I'm on the Moreland band wagon. Are you?

Are you on the Moreland bandwagon?


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Dude, the luxury tax is calculated at the end of the season based on the salaries in effect AT THAT TIME. Please see my response above. Vivek Ranadive has already spent about a bazillion dollars. Spending a little bit more now to assess Moreland doesn't really cost him much of anything. No risk, no reward.

Vivek is a very smart businessman. He paid a lot of money for the Kings because it was a very good investment.

Not taking the salary cap seriously when you are a horrible team is what dumb and careless teams do.

Please don't take my comments so defensively. It's just that most all teams don't like being luxury tax paying teams (especially small market lottery teams), so I think it's unlikely they will go over the luxury tax to sign a player like Moreland. Would be nice to see if they cleared some room to do it though.
 
Vivek is a very smart businessman. He paid a lot of money for the Kings because it was a very good investment.

Not taking the salary cap seriously when you are a horrible team is what dumb and careless teams do.

Please don't take my comments so defensively. It's just that all teams take the luxury tax very seriously (well except maybe the Nets), so I think it's unlikely they will go over the luxury tax to sign a player like Moreland. Would be nice to see if they cleared some room to do it though.

We'll have to agree to disagree as it appears we have a fundamental difference of opinion on taking the salary cap seriously. You're worrying about us being over in July 2014 when it doesn't even get counted towards luxury tax until April 2015. I'm pretty sure they've thought about that.
 
Vivek is a very smart businessman. He paid a lot of money for the Kings because it was a very good investment.

Not taking the salary cap seriously when you are a horrible team is what dumb and careless teams do.

Please don't take my comments so defensively. It's just that most all teams don't like being luxury tax paying teams (especially small market lottery teams), so I think it's unlikely they will go over the luxury tax to sign a player like Moreland. Would be nice to see if they cleared some room to do it though.

Look at it this way:

I have a three-car garage, which currently houses three cars. I live in an area that has incredible weather most of the year, with a short rainy season around mid-April. I get a chance to buy a car that I really like but I'd have to park it outside until I can sell one of the other cars. Do I pass up the car I really like or do I go ahead and buy it, with the knowledge I'll have to move one of the other three within the next 8-9 months?
 
Vivek is a very smart businessman. He paid a lot of money for the Kings because it was a very good investment.

Not taking the salary cap seriously when you are a horrible team is what dumb and careless teams do.

Please don't take my comments so defensively. It's just that most all teams don't like being luxury tax paying teams (especially small market lottery teams), so I think it's unlikely they will go over the luxury tax to sign a player like Moreland. Would be nice to see if they cleared some room to do it though.
They'll unload someone. Jason Terry seems a good candidate to stretch. I think they can easily sign all 3 and end up under the tax line.

Moreland is pocket change.

This does seem to mean no marshon brooks.
 
They'll unload someone. Jason Terry seems a good candidate to stretch. I think they can easily sign all 3 and end up under the tax line.

Moreland is pocket change.

This does seem to mean no marshon brooks.
The thing about stretching Terry is that impacts your salary cap for the next 3 years at just under $2 million per season. Now you do that and blink if the player you are getting as a result of that is an impact guy who will play major role for you. I doubt you would consider doing that for a couple of minimum salary guys who might not even be around when you are still paying of that Terry contract!

Its not about penny pinching Maloofery but its about cap management. In 3 seasons time we hope to be a good team and for $2 million, we could actually sign a good veteran to be our rotation guy and provide some ability to the bench.
 
We are not going to pay the luxury tax next year in order of the honor of having Moreland, Acy, Casspi, even Sim. None of those guys. That would basically be the same financially as handing them a $10mil a year contract.

But that doesn't mean we don't sign those guys. It just means our desperate search to dump our other mistakes gets an extra kick. Outlaw and Dwill and Terry are enders. Ben, eh, hard to tell who's still sniffing the glue on that one other than us, but its possible. The gold standards are the JT and Landry anvils. That stuff is not totally unmoveable. At least not if we're talking about small enough bits of it to clear room for a bunch of minimum contract guys.
 
It should be noted here that it was discovered recently that the Kings signed Collison for a shade less than the full taxpayers' MLE. How much less? Turns out the amount is the exact same amount of the minimum rookie contract with guaranteed money. Meaning the Kings can sign Moreland without going into the luxury tax.

Yep. It appears that they may have had this planned with Moreland, back before Collison was signed. They scouted this guy in detail and wanted him all along
 
Yep. It appears that they may have had this planned with Moreland, back before Collison was signed. They scouted this guy in detail and wanted him all along

Well that's a bit of a reach wiht9out even having seen him in SL. But keeping the door open fro SOME minimum contract guy could have always been part of the plan to get in some cheap support guys.
 
But that doesn't mean we don't sign those guys. It just means our desperate search to dump our other mistakes gets an extra kick. Outlaw and Dwill and Terry are enders. Ben, eh, hard to tell who's still sniffing the glue on that one other than us, but its possible. The gold standards are the JT and Landry anvils. That stuff is not totally unmoveable. At least not if we're talking about small enough bits of it to clear room for a bunch of minimum contract guys.

Exactly.
 
But it's rumored they told Moreland he had first round talent before SL. Granted if it didn't go well, no harm no foul. But I imagine they had eyes on him.
 
If the Kings decide to stretch Terry, they SHOULD have enough room to sign Casspi, Moreland, keep Acy, and even Marshon Brooks if we so choose. These minimum deals do not cost much. I don't know exactly how much we'd save by stretching him, but IF the Kings want all four players, they will keep all four players.
 
You're far better off trying to find a trade partner for Terry's expiring contract than you are stretching him.
By stretching him, more than likely you are only going to get back a little bit of value to bring on a smaller contract. (Acy, Casspi, Brooks, Moreland, ect.)
But holding on to him and using him as an ender in a future deal you have the opportunity to get a bigger impact player.

I wouldn't mind seeing Brooks on our roster as a scoring guard off the bench as well as Moreland coming in to develop to see what he has to offer, but I'm hoping that we don't lose a valuable asset in Terry's ender in the process. I'd rather Vivek go over the Luxury tax line, even temporarily than lose Terry's ender and the possibilities that come with it.
 
I think stretching some of these guys would be a mistake. As would over concerning ourselves with the luxury tax line when many of these salaries are coming off the books. You don't make a move that has 2-3 years worth of implications to save a few bucks. Besides I think a lot of guys we routinely complain about here won't be with the team by opening night and certainly not by the trade deadline.

re: Jason Terry though, if he continues to refuse to report or play for Sacramento and openly discuss playing for other teams, are there no possible ramifications for that?
 
I think stretching some of these guys would be a mistake. As would over concerning ourselves with the luxury tax line when many of these salaries are coming off the books. You don't make a move that has 2-3 years worth of implications to save a few bucks. Besides I think a lot of guys we routinely complain about here won't be with the team by opening night and certainly not by the trade deadline.

re: Jason Terry though, if he continues to refuse to report or play for Sacramento and openly discuss playing for other teams, are there no possible ramifications for that?

I don't think he ever refused to report or play, but I could be mistaken. If he does, his contract is voidable by the Kings.
 
Wouldn't it be ideal for both Terry and the Kings to agree on a buyout?

The only time a buy-out is good for the FO is if it's an ending contract and it's past the trade-deadline.
Right now Terry's an ending contract for 5.85 million.
Which means that his contract could be half of the salary of an impact player making 10 million dollars, and ending contracts are always sought after by GMs when looking at big deals involving high-salary guys.
For instance we probably don't manage to make the Rudy Gay trade with-out the enders of Patterson and Vasquez, along with the close-to-ender of Salmons. If those guys had been on multi-year deals...the trade wouldn't have gone through.

So if we get past the trade deadline and Terry is still on our roster, then yeah, you try to buy him out, but otherwise he's a really valuable commodity due to his ender status.
 
I would not want to buy Terry out on sheer principal. He's an arrogant prick living in 2010 so why help him collect 2 paychecks? I would sign Moreland today to a minimum contract for 2 years with a team option for $1-2million for a 3rd year after that. I would move forward with the exact team in place including Terry, Casspi, Acy, and Moreland. Keep in mind the tax is assessed at the end of the year based on you end of the year contracts so there is nothing to stop the Kings from starting the season above the cap. I would then actively shop Outlaw, Terry, Landry, JT and DWill (though I believe if Malone spends a little extra effort on him he can light a fire under his backside) along with the 7million trade exception. With all of these assets you are sure to be able to move at least one of them before the year is out to a partner looking for cap relief. JT will be made more or less redundant if you sign Moreland because he is not a great defender or a good rim protector (which Moreland can be) and he is not a good scorer (which landry is) though I would prefer to move Landry, Terry or Outlaw. If towards the the middle of the season you are still unable to move any of them and create a better cap situation, simply buy out the least expensive ender (Outlaw or even Terry if you absolutely must) and you will be below the cap. The Kings have nearly $17Million in expiring deals without including Acy's contract which is non-guaranteed and a team option for 1.2M next year or Gay's $19.3M which would actually raise it wot ~$37million in expiring deals. You could also throw MCM into that with his $3million team option if he doesnt improve this year...though based on a OK summer league I do think he is on the right track.

I can tell you for sure that Terry and Outlaw will NOT be in Sacramento next year as one doesnt want to be and the other is now redundant (unless competition with Casspi turns him into Outlaw of 07-08 in which case he still wont be making $3million next year) so getting rid of them one year early can be swung but should be a last option to stay below the cap. Under no circumstances though should this team who will barely win 30 games be above the cap.

PDA stated the way forward for this team is signing / getting players who are good, even if they are overpaid (like Josh Smith or Landry) who can make the team better without having to give up pieces that are in the long term plans of the organization. Well, Terry and Outlaw are definitely NOT in the long term plans and I would doubt, based on the SL performances that DWill will be past this year so I am OK with getting rid of them at the last minute to get below the cap. With the huge cap space I would try to keep Gay on a more reasonable contract (~$12-13/yr) and go out and get a better PG (Rondo) by overpaying a little ($12-15/yr) and a some good shooters and perimeter defenders (beleneli, danny green, tayshaun prince, type guys) while keeping JT/Moreland for the bench trying to trade landry.-
 
I don't think he ever refused to report or play, but I could be mistaken. If he does, his contract is voidable by the Kings.
Was under the impression that he never even came to Sacramento. Don't know for sure. About the only former Arizona Wildcat I could give a rip about. Going back to Elliot and Kerr I've pretty much supported them all.
 
Was under the impression that he never even came to Sacramento. Don't know for sure. About the only former Arizona Wildcat I could give a rip about. Going back to Elliot and Kerr I've pretty much supported them all.

He wasn't asked to report. He went home to Dallas to "rehab his knee." While I think that's probably horse-crap, I don't think the front office ever really had any intention of seeing him in a Kings uniform.
 
We'd be packaging him with 2-3 other contracts. We're not signing a big FA for Terry's money.
 
That would mean so much more to me if "real +/-" weren't basically the most worthless stat yet invented by the stat brigade. What a scam.

Fortunately I have this handy test I like to employ where I actually watch guys play, and amazingly enough, actually watching Moreland play you could see he was dynamic at that level. Wondering what the games are about with him and this signing. Not like somebody is going to call a press conference for the signing of an undrafted guy.

My best guess is it's a "ducks in a row" kind of thing.
 
I'm hoping he chose the Kings, especially seeing who he is following on Twitter, DMC, etc.

Can Moreland play backup center to DMC, since we are currently overloaded with PFs?

IF PDA can't move any of the PF until the trade deadline, Moreland may have to play backup center to get some playing time.

PF Thompson / Landry / Evans
SF Gay / Casspi / Acy
C DMC / Moreland
SG McClemore / or Stauskas
PG Collison / McCallum
 
I'm hoping he chose the Kings, especially seeing who he is following on Twitter, DMC, etc.

Can Moreland play backup center to DMC, since we are currently overloaded with PFs?

IF PDA can't move any of the PF until the trade deadline, Moreland may have to play backup center to get some playing time.

PF Thompson / Landry / Evans
SF Gay / Casspi / Acy
C DMC / Moreland
SG McClemore / or Stauskas
PG Collison / McCallum

He could play a Keon Clark type center behind Cousins but it would really depend on matchups. Thompson is essentially the only guy currently on the roster that has the requisite size to play center other than Boogie.

I'll be curious to see if Malone plays a healthy Landry (who he has a history with) as the starting PF or not. Other than that the only real position battle is at the SG spot.

If Thompson is eventually dealt (and given the rumors at the deadline and during the offseason I have to assume they are actively trying to trade him) then Moreland (if signed) has to be the backup center by default.
 
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