In Petrie We Trust
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SacTownKid
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Word.
SacTownKid
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Somehow those moves make a lot more sense when you bring in the best DEFENDER in the league.atxrocker said:
Bricklayer
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SacTownKid said:Somehow those moves make a lot more sense when you bring in the best DEFENDER in the league.
And that's closer to the truth. Although Kevin's blossoming had justified that pick even before Ron arrived.
In any case, I remain unconvinced bringing in Artest was Petrie's idea rather than the Maloofs', and it was obviously the key turning move. Believe the SAR signing has largely been a failure, although he might still be decent value as a 6th man here. And am going to withhold judgment on the Bonzi trade until we see whether we just let him walk for free.
So...In Petrie...we have a man who's **** stinks as much as any other.
SacTownKid
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Kev.in said:
Kind of reminds me of the summer before the 2002-2003 season. Hopefully things end up differently for us this time however.
BLNINJA #81
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Well, I think it was the Maloofs that forced Petrie's hand on the Artest deal and in the process made him look good. I don't give kudos for that. The rest of the moves are solid tho.
tubiscus
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As I recall, from the repeated interviews the Maloof's, Joe in particular, gave on this subject, Geoff came to them with the trade. They asked Geoff if he thought it was a good move. Geoff said he felt it was and Rick agreed. So they went for it, with some apparent trepidation, as I recall the words were "worth the risk" but willing to forget the past and let Artest start with a clean slate. If that is the correct information, then it would seem a pretty standard transaction to me. It doesn't sound like something Joe and Gavin forced on Geoff at all. The look on Geoff's face during a few of the "poor effort" losses made it pretty clear to me there would be a change. I'm just glad it was a player and not the coach.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Having seen numerous bio pieces on the Maloofs the day of the trade, not buying it. Especially not since:
1) the bio pieces show only Maloofs involved
2) every media member and fan in the country had been suggesting it for years
3) Geoff had gone out of his way to poo poo the exact same trade last summer (with his moon pointing comment)
4) Geoff was preaching the value of sitting on his hands as recently as early January
5) Ron had been out there and imminently available since early December
In many ways it does not matter who pulled the trigger on that one since there were hundreds of people on this very board suggesting the same thing, media boobs like Vescey calling for it etc. Unless we and they are all bleeping geniuses too. Completely obvious move, whoever made the call. Just the question of whether somebody was actually dragging his feet or not. But regardless, finally reaching the same conclusion as everybody else did 2 years back isn't exactly genius stuff whether it was Geoff or the brothers Maloof.
1) the bio pieces show only Maloofs involved
2) every media member and fan in the country had been suggesting it for years
3) Geoff had gone out of his way to poo poo the exact same trade last summer (with his moon pointing comment)
4) Geoff was preaching the value of sitting on his hands as recently as early January
5) Ron had been out there and imminently available since early December
In many ways it does not matter who pulled the trigger on that one since there were hundreds of people on this very board suggesting the same thing, media boobs like Vescey calling for it etc. Unless we and they are all bleeping geniuses too. Completely obvious move, whoever made the call. Just the question of whether somebody was actually dragging his feet or not. But regardless, finally reaching the same conclusion as everybody else did 2 years back isn't exactly genius stuff whether it was Geoff or the brothers Maloof.
GoGoGadget
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Bricklayer said:
Well, some of us are.
GoGoGadget
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kingkung said:
There may have been questions about whether or not it was a smart move given Artest's history, but it was still an obvious move. There and available for, what, two years? There was a certain amount of innovation/guts associated with taking the gamble and going for it, but it's not as if anyone associated with the Kings organization woke up one morning in January to the sound of a lightbulb flickering over their head.
nbrans
All-Star
Yeah, wow. Petrie isn't any smarter than he was a year ago, and he didn't suddenly lose his mind either. I really couldn't believe the unhappiness with Petrie early in the season.
Petrie consistently makes good moves, and that's really all you can ask of a general manager. No one is infallible, but Petrie gets it right most of the time. I was definitely in favor of bringing Shareef to Sacramento and agree with those who think the results have been slightly disappointing thus far, but when he's signed for backup money it's a no-brainer and a net positive. Same with Hart, the other misstep, who only cost a 2nd round pick.
The Kings feel like they are just one move away from being serious again, I can't wait to see what that move will be.
Petrie consistently makes good moves, and that's really all you can ask of a general manager. No one is infallible, but Petrie gets it right most of the time. I was definitely in favor of bringing Shareef to Sacramento and agree with those who think the results have been slightly disappointing thus far, but when he's signed for backup money it's a no-brainer and a net positive. Same with Hart, the other misstep, who only cost a 2nd round pick.
The Kings feel like they are just one move away from being serious again, I can't wait to see what that move will be.
Bricklayer said:
Most of that also sounds like classic Petrie, though. Deny, deny, make an obscure reference to something, and keep your lips shut until it is done.
I do agree that I think the Maloofs are all over this one, though, in some way, manner, shape, or form. Doesn't matter to me. Maloofs and Petrie and Adelman are a pretty good combo, IMHO.
Entity
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Since before the trade and now after it i don't feel its a gamble. To me it was a gamble to keep going with Peja. His style did not fit what we needed anymore. Peja was awesome when we had the 2 best passing big men in the league. then we got brad and had the 3 best. when vlade and webber left it was just brad whom is the worst of the 3. Brad is much more uncontrolled on the elbow although his screens are better he isn't as smart with the ball as the other 2. Now Brad fits well with somebody that can create for themselves and he doesn't have to pass and set screens for someone in order for them to take a shot. Peja made Brad work much harder than he should. Brad was working harder to get Peja a shot that to get himself a shot. Now if Peja could post up or take someone off the dribble he would have done fine. The Kings just could not proper with that type of one dimensional player. sure we would win some games but never to the level we are at now. My true feelings is we needed something new and I felt K-mart and Garcia were going to be that something new. Peja needed to be gone for those 2 to prosper although it would take more time. Thats why i feel the gamble was keeping Peja and pushing the kids back. Now you throw in Artest and the injury to Bonzi and you get to the level quicker because you got basically a player almost at superstardom. So he is taking us to that level we need and the kids are growing and learning from him and bonzi on defense. Peja could not teach kev and frac anything but, Artest and bonzi are going to make their games grow that much fast and that much stronger. If we can keep 7 of this 8 man rotation in tact for next season we will be at the top of the pacific again. here are the ones we must keep to reach that plateu.
Mike Bibby
Kevin Martin
Ron Artest
Brad Miller
Francisco Garcia
those 5 are a must now any combination or all of these 3 would be nice
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
If we cannot keep all or 1 or 2 of those 3 we must sure up the PF spot with defense and rebounding and not a liability on offense. If Bonzi doesn't return we must do the same with the other swing position with Garcia getting most of the minutes. But you do need someone just in case.
#1 objective is we have to draft a PF/C to grow with this team this year or trade for a young active PF/C
Mike Bibby
Kevin Martin
Ron Artest
Brad Miller
Francisco Garcia
those 5 are a must now any combination or all of these 3 would be nice
Bonzi Wells
Kenny Thomas
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
If we cannot keep all or 1 or 2 of those 3 we must sure up the PF spot with defense and rebounding and not a liability on offense. If Bonzi doesn't return we must do the same with the other swing position with Garcia getting most of the minutes. But you do need someone just in case.
#1 objective is we have to draft a PF/C to grow with this team this year or trade for a young active PF/C
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MrBiggs
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kingkung said:
Some people (including me) feel that the trade benefited the Kings simply by getting rid of Peja's sourface. Ron Artest was just icing on the cake.
Andriod_KiNg
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The fact that we didnt know the "future" was going to stay or leave was a big problem.kingkung said:
Sacto=Slappo
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MrBiggs said:
Don't forget the Chewbacca growl in the paint!!!
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AriesMar27
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either way the webber trade still sucked..... this team would be kick *** with webber, bonzi and artest..... bibby and miller would be in heaven.....
love_them_kings
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AriesMar27 said:
would have loved to see Webb & Artest play together (Bonzi too). Talk about a team of warriors! And, yes, Petrie has made some great moves over the years, but he's only human, as evidenced by the Webb trade. When Petrie decides to flop, he goes all out!
Entity said:
edit: Tend to agree with the top paragraph.
The bigs field, who can be had realistically (FA or not) is OK. There are a few nice swingmen who'll be FAs and can be had by anyone. Harpring/Rasual Butler/Jumaine Jones or energy/hustle guys like Greg Buckner and good ol' Matt Barnes. Agreed on drafting a defensive big.
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AriesMar27
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love_them_kings said:would have loved to see Webb & Artest play together (Bonzi too). Talk about a team of warriors! And, yes, Petrie has made some great moves over the years, but he's only human, as evidenced by the Webb trade. When Petrie decides to flop, he goes all out!
i wonder if petrie tried to make the trade before webber was traded? but artest was suspended for the season, if he hadnt been, maybe..... just maybe.... we could have had the greatest team of all time, with the perfect mix of offense and defense....
bibby
mobley
artest
webber
miller
would have been pretty sick in last seasons playoffs.....
I think Reef is money... we've seen his role diminish, which has benefitted the team.. but dont confuse his acceptance to take on a more linear role with lack of skill . He is an amazing FA signing... he only cost us the midlevel exception! Besides, we're playing with four power forwards and bibby most of the time.. he just blends in
I agree with Brick. There is every reason to believe that Petrie that the roster he assimilated in the offseason would be a true contender. Many knowledgeable posters here were pointing out the fallibility of that belief long before November/December. I give Petrie credit for Martin panning out, drafting Cisco, and the Bonzi deal (irrespective of what happens with Bonzi in the offseason). However, as stated, the Artest deal was entirely obvious, and should have been consummated 2-3 years ago when we still had Webber.
SacTownKid
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Webber and Ron doesn't sound like such a good combo to me. They both need to handle the ball, and Ron is running the offense now.
