Injuries (Bonzi and Peja Out)

[captain bill]

Jesus christ! This is terrible.

Even more of a reason why we should of gotten/get a vet. swingman.

So, our line-up for a bit:

Bibby
Martin
Garcia/Corliss/KT (I'd think Garcia)
SAR
Brad

Not going to expect a lot, just going to watch things. Good that can come outta this is consistent PT (as in getting minutes consistently) for Garcia/Martin. Unless we do, indeed, make a move or two.

No way we start Martin AND Garcia- my guess is we put SAR at SF and start Thomas at PF (or vice versa). This could be a blessing in disguise (emphasis on could)- KT will be forced into a more serious role and given a lot of minutes, and might go back to being the player he was last year, floating around a 20-10 average. Martin and Garcia will start getting consistent playing time. Time on the court might make our bench actually come together and play well- remember at the beginning of the year when people were thinking that the Kings had one of the best benches in the league? We can actually use all that "talent" now. And let's be honest- this season wasn't going anywhere, even if we managed to make the postseason. Hypothetically, we can go after a higher lottery pick and Bonzi will be much easier to re-sign in the offseason. Let's just hope that whatever trade is gonna be made happens now before Peja's arm falls off or something.

 

[Warhawk]

This isn't a bleeping video game.

Tanking the season is for losers who have no pride in themselves or their fans, especially when there's more than half the season left to play.

I don't care if they end up 30-52. I do NOT want to see them dog it just to get a better draft pick. ONE bleeping draft pick is not going to make a championship team. You need all the components. Look at the Cavaliers. They have arguably the best pick to come along in years and I don't remember seeing them in the NBA finals.

If people cannot support the team any longer, fine. Then find another team to support. But to continually act like this team has failed to live up to your personal expectations is just ludicrous.

Agreed and well said. I don't believe in tanking for any reason. Play to win, and let the chips fall where they may.

 

[VF21]

captain bill - I'd be tempted to start Corliss - at least against the Mavericks. If nothing else, use him for six HARD fouls and see if Avery loses it.



I'm going to be at the Dec. 22 game. I'm going to yell even louder and I'm pretty sure the people around me will do the same.

Yeah, this sucks but this is when the team needs to know the fans still support them. If you're going to be at the game tomorrow night, I fully expect to hear you cheer, starting with the player announcements and throughout the game. Let's show them we do remember Arco thunder!

 

[kingsfan52miller]

This isn't a bleeping video game.

Tanking the season is for losers who have no pride in themselves or their fans, especially when there's more than half the season left to play.

I don't care if they end up 30-52. I do NOT want to see them dog it just to get a better draft pick. ONE bleeping draft pick is not going to make a championship team. You need all the components. Look at the Cavaliers. They have arguably the best pick to come along in years and I don't remember seeing them in the NBA finals.

If people cannot support the team any longer, fine. Then find another team to support. But to continually act like this team has failed to live up to your personal expectations is just ludicrous.

Agreed. i dont care how many games they lose, i will support them no matter what, LETS GO KINGS!!!!!

 

[Smart_guy3]

This isn't a bleeping video game.

Tanking the season is for losers who have no pride in themselves or their fans, especially when there's more than half the season left to play.

I don't care if they end up 30-52. I do NOT want to see them dog it just to get a better draft pick. ONE bleeping draft pick is not going to make a championship team. You need all the components. Look at the Cavaliers. They have arguably the best pick to come along in years and I don't remember seeing them in the NBA finals.

If people cannot support the team any longer, fine. Then find another team to support. But to continually act like this team has failed to live up to your personal expectations is just ludicrous.

You bring up a good point VF, but realistically you are right maybe because the Kings never lived up the expectations I expected them to get to...

But if they do tank it's not because they gaved up and they have no pride there gonna think about the future and who they could get in the draft to get them going down the road.

 

[kingsfan916]

good times

Sickee!

 

[Diabeticwonder]

Tanking the season??? Come on people. I don't care what 5 guys are on the floor...they are never going to tank the season. The whole "tank the season" thing applies more to management than it does to coaches and players. If the Kings really were goint to tank the season than you would see a dramatic change in personel. Although the cast of players we have now isn't going to win anything, they aren't going to tank it.

 

[John Galt]

Look at the Cavaliers. They have arguably the best pick to come along in years and I don't remember seeing them in the NBA finals.

Stay tuned....

But I agree with you about tanking - I'm wholly against it under any circumstances. But I hope the 49ers accidentally lose the Bush bowl anyway.

 

[bench_blob]

The Kings aren't going to TANK anything. C'mon, get real. There's too much pressure from the community and fan base, and management to perform at a high level. And frankly, based on what has happened the last few years, there is a tradition of good basketball to uphold. So forget that....In fact, its not even worthy of a response, really.

These are professional atheltes were talking about, they have their pride. Bibby has talked repeatedly about being embarassed and pissed off when they lose in underachieving fashion.

As far as injuries, maybe K-Mart and Cisco will be more effective playing with more talented teammates besides them....and they can bring a new athletic dynamic to the starting line-up.

Losing Bonzi is terrible, of course...we don't lose to the Bobcats if he's out there.

Peja may as well sit down for a while. He's not getting anything done on the court. But how this announcement figures into a possible trade? Could someone explain that?

 

[captain bill]

Now hold on just one second- there is a difference between trying to tank the season and just being bad and losing anyway. When I say that hopefully the Kings will get a high lottery pick after all these injuries, I don't mean to imply in any way that the Kings should not try their hardest on the court. But if guys go down and miss chunks of time, and we incidentally lose more games and get a higher pick, I'm going to say that's no big tragedy. Personally, I'd rather have a high-impact player from the draft than get knocked out hard in the first round. I DO NOT want any games to be thrown. All I'm saying is, there's a silver lining to all of this.

 

[BMiller52]

Now hold on just one second- there is a difference between trying to tank the season and just being bad and losing anyway. When I say that hopefully the Kings will get a high lottery pick after all these injuries, I don't mean to imply in any way that the Kings should not try their hardest on the court. But if guys go down and miss chunks of time, and we incidentally lose more games and get a higher pick, I'm going to say that's no big tragedy. Personally, I'd rather have a high-impact player from the draft than get knocked out hard in the first round. I DO NOT want any games to be thrown. All I'm saying is, there's a silver lining to all of this.

The draft is a crapshoot, we sure got a lot of high impact players when we were in the lottery for infinite years

 

[thesanityannex]

GREAT! just in time to be embarrassed on TNT against the Mavs. things seem to be going our way

the mavs already embarrassed themselves.

 

[thesanityannex]

No way we start Martin AND Garcia- my guess is we put SAR at SF and start Thomas at PF (or vice versa). This could be a blessing in disguise (emphasis on could)- KT will be forced into a more serious role and given a lot of minutes, and might go back to being the player he was last year, floating around a 20-10 average. Martin and Garcia will start getting consistent playing time. Time on the court might make our bench actually come together and play well- remember at the beginning of the year when people were thinking that the Kings had one of the best benches in the league? We can actually use all that "talent" now. And let's be honest- this season wasn't going anywhere, even if we managed to make the postseason. Hypothetically, we can go after a higher lottery pick and Bonzi will be much easier to re-sign in the offseason. Let's just hope that whatever trade is gonna be made happens now before Peja's arm falls off or something.

I like the way you think, postive thinking is needed at this time. I wanted to see KT and SAR together before the season. Together, they may make a lethal combo with SAR's inside presence and Thomas shooting from the elbow. Who knows?

 

[G_M]

The draft is a crapshoot, we sure got a lot of high impact players when we were in the lottery for infinite years

I resent those comments!!

Sincerely,

Pervis Ellison
Travis Mays
Billy Owens

 

[Ryle]

Kind of would have been nice to sign Barnes when he was available about 2 weeks ago

 

[PFFFT!!]

Im all for tanking the season and getting a high draft pick. So Im hoping we just start the entire bench and put the starters on IR, and pick up some Sac State players to fill the bench.

 

[Rowdyone]

A roster-eyed optimist would look at this situation as an opportunity. Peja hasn't been playing up to his capabilities for some time now so his absense will only hurt if rookie mistakes occur. But Bonzi being gone is a blow. Especially since he'll be playing gingerly when he returns probably given the nature of groin injuries. Remember how long BJax was out with that? Shudder.... But the playoffs train has been a glimmer in the fog for a coulple of weeks now and even if we did make them it's doubtful we could go far as currently comprised so let's use this time to at least see what we have in the young players...Price and Sampson included with KMart and Cisco.

 

[Bricklayer]

Look at the Cavaliers. They have arguably the best pick to come along in years and I don't remember seeing them in the NBA finals.

That will not last.

I'd just forfeit 82 games and trade the whole damn team to have the future the Cavs have. One pick can make a difference. Its meant everything to San Antonio. But there has to be a LeBron out there (or Duncan) and you have to already mostly stink in order to make even letting a few games slide be a realistic alternative. Getting the #8 pick instead of #10 is only marginally interesting.

 

[Bricklayer]

Kind of would have been nice to sign Barnes when he was available about 2 weeks ago

For whatever reason we seemed to make it quite clear to Matt that we had no interest. I have noi idea why that is. Frankly I think it was stupid. But I am saying that a lot nowadays.

 

[chelle]

oh man! This is NOT going to be pretty, but I will still be cheering them on and as a fan, I EXPECT them to play their hardest. There is NEVER an excuse for tanking a season. I am not worried that they would do that. Surely they have more pride in themselves and the uniforms they are wearing to EVER think of that.

Miracles can happen. I will hope for a win tomorrow until teh final buzzer sounds. they have my support- whatever it is worth!

GO KINGS!

 

[Bricklayer]

Joke is that we have the depth to still field a competitive team. You just would never know it the way we have been playing. We'll be ugly and mismatched, because Geoff has assembled an ugly and mismatched team. But we've got multiple former starters sitting on our bench, so we can at least throw established NBAers out there.

 

[AleksandarN]

Joke is that we have the depth to still field a competitive team. You just would never know it the way we have been playing. We'll be ugly and mismatched, because Geoff has assembled an ugly and mismatched team. But we've got multiple former starters sitting on our bench, so we can at least throw established NBAers out there.

Also I look at it this way: more chances for the backups to show their worth in possible trades in the future. The more exposure the bench gets the more easier it is to trade them.

 

[VF21]

That will not last.

I'd just forfeit 82 games and trade the whole damn team to have the future the Cavs have. One pick can make a difference. Its meant everything to San Antonio. But there has to be a LeBron out there (or Duncan) and you have to already mostly stink in order to make even letting a few games slide be a realistic alternative. Getting the #8 pick instead of #10 is only marginally interesting.

One pick can make a difference EVENTUALLY if it's LeBron James. If it's Joe Kleine then it's pretty much not gonna do it...

I used LBJ as the most exaggerated example. A lot of the people around here wouldn't be happy even with a player of LBJ's caliber unless the results and gratification were pretty much instant. And that's not going to happen.

 

[VF21]

Stay tuned....

But I agree with you about tanking - I'm wholly against it under any circumstances. But I hope the 49ers accidentally lose the Bush bowl anyway.

In the case of the Niners, I think the meeting between them and the Texans will go down in the NFL record books as arguably the most ridiculous game in the history of sports.

Which team will try to get the most penalty points by putting too many or too few teams on the field? Which team will tell their QB to look for the open guy wearing the OTHER jersey?

The opportunity for total and complete "tankage" is looking better and better.

 

[BLNINJA #81]

forget this year... tank next year and get Oden.

 

[Kings241]

i hope we get rid of all our starters except for Shareef and Bonzi. Its time to get more athletic and better on defense. Forget the playoffs lets just build for the future!!!!

 

[nbrans]

I know it's gospel around here that SAR is actually a small forward because he once was a small forward seven years ago, but KT is the one who is going to see more action at the 3. He's much better suited to guarding smaller, faster guys (like McGrady, which he did respectfully), and SAR has a much better post game. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a lineup of Bibby, Garcia, KT, SAR, Miller.

 

[Kings241]

I know it's gospel around here that SAR is actually a small forward because he once was a small forward seven years ago, but KT is the one who is going to see more action at the 3. He's much better suited to guarding smaller, faster guys (like McGrady, which he did respectfully), and SAR has a much better post game. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a lineup of Bibby, Garcia, KT, SAR, Miller.

Well as long as KT doesn't settle for those ugly 18 ft shots I like KT being in the lineup. He presents a quick first step and shoots well when he's WIDE OPEN within the offense.

 

[PacMan]

Is it just me or does anybody else find it strange that Peja's injury is sorta coming out of nowhere. This morning's edition of Sac Bee was quoting Peja saying that his hands feel fine and that he does not know why he is still struggling. Then now he has a back injury? If he was in pain then i think he woulda spoken up a while earlier rather than waiting until the diagnosis.

 

[Kings113]

Kings Coach Rick Adelman
On Peja's injury:
“His back has been bothering him, he’s been playing through it, he’s been stiff. You know, the last week it has been bothering him, so I didn’t know what to expect. That’s just something there that has bad timing, but other people are now going to have an opportunity.”

"I know he was definitely having stiffness in his back for the whole road trip. I think he first started complaining after the Minnesota game. I just found out the information today, we’ll have to be ready to go for tomorrow with who we have.”

On Bonzi's injury:
“I know when it happened, I just don’t know the play at all. I just remember him immediately walking over to Pete (Youngman) and I could tell he was hurting. The play was at the other end of the court and I knew I had to get him out.”

On the starting line-up:
“I’d imagine I’d start Kevin for sure, but beyond that, I don’t know who is going to be the other guy. We don’t have a lot of options—either we play small or you have to play a power forward in a small forward’s spot. Everyone is a possibility—I think that’s what we tried to figure out today, as to what to do. We’ll talk about it, discuss it tomorrow and make a decision.”

“It’s the way it goes, it’s never easy. We’ve had injuries before, it’s a lot different because we have lost three in a row and are behind everybody. We need to start winning some games at home before you get anywhere. People have to respond.”

“I haven’t even talked to Geoff about signing anybody. We just found out before practice about Peja—I’m sure we’ll talk about it and make a decision.”

http://www.nba.com/kings/news/Adelman_Reacts_to_Kings_Injuri-162033-58.html

I'd like to see someone signed (did before this, obviously ). There are solid/decent players still out there.