Circa_1985_Fan
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Anyone got a clip of it? I was doing work when that happened.
Ilyasova - dirty play or accidental? (split from game thread)
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Brace yourself. It is not pretty - and for the record I think the second contact was clearly intentional. I honestly have my doubts about the elbow, though, too.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
After watching the replay a few times, it looked like Ilyosova knew exactly where Ryreke was before throwing the elbow. Hate to say it, but I think the elbow was intentional. There is also a report that the photographer who was sitting on the baseline said Ilyosova was howling when he threw the elbow.
I don't know if the nba will review it, and either fine/suspend Ilyosova. What is more important to me, is to have someone on the team stick up for our franchise player. He gets knocked out of the game, possible the season, on a questionable elbow, and no response from anyone on the team. No one confronted Ilyosoa and said anything. No hard fouls in return. I'm not saying we need to retaliate, but someone has to show it's not ok to throw elbows at our franchise player.
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
You've got to remember that that moment was pure mayhem. I wouldn't be surprised if they thought that Carl Landry was the one who hit Tyreke since he literally threw himself on top of Ilyasova at the same time.
I can almost guarantee you that the next time they play, something might happen since everyone has seen what happened. Of course, it will be greatly exaggerated contact since Ilyasova flops like a fish on a dock.
vikinginferno
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This was clearly more than Ilyasova pulling down a rebound and the elbow hitting Reke along the way. Maybe the contact was incidental AT FIRST, but no one can disagree that Ilyasova saw what he was doing and then continued to elbow Tyreke into the ground. The extension that Ilyasova did was not a basketball play. You can see him throw Tyreke to the ground and right after Tyreke is pushed down, he pulls his arm right away. Not sure if it warrants a suspension, but it does warrant some review by the NBA and maybe a fine.
Section 101
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He was looking that way because Landry was on top of him and he was falling that direction. Your first reaction when falling is to brace yourself. One of the most common sports arm and shoulder injuries is from players reaching out to brace themselves. IE Cisco on the ball.
vikinginferno
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Ummmm, why does it matter WHY he was looking that way? It only matters that he saw what he was doing. If you want to say that was bracing yourself then a lot of NBA players will start "bracing themselves" by elbowing opposing players anywhere near them. That was not bracing himself, extending an elbow outward parallel to the ground is not bracing yourself.
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I think he was referring to the second push, that most would agree looked intentional. Not the original grab rebound, clear guys out play.
Sorry, but this comment is baiting, nothing more.
My first reaction when falling is not to thrust my ELBOW out parallel to the ground at another players face.Sorry, but this comment is baiting, nothing more.
Yeah usually if you're falling you'll brace yourself with your hand or something, not your elbow. Falling on your elbows hurts a lot worse. That's then number one thing you DON'T want to do.
You can see the hit on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqdPN5UVVA8
43 seconds is where I would guess the injury comes from, and doesn't look like it was on purpose at all. Just hit him with the elbow on the way down. 44-45 when he throws him off looks like it was on purpose, but def not where he was injured.
edit: Even when Ily pushes him away on his way down, it doesn't look that dirty to me - even if it was obviously intentional. Ily was falling down, Tyreke was falling on him, Ily pushed him away/off.
43 seconds is where I would guess the injury comes from, and doesn't look like it was on purpose at all. Just hit him with the elbow on the way down. 44-45 when he throws him off looks like it was on purpose, but def not where he was injured.
edit: Even when Ily pushes him away on his way down, it doesn't look that dirty to me - even if it was obviously intentional. Ily was falling down, Tyreke was falling on him, Ily pushed him away/off.
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Kingsguy881
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Are you jealous that Ilyasova got to throw that elbow at Tyreke and not you?
I just watched on YouTube and replayed it several times. The push seemed to be a continuation of the elbow to the jaw. Almost an exclamation point to the jaw hit. I saw no break or second effort with the push. The reason in my mind why the first contact didn't look like a intentional swinging elbow was that Tyreke's jaw impeded the motion.
My conclusion was that this was an intentional elbow from the beginning. It was similar to the type of play against Cisco, but didn't connect. I call flagrant foul. Payback is in order. 
My conclusion was that this was an intentional elbow from the beginning. It was similar to the type of play against Cisco, but didn't connect. I call flagrant foul.
Payback is in order.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yeah, Ilyasova can pretty much kick rocks for that forearm shiver...it DID look like he knew what the hell he was doing.
Section 101
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Go test it for yourself. Hold a basketball out in front and have someone push you to the side. See which way your elbow goes.
OK, but I need someone to play the part of Evans...
Yes, your elbow would move out to the sides, but your arm would extend downwards wouldn't it? Ilyasova extended his arm out almost parallel to the ground, he didn't lower his elbow at all. Go test it for yourself. Hold a basketball out in front and have someone push you to the side. See if when you fall you stick your elbow out parallel to the ground at first and extend your arm in the same direction.
KingsDyNasty34
G-League
With the angle shown on the highlight reel, When Ilyasova grabbed the rebound i'm actually unsure of it being intentional or not. Also it seems as he knew Tyreke was standing there and just brings his elbow down with force. I am certain the push with his forearm was intentional. Did you see how tyreke landed on his knee? That was scary as well....
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rainmaker
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I saw it from a different angle than that highlight showed. I saw it from a camera on the baseline where Ilyosova looked in Tyreke's direction before throwing the elbow. He also yelled when throwing the elbow, IMO, to make a point. It was dirty. Didn't think so at first, but it was.
That highlight only shows one angle. Last night on nbatv they showed it from 2 other angles, and a few seconds before this highlight started. You can't see Ilyosova's eyes in this one, or what he was looking at a few seconds before throwing the elbow. That really is not the best clip to judge if it was dirty or not.
That highlight only shows one angle. Last night on nbatv they showed it from 2 other angles, and a few seconds before this highlight started. You can't see Ilyosova's eyes in this one, or what he was looking at a few seconds before throwing the elbow. That really is not the best clip to judge if it was dirty or not.
Fear the Putin
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the elbow was accidental, the forearm was not. Watch the replay on youtube. Look for the game recap and they have the slow mo replay.
He might not have been aiming at Tyreke's jaw, but his intent was to elbow someone hard. I see ONE action, not two. The end of that action shows clear purpose. In my mind, this was dirty play.
But...It seems we're just going to have to agree to disagree and I'm OK with that.
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LWP777
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I think Udoka's shot to Jennings late in the game was retaliation for what happened to Tyreke.
ReinadelosReys
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Wow. Tyreke really landed oddly as well. We're lucky he didn't suffer any leg/ankle/knee injury as well
Jechtsphere
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The first part I don't think was intentional and the second part could be who knows...I've seen it and there is no way to tell if it's 100% cheap or not but later in the game he grabbed a rebound and was swinging his elbows...if I'm on the court I say you do that again and I'm kicking you square in the face.
Can't remember who it was or what team but recently Laundry and someone else literally had to dodge flying elbows and no one said a thing...no one on the team nor the refs.
Wish we had someone who would let it be known that you aren't going to do what you like.
Can't remember who it was or what team but recently Laundry and someone else literally had to dodge flying elbows and no one said a thing...no one on the team nor the refs.
Wish we had someone who would let it be known that you aren't going to do what you like.
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