams would probably also be looking at him for the same. He's productive, but SF is the easiest position to find a productive player.

We should be able to sign him to an MLE-ish deal either now or in the future. I don't think there's a big danger of a team offering a lot more that we're faced with matching next summer.

Agreed.

 

[bajaden]

I pretty much agree with the major opinion on the board. There's no reason to be in a hurry. I've always been a believer in free enterprize and letting the market dictate what the worth of something is. There's always the chance that there's some idiot out there that will inflate the value, but I think in Cisco's case that chance is remote.

I don't think that Cisco falls into that dime a dozen catagory. He's a multi positional player, and that makes him more valuable to us. He also brings a toughness that the team needs. He plays with attitude. This is his contract year. This is his time to shine.

 

[Jespher]

Anyone worried about europe difection as a restricted FA after this TDOS? That would be the worst case scenario if we chose to match any NBA offer, so he went overseas, and the Kings received nothing for him.

 

[NME]

I don't think that Cisco falls into that dime a dozen catagory. He's a multi positional player, and that makes him more valuable to us. He also brings a toughness that the team needs. He plays with attitude. This is his contract year. This is his time to shine.

Honestly, most SF's have some versatility in their games and can slide either bigger or smaller. If you start counting up the SF's in the league that either put up around 15/5 overall, or do when they get starter's minutes (like Cisco), or can be projected to do so in the near future, every roster has one or two or even three. Heck, we had three guys fitting that description last year, got rid of one and are probably back to three again if Greene pans out at all.

I like the guys that either add either additional inside (post game, rebounding shotblocking) or outside (perimeter shooting, ballhandling, passing) facets and/or man defense to that base. Cisco has some of the latter two, although not to all that outrageous a level. Still, he is "our guy" and brings some intangibles to the team so I would as soon hang onto him as go looking again, but there's no need to get out of line in retaining him.

Incidentally, the enticing thing about Greene is that he has a *chance* to encompass traditional 3-ish slashing and transition game, plus above-par inside game with his size and athleticism, plus deadly outside shooting. That's if he ever comes close to putting it all together, which will be a big question mark over the next few years.

 

[bajaden]

Honestly, most SF's have some versatility in their games and can slide either bigger or smaller. If you start counting up the SF's in the league that either put up around 15/5 overall, or do when they get starter's minutes (like Cisco), or can be projected to do so in the near future, every roster has one or two or even three. Heck, we had three guys fitting that description last year, got rid of one and are probably back to three again if Greene pans out at all.

I like the guys that either add either additional inside (post game, rebounding shotblocking) or outside (perimeter shooting, ballhandling, passing) facets and/or man defense to that base. Cisco has some of the latter two, although not to all that outrageous a level. Still, he is "our guy" and brings some intangibles to the team so I would as soon hang onto him as go looking again, but there's no need to get out of line in retaining him.

Incidentally, the enticing thing about Greene is that he has a *chance* to encompass traditional 3-ish slashing and transition game, plus above-par inside game with his size and athleticism, plus deadly outside shooting. That's if he ever comes close to putting it all together, which will be a big question mark over the next few years.

I think were pretty much in agreement. Cisco has shown a little inside game and the ability to grab a few boards. He's also been a decent weak side shot blocker on occasion. I also like his ability to play point forward if its needed, and thats where I think he separates himself from some of the other small forwards. I think he could start in the NBA, but any chance of that happening with the King's ended with the acquisition of Greene.

Greene has all the tools to be special. Except for our needing a power forward in the draft, I would have had him ranked pretty high on my wish list. In the first half of the year he showed he could play inside and outside. He rebounded and showed some nice post moves. If he can hone all the aspects of his game, he has a chance to be an elite player in the league. We'll have to wait and see. A lot of talented players have failed. Lets just hope he has a good work ethic and he stays healthy.

 

[DirtyAcres]

not wise

 

[Gary]

Garcia already showed us what he can do in a starting role. More than 17ppg 4rpg 2apg with 40% 3pt, and 47%fg.. He's a definite keeper, because his bench stats are far better than Salmons, and imo I believe he would even be the better starter than Salmons. He plays a better "team game" than Salmons. His 2 man game with Martin is nice to watch.

I say we should get him locked down for 6 years 38mil with the last two years being a team or player option.

 

[NME]

I say we should get him locked down for 6 years 38mil with the last two years being a team or player option.

We can either offer a five year extension right now, or a six year deal once he becomes a RFA next summer. Either way I’d hope for a little shorter deal or at least a team option, since he’s about to turn 27, so you’re talking through age 33 or 34.

I’d be in favor of moving Salmons by the trade deadline for an expiring/pick after he builds some value. Garcia would be a fine starter, while Greene gets some minutes until he hopefully ascends and Cisco returns to an excellent 2/3 6th man.

 

[est.1999]

if the lakers had Garcia in a sasha role all of you guys would be saying how we need a player like that. I know we don't have a Kobe or anything but still.

I say we keep him.

 

[NME]

if the lakers had Garcia in a sasha role all of you guys would be saying how we need a player like that. I know we don't have a Kobe or anything but still.

I say we keep him.

I don’t think anyone’s really in favor of dumping him. The question is whether it’s a big deal that we lock him up early, or likely to bite us if we don’t.

I would like to know the breakdown, but I believe that most players on their rookie deals under the current system have not extended early and get their deals once they become RFA’s. Being an RFA has not seemed to add a lot of leverage for most players, and many of them have ended up accepting less than they were demanding (or even offered and turned down) back when they were eligible for the extension.

 

[Bricklayer]

If he is willing to sign for MLE money, there is really no reason NOT to resign him now. That is the stupid thing teams do too often -- know a guy's value, but get it in their heads somehow that "letting the market determine" is in their best interests. No, its in the player's best interests. And the constant scrwing aroudn with restricted free agents has messed wiht a lot of teams' chemistry in recent years. And that was before the new European threat began to emerge.

Basically, barring innjury, we KNOW Cisco is already a MLE typoe player. that's not going to go down much, esecpially with Ron out of twon. And the danger moneywise, would be if Salmons or kevin were to suffer an injury, Cisco slips into a starting spot, and all of a sudden you have a 15+ ppg scorer looking for MORE than the MLE from you.

So generally, if he is willing to sign for the MLE, there is no real downside for us, and we could save money. If he is looking for more, than you probably ride it out and hope (from a money standpoint) that he does not have a chance to prove it (via injuries).

 

[NME]

So generally, if he is willing to sign for the MLE, there is no real downside for us, and we could save money. If he is looking for more, than you probably ride it out and hope (from a money standpoint) that he does not have a chance to prove it (via injuries).

Sure, you know it's going to end up around there, and the MLE from a playoff team would be the most likely counter-offer out there, so I wouldn't quibble if that's the case. I kind of infer from the word Amick's getting not to expect an extension that he's probably asking for more right now?

 

[FakeInjury]

Lets measure this thing out. Kevin gets 11 million, Salmons gets 5.5 million, Beno gets 7 million, per year. Cisco isn't a starter like those three. It would not be in his interest to extend his contract today. He would be looking at 25 over 6 years. Which is probably not what he thinks he should get. We have 2 more years to evaluate him, i think we should take them.

 

[Merdiesel]

Garcia's got D and has the ability to be a lights out shooter from beyond the arc. Sign him for something decent, I want this kid to be a King for a while.

 

[VF21]

We don't NEED to sign him to anything right now, which is what I think most people are pointing out. Let him use this season to prove himself. At the worse he becomes a RFA at the end of the season, giving us the opportunity to match or exceed any offer he might receive.

 

[Bricklayer]

We don't NEED to sign him to anything right now, which is what I think most people are pointing out. Let him use this season to prove himself. At the worse he becomes a RFA at the end of the season, giving us the opportunity to match or exceed any offer he might receive.

The general point would be we really don't WANT him to prove himself. He's already shown he can be a 15ppg type starter, and an effective top bencher. Which basically translates to MLE. And we already know that. The last thing you would want is him to go off and have a big season and then end up having to pay him $8 mil or something when you could have gotten him at $5 mil today.

Of course the holdup could be on his side, thinking the same wya that he already has the MLE in the bag and so why sign now when maybe you get some minutes and can up your value.

 

[VF21]

So you think we should lock him in at the MLE?

 

[Kingzrool]

So you think we should lock him in at the MLE?

I am always dissing Garcia, and I actually agree with Brick. If he will agree to be locked in at MLE, do it. Otherwise wait. He has already proven that he is worth that. They can trade him if need be. The question is, "will he get better?". Might as well play it safe and not throw away the opportunity.

 

[kingsfan101]

The general point would be we really don't WANT him to prove himself. He's already shown he can be a 15ppg type starter, and an effective top bencher. Which basically translates to MLE. And we already know that. The last thing you would want is him to go off and have a big season and then end up having to pay him $8 mil or something when you could have gotten him at $5 mil today.

Of course the holdup could be on his side, thinking the same wya that he already has the MLE in the bag and so why sign now when maybe you get some minutes and can up your value.

Yes, that risk is certainly there. In fact, for some stretches last year, when he was raining 3s, I thought we shall be forced to up him ourselves. He is certainly capable of it.

Unfortunately for him, RFAs have odds stacked against them (to some extent). Very few teams each year are sufficiently under the cap to offer significantly more than the MLE, and those are usually at the bottom of the heap, often trying to keep salaries low, and might not be enthused by spending a large part of their cap on a non all star, likely bench player (threat of Europe certainly exists).

I would hate it, if he were to leave though. Have always loved his competitiveness, hustle, team spirit, and also leadership, and he does have game too. Hope, we shall see more of it for the Kings in the years to come.

 

[FakeInjury]

MLE is a stretch. He has ??? all over his D, and his offensive IQ is not all its made out to be. His three, is the best of all member of the kings. MLE, i agree, but not until he deserves it. Who is Garcia anyways? It sometimes pays to be proficient in English. LPGA is bringing it up, and Garcia should too. He could be on his way to becoming the next michael jordan, but the media wouldn't know it untill its too late, and probably the kings too, he hasn't had the expose it takes to become MJ or LBJ. It's a gamble to "lock" players up who dont bring intangibles like media exposure. And it takes alot more than what Garcia has had to offer. Beno Udrih had a story that people liked and he played well enough to impress the kings, and the NBA for that matter. Garcia hasn't left that kind of impression on anyone. He hit a few game winners, but his overall game winning percentage isn't that great.

 

[Spike]

MLE is a stretch. He has ??? all over his D, and his offensive IQ is not all its made out to be. His three, is the best of all member of the kings. MLE, i agree, but not until he deserves it. Who is Garcia anyways? It sometimes pays to be proficient in English. LPGA is bringing it up, and Garcia should too. He could be on his way to becoming the next michael jordan, but the media wouldn't know it untill its too late, and probably the kings too, he hasn't had the expose it takes to become MJ or LBJ. It's a gamble to "lock" players up who dont bring intangibles like media exposure. And it takes alot more than what Garcia has had to offer. Beno Udrih had a story that people liked and he played well enough to impress the kings, and the NBA for that matter. Garcia hasn't left that kind of impression on anyone. He hit a few game winners, but his overall game winning percentage isn't that great.

Is this a serious post?

The MLE is more than adequate for what Garcia has done. A 6th man for the MLE is a great deal. Especially one who is still improving. Garcia has put up decent numbers when starting, and considering that there is one less player in front of him (Artest), the minutes should only increase under Theus, who really likes Garcia.

I'm not even going to address the inanity of the rest of your post.

 

[bajaden]

MLE is a stretch. He has ??? all over his D, and his offensive IQ is not all its made out to be. His three, is the best of all member of the kings. MLE, i agree, but not until he deserves it. Who is Garcia anyways? It sometimes pays to be proficient in English. LPGA is bringing it up, and Garcia should too. He could be on his way to becoming the next michael jordan, but the media wouldn't know it untill its too late, and probably the kings too, he hasn't had the expose it takes to become MJ or LBJ. It's a gamble to "lock" players up who dont bring intangibles like media exposure. And it takes alot more than what Garcia has had to offer. Beno Udrih had a story that people liked and he played well enough to impress the kings, and the NBA for that matter. Garcia hasn't left that kind of impression on anyone. He hit a few game winners, but his overall game winning percentage isn't that great.

English? I'm not sure, but are you saying that Cisco doesn't speak english? Dude, go back and read what you wrote, because for the life of me, I don't understand it.