I don't think Farmar is like Bibby. To me he's more of poor man's Nash: not as creative in the open floor, comparable at half-court distributing, not comparable in shooting and thus in playing P&R. The only thing he's better at than Nash is his defense but it's still not even average for an NBA PG. If we talk about backup PG from this draft class I would love for Kings to pick Dockery if he goes undrafted. He has all the qualities Kings need from their backup PG right now: excellent defense against quick PG, solid at running the team and shooting from 3pt. He has the same problem as Chris Quinn: most of his college career he spent as SG and he's essentially a PG. That's why he has little buzz around him.hammystyle said:
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I'm happy to see that we're looking at Armstrong. He's probably the best shotblocker in this draft and is pretty underrated, IMO. No point in drafting Farmar, really. His defense is just as bad as Bibby's and I really don't see that much potential in him at all. If we're gonna draft a PG/combo guard, then I would like us to get Quincy Douby. Other than that, I don't really like any of the other PG's in this draft.
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I would prefer to draft a big man since it seems to be easier to find backup PGs via free agency, trades, etc. You really have to pay bigtime to acquire mediocre NBA big men. That said, Petrie is what he is. He'll draft most for BPA and not need. Petrie has also said he wants another shooter. I see Quincy Douby is a PG that can shoot very well and has a quick release, good handle, can penetrate, shoot off the dribble. He should be athletic enough to play the position in the league and at 6-3 has good size. You can put him in the backcourt with any of the others in the regular backcourt rotation. This guy has "Petrie-type" written all over him - a regular swiss army knife guy.
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Bricklayer said:
bobby jackson was not a point guard either yet ppl in Sac worshiped him. No Price ins't the future pg for the kings. But what is being dicussed here is the possible pick in the draft. id say price is as good as any pg we could get at the 19th pick. we don't need bibby/19th/price as our pgs. We need bibby/experienced pg/ price. and we need to draft a big. I haven't seen anybody here mention Ronnie as our primary backup. But on that note what part of Ronnie did you see that makes you think he couldn't be????? We never saw him play. And if that is you excuse think of Kevin Martin his first year.
I agree ^. Ronnie's barely had any time to show what he can do, Petrie obviously knows more than we do, and I assume he shows things in practices. Hopefully they're brought onto the floor this season when he gets more time. Though it'd be cool if we drafted a CG/spark guard like Douby/Diaz/Stinson/Brown, if no good bigs are there. I also like Shawne Williams for a possible BPA.
Bricklayer
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Entity said:
a) Bobby was pretty damned unique
b) Bobby was also an established pro when we picked him up, including starting at PG for his entire rookie season
c) Bobby played alongside one of the best passing lineups in the history of the NBA, and so we could get away with his lack of PG mentality even the season that Bibby was hurt to begin the year.
And no, using the #19 on a PG isn't a necessity. But its a possiblity as it remains a hole that an undrafted rookie who logged 150min in his first year isn't obviously filling.
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hammystyle
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Why are people so enamored with Price? Because of that stellar 150 minutes last year when he shot 36%? I just don't get it. I would expect that any of Douby/Farmar/Rondo/Diaz/Brown/Lowry would be better than Price.
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hammystyle said:
I would expect it from anybody that got 150 minutes of total playing time during the season.
The enamoration with Price is that the kid shows potential. I know that word gets thrown around a lot and over-used, but it CAN actually mean something.
We don't see Ronnie play in practice. We only saw the 150 total minutes he logged during the season. Hardly anybody outside the Kings organization realizes how good he actually is because he was the cheerleader at the end of the bench. Some people apparently didn't see the game against the WCF Champion Mavs when Price held his own against JTerry on the offensive end and check him pretty well on the defensive end holding him under his average until the 4th when Adelman took him out and put Bibby back on him. Price brought energy to that game and showed he isn't afraid to take the open shot...and that he can knock it down. Also, his athleticism for someone his size is scary. When was the last time you saw a 6'1 scrub guard from the end of the bench jump from the dotted line and pin a layup on the glass like he did in garbage time of Game 4 against the Spurs only to get it called goaltending?
Granted the only other time he got extended minutes he shot terribly, but that's too short a leash for a guy that is still young and still learning, and (at that time) was playing on a last place team. The Ron Artest trade was still all speculation at that time, so it's not like the Kings had anything to lose. I think Price could've gotten a longer look from the coaching staff.
His athleticism, defense, and shooting all remind me of BJax in his hayday, and I think that learning under BJax would only help develop this kid into a solid contributor (NOT A STAR), but a solid contributor for the Kings.
Devean George was a D2 pick as well, and he turned out just fine given the right opportunity. I feel that Price has the talent and the work ethic to do the same!
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hammystyle
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Ronnie Price may turn into a player, but its not a lock. Comparing him to Bobby Jackson is a little crazy. Bobby Jackson dominated the Big Ten, was a 1st round pick and then had to earn his bones for three years before blossoming in Sac.
My point is that it seems that the best value in the draft are the Combo/PG's. You can't just say we don't need a player like that because we have Ronnie Price, because we have no idea what we have in Ronnie Price.
My point is that it seems that the best value in the draft are the Combo/PG's. You can't just say we don't need a player like that because we have Ronnie Price, because we have no idea what we have in Ronnie Price.
Amanjoy
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hammystyle said:
Just like BJax had to earn his bones and take his licks before finding the right situation in Sac...Price can do the same here. I remember specifically hearing friends of mine who were Denver and Minnesota fans that thought Bobby was a bust when he played for their teams and were really suprised when he came back to kill them playing for the KIngs.
I agree that we don't know what we have in Price...which makes it scary. We don't know what kind of treasure we might be sitting on...but then again...we don't know if he'll be a bust. I think he deserves a shot though, and drafting another PG would only hinder that development, and create more stress for Musselman because he's gotta worry about developing 2 PG's behind Bibby, and somehow teach JHart how to run tis team properly. It will also put just as much pressure on Bibby as he had last year...if not more. He'll be expected to log heavy minutes and won't have any legs left in the 4th when we need him to hit shots. His most clutch years were when BJax was backing him up...and if we bring in BJax (or ANY solid veteran PG) behind him...Bibby will be the clutch Bibby of old that almost lead us to a title.
I say that as soon as we get a vet PG, then let the guard spots be because we're already pretty set there. Anybody else would only mess things up not only for Price, but for the development of KMart and Cisco as well. Drafting a big man like an Armstrong...or whoever's available at 19 would be more beneficial in my opinion.
I think it'd be best to get a vet. (B-Jax/Bell/Lue/Claxton) and help groom Price at the same time, for the back-up spot down the road. If we draft a PG, I'd be cool with it, but I'd guess we'd be trading one of them, or keeping both and grooming the rookie PG for the starting spot, and Price for the back-up. Down the road. Same can be said if we get a PG like Duhon or Banks or Mo Williams.
IMHO I think we need to draft an athletic big man (6'8"+) who can run. The days of pound it down low and play slow are fast disappearing. Just as everyone loaded up with big guys to counter Shaq the league must now try to counter Phoenix and Dallas...out tall them to defend but able to keep up as well and have an advantage on offense. And the backcourt must be quick/long.
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Amanjoy said:
I'm all for upgrading the PG depth with a vet to replace Hart. I also wouldn't mind drafting a big man, but I think the guards there are better values/basketball players. I think they are more likely to contribute and do it soon. I don't see why we should tie any of our future plans around Ronnie Price. Say Douby is there. He's better than Ronnie Price right now, will contribute next year, and could be an impact player in the mold of a Barbosa within a few years. If there is a defensive big man who is pretty equal (or close) talent-wise, okay pass on him. But the reason should not be because we have Ronnie Price.
Meanwhile nbadraft.net messed up a bit:
"One clarification, in the last draft buzz we made the statement that a scout had said that Oleksiy Pecherov had destoyed Hilton Armstrong in a workout. After speaking with a member of the Washington Wizards staff it was likely an erroneous statement as the representative said that both players showed well in the workout."
"One clarification, in the last draft buzz we made the statement that a scout had said that Oleksiy Pecherov had destoyed Hilton Armstrong in a workout. After speaking with a member of the Washington Wizards staff it was likely an erroneous statement as the representative said that both players showed well in the workout."
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VF21 said:
now i won't be able to go to sleep right. ... thanks vf21
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The thing about the draft is that you don't know who is going to be available, so while we can all make our wishlist consist solely of backup PGs and PF/Cs, if a really good SG/SF slips to the 19 spot, you take them and figure things out later. If Rodney Carney, for instance, somehow slips to the #19 spot, I think you take him and don't look back.
Otherwise I'm all for size and athleticism at the PF/C spot. This point guard class is awful, the only one I would be excited about is Randy Foye, and he's going to be long gone by 19 -- everyone else is either skilled but too slow (Marcus Williams, Jordan Farmar) or athletic but unskilled (Rondo, Diaz).
I really wouldn't be surprised to see Petrie trade out of this draft like he did when the Kings drafted Dickau. I'd be excited if he traded up, but with the crappiness of this draft that's a risk he probably wouldn't take.
Otherwise I'm all for size and athleticism at the PF/C spot. This point guard class is awful, the only one I would be excited about is Randy Foye, and he's going to be long gone by 19 -- everyone else is either skilled but too slow (Marcus Williams, Jordan Farmar) or athletic but unskilled (Rondo, Diaz).
I really wouldn't be surprised to see Petrie trade out of this draft like he did when the Kings drafted Dickau. I'd be excited if he traded up, but with the crappiness of this draft that's a risk he probably wouldn't take.