in two years?
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captain bill
All-Star
Evans
Martin
Casspi
Thompson
Brook Lopez
Bench: Green, Hawes, Beno, Birdman/Robin Lopez
Martin
Casspi
Thompson
Brook Lopez
Bench: Green, Hawes, Beno, Birdman/Robin Lopez
ivan_fiba
G-League
talking bout bosh? haha
ParniValjak
All-Star
PG: Tyreke Evans
SG: Fransicso Garcia
SF: Donte Greene
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Emeka Okafor
SG: Fransicso Garcia
SF: Donte Greene
PF: Chris Bosh
C: Emeka Okafor
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
what is the obsession with bosh? hes an average defender at best, and defense is what we need in our big guys.
kingzallday
Starter
Realistically?
Evans - Rodriguez
Martin - Garcia
Greene - Casspi
Thompson - Brockman
Hawes - Cousins?
Un-realistic
Wall - Rodriguez
Evans - Garcia
Greene - Casspi
Bosh - Thompson
Oden - Hawes
Evans - Rodriguez
Martin - Garcia
Greene - Casspi
Thompson - Brockman
Hawes - Cousins?
Un-realistic
Wall - Rodriguez
Evans - Garcia
Greene - Casspi
Bosh - Thompson
Oden - Hawes
ParniValjak
All-Star
He also happens to be a young low post All-Star which would give us an excellent inside-outside pairing with Tyreke going forward (something that majority of championships team have).
Add to that Okafor who is your interior defender to take the heat off Bosh and factor in that Tyreke and Greene are solid defenders who are improving and have potential to be very good in this are. Top that off with a scrappy solid defender in Garcia and you have a pretty good defensive starting 5 with Bosh potentially being your weakest link defensively. I would take that every day of the week and twice on sunday's thanks!
Gary
All-Star
ODEN? EEP!!
He seems REALLY fragile, and now with both legs having had surgery I don't trust that he will be able to play more than 40 games a season if is career isn't already ended.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
You're right. He's the best big man on argueably the worst defensive team in the league. For all the talk about Kevin killing our defense when he comes back, how much would Bosh really help on that end?
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I respect your opinions, and enjoy reading your posts, eventhough I don't always agree. But, I want to ask you, why do you want Cisco to be our future sg? He will be 30 when he fully recovers from the broken arm. So, even if you think Cisco fits better next to Tyreke than Kevin, I don't see how he would be a good longterm solution on such a young team. Also, I think he is too inconsistent as a shooter to be a starting sg in this league. Thoughts...
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Don't know how realistic it is, but I want to make a run at Al Jefferson in a year or two. I don't see him tolerating the losing, or the inept front office in minn for much longer.
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Donte Green
JT
Al Jefferson
All of these guy are young, play both sides of the ball, and haven't reached their potential.
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Donte Green
JT
Al Jefferson
All of these guy are young, play both sides of the ball, and haven't reached their potential.
sidney
Starter
This is where I would be leaning if we are talking somewhat realistic.
KT fot Okafor
Martin/Hawes in a sign and trade maxed out Bosh.
JT/Casspi/Beno bench + two first round draft picks
sidney
Starter
Isn't Cisco 27 right now (28 in a few weeks)?
ParniValjak
All-Star
Cisco's age is not that problematic. He is only a year older than Kevin but he is still a role player whose game complements Reke better than Kevin's. Cisco is jack of all trade master of none. He can shoot it a bit, he can handle the ball, he can pass, he can play solid D and doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective.
He is a good shooter and he is a legit size for a SG which is what you want next to Reke. I just think Cisco might well be the best fit you can get next to Reke in possibly the entire league.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Sorry but Al Jefferson is a one way player. He is a crap defender. Always has been and always will be.
ParniValjak
All-Star
That was my line of thinking.
KMart and Hawes or JT (would prefer it to be Hawes) for Bosh - this is probably the least realistic option of the ones in my line up
KT and even loose change if needed for Okafor.
And you still have solid bench with Beno/Casspi/JT or Hawes.
You have 3 solid bigs one of which is a genuine star and another a defensive anchor who gives you a double double with a couple of blocks per game
Off the bench you get some real energy with JT and Casspi and Beno can play both guard positions. A fair bit of flexibility, nice bland of defensive and offensive potential and just as importantly we are tall side.
captain bill
All-Star
no one else likes the idea of bringing in the lopez twins?? a front court of brook lopez + jt would be sick
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I doubt there is a single gm in he league that would rather have a Tyreke/Cisco backcourt over Tyreke/Kevin, especially given the fact they haven't played together. No, 5 games doesn't count if thats what you're thinking.
While I agree a Cisco-type sg could compliment Tyreke well, at this point there isn't any evidence to suggest that would work better than Tyreke w/ Kevin. Tyreke really hasn't played with either of them.
We want a sg next to Tyreke that can handle the ball, which Cisco can do. But I also want a sg next to Tyreke that can help spread the floor consistently, slash to the hoop and move w/ out the ball, and prevent the defense from sagging off and preventing Tyreke from driving. None of which Cisco does on a consistent basis. Honestly, I don't want Cisco handling the ball any more than he has to. Last year he played some point by default because of our lack of pg's, but that isn't his strong suit.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
we need a star big even more -- 1 star little + 1 star big is the ultimate NBA formula for winning. Wish he was more complete, but he's what's available.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
He's not a great defender, but he's not crap either. I would MUCH rather have Al Jefferson as our center than Okafor.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I rather suspect a number of the smarter ones might prefer exactly that.
Its just about knowing basketball. The one who do recognize the synergies there with Cisco, and the potential problems there with Kevin. Not to mention massive expense even if he were to take a firm backseat. Kevin as 18ppg scorer is a) only a slightly better weapon than Cisco who can go for about 15, and b) costs twice as much, money that could be betetr spent elsewhere.
We'll probably have to see a Reke/Kevin backcourt, and it will probbaly haave to scuttle us and cost Reke his ROY chase before we make a move. But the potentially better fit of a Reke/Cisco backcourt is absolutely a topic of discussion around the country.
Lets forget about Bosh, he isn't who we should be targeting. Lets forget about Lopez, he is getting a max extension the day he is eligible for one. Lets also forgo talking about Emeka because he isn't going to lead us to the promised land, and im not talking about Israel(omri fans). We need a big man that can make Thompson play his natural position of PF in stead of having to play center. The best place to find these type players are through the draft. I would look at a couple C's and a couple PF's because as Chuck Hayes proved, it isn't how tall you are. We seem to have the 1-3 positions absolutely covered, they just need to mature and develop and mesh. Unless Shaq becomes available, I wouldn't give up Hawes for anyone less. Hawes has to be given more time to put on the weight and trim down to a playable number. I hate the idea of giving bosh or anyone else a max contract because there is no reason to hand out a max contract unless we get a championship in exchange. Webber/Bibby/Peja/Vlade/Jackson/Christie were all given generous contracts because they were one of the handful(5 or less) of teams that were competing for a ring. I would rather let other teams spend all they want, and pick up and scraps or the toxic yet talented assets. I believe a major move too early in Tyreke's developement would take away from the need for him to learn how to become a finisher/superstar. Lebron didn't make the playoffs for 2 years, and god knows i wanted him to. tyreke's freshman campaign has been almost as impressive thus far, and I wouldn't want to take touches away from tyreke before he becomes infinitely comfortable with the NBA and scoring and finishing and all that jazz. Let's establish Tyreke as the draw and let NBA players ask us if they can come and play with Evans.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Jefferson is not a center. And he's a lousy defender when you try to make him pretend to be.
He would be an acceptable alternative to Bosh as the inside/outside big, but frankly he's not himself right now, and he doesn't have Bosh's feel for the game or feel for his greatness. Bosh has stepped forward here with a desire to be great and be mentioned amongst the greats. Jefferson is jsut slogging his way through as a depressing franchise player on a godawful team. Bosh is the more ready of the two to actually win, and because of the contract situatin, probably more available. Minny simply can;t afford to lose Al.
kingzallday
Starter
Yeah, but I would like to give the big fellow another shot at playing again. Maybe its just me but I have a gut feeling that he's going to work hard to come back and be one the premier centers in the league.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
I don't think we'll ever agree on how Kevin fits with this team. While I agree the potential is there for a Tyreke/Cisco backcourt to work, and work well, the potential isn't enough at this point for me to give up on a Tyreke/Kevin backcourt.
I want to see the combination either succeed, or fail, before replacing Kevin with Cisco. Not too early for discusion, but too early for a decision.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
Don't you think a change of scenery might be exactly what Jefferson needs? He hasn't been impressive lately, but you can't dispute his talent and upside.
Heuge
Starter
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