BALLER4LIFE
G-League
bibbys shoot 4/14 while jacking up a season high 12 three pointers. He looked terrible tonight... is this a sign of things to come.. is he possibly playin like crap on purpose because he's upset with the orginization?
is bibby doing this on purpose???
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Fear the Putin
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or maybe hes been playing the same EXACT way since the injury in Reno
im telling you...these rumors did nothing good for this team...the maloofs need to learn how to shut their mouths
im telling you...these rumors did nothing good for this team...the maloofs need to learn how to shut their mouths
DaMan
Starter
Man, he has been playing like crap even before the iverson trade rumor came about.
thatguy
Bench
Artest shot 4/14 too. And he was shooting from closer!!! This is [expletive deleted] [word rhyming with cupid deleted].
BALLER4LIFE
G-League
yea but but playin only 32 minutes and jacking up a season high 12 three pointers.... he just looks like he doesnt want to be out there
kennadog
Dog On It!
That's silly. If Bibby is contemplating opting out this summer, he would be trying to play great. Not to mention, I think Bibby is to competitive and too proud to try and play bad. I suspect his injury is worse than he'll talk about. I just have a problem with him taking so many shots if it is bothering him.
kennadog
Dog On It!
Losing has a way of doing that to a team.
Lamar_Odom
Bench
I don't think he is doing it on purpose but something is definitely wrong with his approach to the game. At the very least, it appears discouraged, even carefree. I suppose being the main bait of the AI sweepstakes is taking its toll but thjios is not the same Bibby we're accustomed to seeing.
Kev.in
Starter
The excuse of his wrist being hurt doesn't fly with me. What happened to the quickness he had gained by losing weight this summer? Since game one he's looked like he can't get where he wants to go off the dribble. Too often he dribbles it up the left side of the floor, doesn't use the pick and work his way into a tough jumpshot from the same spot on the floor every time. When he does get to the basket, he doesn't have enough lift to get a decent shot up. He still wants to be The Top Dog, but he hasn't come to terms yet that he is past his prime and he has to be more than just a shooter for this team. He's not leading and he's not happy with his role and his shortcomings. Him and Musselman were getting along great and seeing eye-to-eye before the season started and he's the one who told coach to activate him despite how his wrist felt, so this all falls on his shoulders.
So, anyways, to answer the question: Yes, I think tonight he was doing it on purpose. He was pouting. It was obvious by his body language and it's backed up by the boxscore. You want to stay with the Kings, earlier today the ownership announced they weren't going to pursue Iverson and this is the performance we get out of you? Very immature.
So, anyways, to answer the question: Yes, I think tonight he was doing it on purpose. He was pouting. It was obvious by his body language and it's backed up by the boxscore. You want to stay with the Kings, earlier today the ownership announced they weren't going to pursue Iverson and this is the performance we get out of you? Very immature.
And some fans...
I think Bibby has fallen into the pattern. He's been here too long without success and ready to move on. I think he has a Peja syndrome. I don't think there is a cure for it
I think you may have hit the nail on the head. Bibby might just be ready for a change of scenery. Bibby has a lot of pride and hates to lose. I can't honestly think he would tank for any other reason than just a lack of motivation. None of the players from those contending Kings teams has been the same since. Once you have experienced something as special as that, it is hard to have something less than that. It may be time for Bibby to move in. I think it is the same with Miller. Just end that era of Kings bball and move on. We already have a new coach and a couple of good solid pieces in Artest and Martin. It is time to start over. I just wish the Maloofs/Geoff would see that and commit to it.
kennadog
Dog On It!
I agree with pretty much all of this. Silly, I know, but I think it must have been tough to be the ones still remaining to watch the others leave and the team decline into mediocrity. Time to let Bibby and Miller go.
atxrocker
Starter
No, it's not. And that alone causes concern. I'm really high on Mike, but he has been very dissapointing recently to say the least. Love to see him back in peak form, but don't see it happening here.
Honolulu Kings Fan
G-League
I hope he is doing this on purpose... because if he isn't then he really sucks. If that is truly the best he is going to give he will eventually find his spot on the bench.
I don't think Bibby is doing it on purpose. I think it's a combination of things. Jerry Reynolds made an interesting observation tonight - after one errant three attempt, Jerry pointed out that Mike's elbow, which is usually perfectly aligned, was flaring out to the right just as he let go of the ball. He mentioned it more than once, I believe.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Perhaps true, perhaps not. Does nto explain 12 of his 14 shots being threes. that was just...bizarre. Something compeltely wrong with his game tongiht. Wasn;t even Mike Bibby out there.
Totally agree. I think I was desperately grasping at one little thing because I simply cannot fathom the big picture ...
zo0mmike
G-League
The 3 point shot was there for him all night, shots that you normally would want Bibby to take. He even passed up some open looks. He wasn't really forcing anything, I think he was simply bad shooting night. I don't see why missing shots on purpose would benefit himself.
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Maybe it was an just an extra crappy trade rumor for Mike, I could see that. I don't know what its about but we all know he's got a family thing he doesn't want to talk about and its on the sixers. So he gets to spend a few days dodging questions (and seething, apparently) and wondering if he'll really get sent there against his will and what to do then.
I tend to believe Mike Bibby is more of a professional than to throw a tantrum just over a(nother) rumor of possible vague trade talks. (Why would he even mind anyway, its no fun here now and he gets to keep the money)
I just can't think that he'd miss shots "on purpose" (bad shot selection, sure) because to me that's like accusing the man of stealing from the cash register when he's just having a bad day hitting the wrong keys. I'm sure it wasn't meant that way and its because we're so used to the fact that some players DO tank and sabotage the team that pays them big bucks. I'm old and having trouble keeping up with the times now that we value sheer talent (or the glamor that goes with it rather) over integrity and the honest workmanlike approach. Which is like a codgerly way of saying I'm pretty sure he'd rather hit all his shots and its just the wrist.
There are NO good shots in this offense taken by anyone except Kevin Martin anyway. The purpose of this season is to see how high we can push Martin's career high, with our dream offense being to just feed him the ball every possession. (and run a few plays for Corliss to confuse people) This is not tanking, its just re-organizing our goals. A _championship_ goal is out of reach but if we could get this kid a scoring title it would really pee off a certain someone down in LA. _Then_ we'd laugh all the way to the draft. That'd be my master plan.
PS - I'd like to reserve "42" right now in case later we have a betting pool for Martin's season high.
I tend to believe Mike Bibby is more of a professional than to throw a tantrum just over a(nother) rumor of possible vague trade talks. (Why would he even mind anyway, its no fun here now and he gets to keep the money)
I just can't think that he'd miss shots "on purpose" (bad shot selection, sure) because to me that's like accusing the man of stealing from the cash register when he's just having a bad day hitting the wrong keys. I'm sure it wasn't meant that way and its because we're so used to the fact that some players DO tank and sabotage the team that pays them big bucks. I'm old and having trouble keeping up with the times now that we value sheer talent (or the glamor that goes with it rather) over integrity and the honest workmanlike approach. Which is like a codgerly way of saying I'm pretty sure he'd rather hit all his shots and its just the wrist.
There are NO good shots in this offense taken by anyone except Kevin Martin anyway. The purpose of this season is to see how high we can push Martin's career high, with our dream offense being to just feed him the ball every possession. (and run a few plays for Corliss to confuse people) This is not tanking, its just re-organizing our goals. A _championship_ goal is out of reach but if we could get this kid a scoring title it would really pee off a certain someone down in LA. _Then_ we'd laugh all the way to the draft. That'd be my master plan.
PS - I'd like to reserve "42" right now in case later we have a betting pool for Martin's season high.
Wuster
Starter
No. He's a pro.
nbrans
All-Star
It's not like last night was an aberration. It was pretty much the continuation of what has been going on all season long. Yeah, I understand he's injured. But I really don't think that's the main problem. Bibby is one of the biggest streak shooters in the league. If he makes a few in the beginning of a game he starts feeling it. If he misses a few in the beginning it's going to be a long night. Occasionally he'll start feeling it late in a game, but for the most part he hits shots in bunches. So as a streak shooter, it's absolutely essential that he get some good looks early in the game to establish his rhythm. Once he hits a few then he's usually off to the races.
The biggest problem, in my opinion, is shot selection. Bibby is taking horrible shots. He should not be dribbling down and taking a shot with 20 on the shot clock, which is what he's been doing. He should not rely on three pointers, but that's what he's been doing. Or he'll make a few baskets, think he's feeling it, and shoot an off balance long jumper from the baseline and miss badly. He's just been taking horrible, horrible shots, and even if he were perfectly healthy he still probably wouldn't have a very good field goal percentage.
I see several culprits for the shot selection. One is Bibby's contract year. He's gotta be desperate to get those numbers up and to turn things around and establish some momentum going into the offseason. I don't know how much of a role this plays, but he's really looking first for his own shot, and to me, that speaks of someone who is stat-conscious. There are other options on offense, but Bibby isn't really looking to pass.
The other culprit I see is Ron Artest. Ron isn't just a tone-setter on defense, he's also setting a tone on offense. And that offense is jack-a-shot. Bibby isn't a leader no matter what Fanfare says, and he is extremely susceptible to playing within the mindset of the opposing team and his teammates. And the tone Ron is setting is "don't pass the ball or it might not come back to you."
On top of all of this mess, you have Musselman's knee jerk substitution patterns. Guys have no idea how many minutes they're going to get on a given night and since Musselman has such a quick hook, every shot might be their last, so it behooves stat-conscious guys to jack up shots while they can. (Shareef, I'm looking at you). All of this adds up to a team that can't get any easy looks because no one is passing the ball.
So I really don't care about the wrist. The wrist, I'm sure, isn't helping things, but to my eyes it's not the problem. The problem is shot selection, and until that changes Bibby's shooting percentage is going to be terrible.
The biggest problem, in my opinion, is shot selection. Bibby is taking horrible shots. He should not be dribbling down and taking a shot with 20 on the shot clock, which is what he's been doing. He should not rely on three pointers, but that's what he's been doing. Or he'll make a few baskets, think he's feeling it, and shoot an off balance long jumper from the baseline and miss badly. He's just been taking horrible, horrible shots, and even if he were perfectly healthy he still probably wouldn't have a very good field goal percentage.
I see several culprits for the shot selection. One is Bibby's contract year. He's gotta be desperate to get those numbers up and to turn things around and establish some momentum going into the offseason. I don't know how much of a role this plays, but he's really looking first for his own shot, and to me, that speaks of someone who is stat-conscious. There are other options on offense, but Bibby isn't really looking to pass.
The other culprit I see is Ron Artest. Ron isn't just a tone-setter on defense, he's also setting a tone on offense. And that offense is jack-a-shot. Bibby isn't a leader no matter what Fanfare says, and he is extremely susceptible to playing within the mindset of the opposing team and his teammates. And the tone Ron is setting is "don't pass the ball or it might not come back to you."
On top of all of this mess, you have Musselman's knee jerk substitution patterns. Guys have no idea how many minutes they're going to get on a given night and since Musselman has such a quick hook, every shot might be their last, so it behooves stat-conscious guys to jack up shots while they can. (Shareef, I'm looking at you). All of this adds up to a team that can't get any easy looks because no one is passing the ball.
So I really don't care about the wrist. The wrist, I'm sure, isn't helping things, but to my eyes it's not the problem. The problem is shot selection, and until that changes Bibby's shooting percentage is going to be terrible.
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