Iguodala and Granger

[twslam07]

I personally think that having Evans, Iguodala, Granger, Cousins, and Dalembert as our starting five would be the best lineup we could possibly get this offseason. I know some people have voiced their opinion about how we will not have enough 3pt shooting on our team if we trade for Iguodala. I’m not worried about that. I see this lineup as a supreme passing team. These are the assists numbers for all five of those players averaged out over 36 minutes:

Evans =5.5 assists
Iguodala = 6.2
Granger = 2.6
Cousins = 3.2
Dalembert = 1.2

This totals to 18.7 assists through 36 minutes of play for our starting five.

If you add 12 minutes from Udrih, Garcia, and Greene and 24 minutes from Thompson (by no means do I think this is the way the minutes should be divided up. I’m simply just making a point), these are the assist numbers for them:

Udrih = 1.7 assists
Garcia = 0.6
Greene = 0.5
Thompson = 1.2

This totals to 4 assists through 12 minutes of play for our bench.

If you add the assists from both these groups up, you get 22.7 assists per game. The league average is 21.5 assists per game and the leader is 23.84 assists per game. This puts us up there with the top tier passing teams in the league. I know this is all speculation and using stats from other teams, but it is a good baseline to draw from. Another good thing to point out is we do not have 1 PG who boosts our assists per game ratio up. Everyone on the team contributes to the assists making this team a deadlier passing team.

By making our team a top tier passing team, it will naturally generate more open shots and better looks for players. Our team will shoot better from distance because the open shots are higher percentage shots. This is why I am not worried when people say we need more 3pt shooting.

With the addition of Iguodala and Granger we will be at least above average in many of the facets of basketball. This is what we will improve on with the addition of these two players:
· Height (Starting lineup would be 6’6’’, 6’6’’, 6’9’’, 6’11’’, and 6’11’’.)
· Athleticism and strength (They are both very athletic players who run the floor well. We could get the most out of our fast breaks with them on our team.)
· Ball handling (They were both, at least one time in their careers, the focal point of their offenses causing them to handle the ball a lot. This made them more comfortable with the ball in their hands and will allow them to not be careless with the ball.)
· Rebounding (Considering our team is big, strong, and athletic, it would make sense that we would be a great rebounding team. Iguodala and Granger have always been above average rebounders for their positions, and I see no reason why that will not continue.)
· Passing (Must I repeat myself?)
· Defending (We all know how good Iguodala is as a defender. He is THE man at defense. Granger is not too shabby himself. I feel if he was on a team where some of his offensive pressures are released then he will become an even better defender as he will be more focused on that side of the ball.)
· Experience (Iguodala and Granger are both seasoned veterans who together can bring some much needed experience.)


Now that I have made my point for why Iguodala and Granger would be great additions to our team, we can move to how we get them on our team.

If the 76ers are looking for cap space in return for Iguodala, we would be a prime candidate for trading. I suggest we trade our 1st round pick (5th) and Casspi for Iguodala and their 1st round pick (16th). If the 76ers were not willing to do that, I would be fine with just trading for Iguodala and leaving their 1st round pick out of it.

Then the draft would come, and we would draft the best player available at the 16th spot. After the draft, we would sign Dalembert and then do a sign and trade with Thornton. We could do Thornton straight up for Granger, or we could trade Thornton and whoever we took with the 16th pick for Granger. I have a feeling that the Pacers would be willing to trade Granger just for Thornton, but I am okay with including the player we draft if we have to. Considering that the Pacers have George as their up and coming SF and that they are possibly looking for some cap space, this trade would be beneficial for them. After this trade, the pacers lineup would look like this:

PG – Collison
SG – Thornton
SF – George
PF – Hansbrough
C – Hibbert

That would definitely be a team to keep an eye on in years to come.

In conclusion, it would definitely be beneficial to trade for Iguodala and Granger and I think it could be done. What do you guys think?

 

[RookieOfTheDay]

Granger is a good 3 point shooter, 38% career. I think that would be an awesome starting lineup. That lineup could win 50+ games easily, in my opinion. I'm sure some of the resident experts will come up with reasons why it would never work, but it looks good to a novice such as myself. That lineup should put the Kings in contention for at least the next five years.

If the team needs more three point shooting, they could always get a “cheap” James Jones type of role player whose primary job is to come off the bench and hit some threes.

The only problem I see with it would be when it comes time to resign Evans and Cousins in a few years. Would they be able to afford to do that and pay for the rest of the team when they’d have Iguodala and Granger making a combined 25 million or so a year, plus Dalembert probably making at least 7 or 8 million a year. That could easily end up costing 60 million just for the starting five. Would a hard cap prevent that? Would the Maloofs pay that much? Would Evens and Cousins fal under Bird rights?

 

[The Hammer]

I know it sounds crazy, but I have a hard time giving up Thornton in that deal. I just got a feeling about that guy. Keep in mind he just finished his second year in the league.

But I hear you about them two. The thing people don't realize with capspace is that if you have it, it's actually pretty damn easy to deal for stars, given you have at least a few trade assets, which we do have, more than a few. We are without a doubt the number one positioned team in the league to acquire major talent, both from an assets point of view, and from a capspace point of view (can be viewed as asset in itself).

Whereas before it honestly hadn't crossed my mind that it would be possible to acquire TWO stars of that caliber, your proposal makes it seem emininently possible. Funny thing is though, we may even be able to get away with something like that giving up even less (in the first deal for Iggy), really due to the value of capspace. Casspi straight up. Keep the pick. Then trade the pick and Donte (or Garcia) for Granger. Boom. Now that's an offseason.

That would be a dream. But in my mind, not totally out of reach. In the end we essentially give up Casspi, the pick, and one of Garcia or Greene for Granger and Iggy. Dare do dream I guess. WTG on the idea. Pulling the trigger would much depend on what the CBA would look like going forward.

 

[vikinginferno]

The Pacers won't trade Granger for Thornton.

 

[Bricklayer]

Disclosure: Granger was definitely one of my own primary SF/3rd weapon targets righ up until the All Star break; and I have never liked blown up guards playing SF. Turns your whole team toward wussy.

Now that said I think peeps are missing out on the huge mana from heaven event that suddenly acquiring Thornton was. It fixed a lot of holes at once -- "other" guard, three point shooting, #3 weapon. These sorts of extreme twists and turns and plots and whatnot are not really necessary any longer...especially at the low low cost of $25mil a year.

Not only is Thornton a guy who fills a lot of our holes, but he's almost as young as the other core guys meaning you could keep the together for a long LONG time if they work out. And maybe best of all, he should come cheap. A 20ppg SG under the old CBA would be looking at upwards of $10mil a seaosn. But nobody is going to risk that kind of money on Thornton after only two half seasons of it. We've got a real chance to lock him in to a Peja like contract (we signed Peja just before he blew up/got expensive, and he was a notorious bargain throughout his Kings years -- we dumped him in his contract year, and let the Hornets do the stupid).

P.S. as an aside, I think the very worst thing Granger does is pass. He's gotten frighteningly selfish in his later chucking days.

 

[funkykingston]

Philly is actively looking to deal Iguodala and I'm not sure Indiana is looking to move Granger. But even if they are, there's no way it would be for Thornton in a sign and trade. First of all, Thornton would have to agree to it and I'm not sure he would. Sign-and-trades seem like a good idea but truthfully they ONLY seem to be used when a guy is going to leave anyway and the team uses it to get the player a bit more cash and get something in return which is usually draft choices, not big name players.

I think if the Kings ended up with a top 2 pick in the lottery they'd have enough ammunition to trade for both. Say Casspi and Thompson for Iguodala and the draft pick straight up for Granger. This means losing Thornton for nothing. It also means (assuming Dalembert is resigned) that the Kings are right at the cap limit which is important considering the league is pushing for a hard cap right around the current salary cap.

If the Kings don't land a top 2 pick I'm not sure they have enough to dangle for Granger.

Personally, I think the Kings go after one or the other and resign Dally and Thornton while keeping this year's pick. Casspi and a top 5 protected 2012 1st round pick sounds like a great deal for Iguodala considering that it gives Philly huge cap relief, a young SF with some promise and pick in a stronger draft from a team that has been in the lottery for years and hasn't topped 25 wins in 3 seasons.

I like Iguodala because he's a stronger defender and better passer who can slide to the off guard for a big lineup when needed. In a perfect world the Kings would win the lottery and grab Derrick Williams but either way they should be able to net one more solid piece while keeping the core intact and bringing back Thornton who ignited this team with his play and pairs well with Tyreke.

Evans
Thorton
Iguodala
Cousins
Dalembert

with Beno, Thompson, Greene, and Cisco off the bench is a solid squad that can grow together and Whiteside and the draft pick can be brought along slowly and any contributions they make next year would be gravy.

 

[bajaden]

Philly is actively looking to deal Iguodala and I'm not sure Indiana is looking to move Granger. But even if they are, there's no way it would be for Thornton in a sign and trade. First of all, Thornton would have to agree to it and I'm not sure he would. Sign-and-trades seem like a good idea but truthfully they ONLY seem to be used when a guy is going to leave anyway and the team uses it to get the player a bit more cash and get something in return which is usually draft choices, not big name players.

I think if the Kings ended up with a top 2 pick in the lottery they'd have enough ammunition to trade for both. Say Casspi and Thompson for Iguodala and the draft pick straight up for Granger. This means losing Thornton for nothing. It also means (assuming Dalembert is resigned) that the Kings are right at the cap limit which is important considering the league is pushing for a hard cap right around the current salary cap.

If the Kings don't land a top 2 pick I'm not sure they have enough to dangle for Granger.

Personally, I think the Kings go after one or the other and resign Dally and Thornton while keeping this year's pick. Casspi and a top 5 protected 2012 1st round pick sounds like a great deal for Iguodala considering that it gives Philly huge cap relief, a young SF with some promise and pick in a stronger draft from a team that has been in the lottery for years and hasn't topped 25 wins in 3 seasons.

I like Iguodala because he's a stronger defender and better passer who can slide to the off guard for a big lineup when needed. In a perfect world the Kings would win the lottery and grab Derrick Williams but either way they should be able to net one more solid piece while keeping the core intact and bringing back Thornton who ignited this team with his play and pairs well with Tyreke.

Evans
Thorton
Iguodala
Cousins
Dalembert

with Beno, Thompson, Greene, and Cisco off the bench is a solid squad that can grow together and Whiteside and the draft pick can be brought along slowly and any contributions they make next year would be gravy.

What do you do at the PF position now that you've traded Thompson? We're left with Dally and Cousins as the only bigs on the team and neither is a PF. Here's a really weird idea. Resign Dally and Thornton, and then see whose availble through freeangency or trade and persue it. How about keeping together the core that played so well at the end of the season? Stupid idea huh?

Thornton came in and averaged over 20 points a game. Passed the ball well. Handled the ball well. Has the abiltity to create his own shot. Played better defense than advertized. Meshed well with the team, and provided some leadership on the floor. Wanted the ball in crunch time, and made tough shots. He played well off the ball. In other words, he more than met everyone expectations. He exceeded them! He brought last season excitement to a team that seemed to just be plodding along. And now, everyone just wants to either forget about resigning him, or they want to trade him. What the hell is wrong with some of you people? The grass isn't always greener.

This last part is not directed at you Funky.

 

[funkykingston]

That's pretty much my thought. I mentioned trading Thompson because if the Kings dealt their pick this year (theoretically for Granger if the Pacers were interested) then they couldn't send next year's pick to Philly (can't trade back to back 1st rounders in the current CBA) and I think the Sixers would want more than just Casspi and cap relief for Iguodala.

To be clear I don't think it would be a wise move to go after both guys. That's two huge contracts, losing Thornton for nothing and I think it would take much more to pry Granger loose than what people are proposing. The Sixers (and their fans) want Iguodala out. He could be nabbed without giving up much (I proposed Casspi and next year's 1st) just to take his salary off Philly's books. THAT to me is worth looking into.

 

[Hallama]

The really important piece of ammo is cap space here, and the Kings have it. If there is a team out there that wants to dump talent w/salary, the Kings are in great shape. Another important factor is the Kings aren't a prime FA destination, so it is good to get a player with a couple years left on his contract so they can learn to love the city/team. Pretty sure Webber would've been one and done in Sac if he only had one year left on his contract, but the talent and winning around him swayed him to stay (well, a fat contract and two goofy owners willing to mow his lawn also helped).

 

[Dime Dropper]

If we got a top 2 pick, I'd hope we wouldn't trade it. Williams would fit perfectly with our group. There'd be no pressure on him.


This idea of aquiring Iguodala and Granger is nothing more than a pipedream. I don't get why it's being discussed so vehemently - there's nothing behind it. I can get behind trading for Iggy, as he'd at least bring some of what we need. Granger? Don't want, especially not for our pick. He doesn't fit and we most certainly do NOT need him.

 

[funkykingston]

There were rumors of Granger being available at the deadline and the Kings have a need at the 3, so I can understand that. But IF the Pacers are considering dealing him I don't think it wouldn't be just to move him - they'd want substantial talent in return. Iguodala though, is done in Philadelphia and everyone knows it. Considering his contract there aren't a ton of teams that would deal for him, not without shipping back some of their own bad contracts in return. Considering Geoff got Dalembert from Philly for Spencer Hawes and Nocioni and the only credible rumored deal I can find so far is Kaman for Iguodala I think Casspi plus next year's 1st rounder is a legitimate offer, especially when it would save the Sixers $12 million next season.

Hallama has it exactly right. The Kings aren't a FA destination, especially when the team isn't winning. Geoff won't be signing a marquee free agent any time soon. And furthermore this year's free agent crop is weak. The biggest value of the Kings caproom is to take on salary in exactly this type of trade. Sure, it's the equivalent of signing Iguodala to a bad contract, but I think that's a better option even than trying to sign Prince/Battier/Kirilenko to play the three this offseason when the Kings could easily miss out on all three.

And I have come around on Williams. I'm still not sure he's a natural fit at SF, but a perfect offseason for me would be the Kings drafting him AND trading for Iguodala. AI starts at the 3 while Williams learns the ropes and if it turns out that he plays too good to keep him out of the lineup then maybe you move Iguodala to the SG spot and Thornton comes off the bench.

It's possible that the Kings win the lottery and feasible that they'd trade for Iguodala. The odds of both happening are pretty slim. But it's a nice pipe dream.

 

[rainmaker]

If we got a top 2 pick, I'd hope we wouldn't trade it. Williams would fit perfectly with our group. There'd be no pressure on him.


This idea of aquiring Iguodala and Granger is nothing more than a pipedream. I don't get why it's being discussed so vehemently - there's nothing behind it. I can get behind trading for Iggy, as he'd at least bring some of what we need. Granger? Don't want, especially not for our pick. He doesn't fit and we most certainly do NOT need him.

I agree, especially at the expense of trading Thornton. I'm all for going after Iggy, if we don't have a top 2 pick, and offering Omri as well, and playing him at the 3. I also don't think there are enough shots to go around for a Cousins/Granger/Iggy/Reke lineup.

The only way I support sending Thornton to the bench is if we aquire a starting pg, which would only make our team, and bench that much more potent/deeper. Not in favor of trading Thornton or letting him walk.

I will say offering the 3rd or 4th pick, along with Omri, might very well get us Iggy. It gives Philly cap relief, which I think they would really want, and the ability to get Kanter, who immediately fills a need for them. Young/ talented center, on a rookie contract. That is exactly what Phill needs. Add in Omri, and $9-10M in cap relief, and that's a very good deal for them.

 

[mr. moustache]

Thorton @<7m > Granger@>14m
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I'm not even confident Thorton can keep playing the way he has been, but he's been providing about 80% of what Granger does at less than half the cost. No thanks to Granger, especially if it loses us Thorton.

I'm down with AI, but probably prefer to go the OKC route. Build through the draft and make small one-sided basketball trades utilizing your cap space.

 

[funkykingston]

Seems like most of us are on the same page. I have a hard time letting Thorton (who energized the team, was money in clutch situations, played great next to Tyreke and wants to come back) go to chase someone more expensive, who will cost additional assets to acquire and who may not be as good a fit.

If Iguodala can be had for Casspi and future considerations and it means keeping Thornton AND our pick then I'm down with taking on his massive salary.

 

[SacKings7]

We're not getting Granger for Thornton anyway, so we won't have to decide what would be best. Dealing for Granger could get tricky since Casspi is the most likely piece for us to send out, and they have Paul George waiting in the wings, who is a better prospect. Would they be interested in a Casspi/Thompson/1st for Granger/McRoberts or Hansbrough swap? Better yet, would we? N yes I'm aware McRoberts is a free agent. Seems to me like that would be the kind of deal we make to put us over the top, not really to get us to the playoffs. If it would cost us that much to get Granger, I think I'd prefer to go after AI. I think Granger is the better fit, but I'd be excited to get either.

But as far as the title of the thread goes, that is an absolute pipe dream, and I'm not even sure if that team would mesh very well.

 

[funkykingston]

I can't see the Kings going after both guys. It would mean letting Thorton walk and gambling on two borderline star players to mesh with the existing core while eating up ALL the team's capspace. Not to mention I don't see a way to get both guys without trading away pieces we'd much rather keep.

I like Iguodala more just based on fit and talent. And I get the feeling Philly just feels it's time for AI to move on and wants out from under his contract and so he'd be a realistic piece to acquire. I don't get that vibe about Granger but we'll see. This is a big offseason for Petrie.

 

[Glenn]

I can't see the Kings going after both guys. It would mean letting Thorton walk and gambling on two borderline star players to mesh with the existing core while eating up ALL the team's capspace. Not to mention I don't see a way to get both guys without trading away pieces we'd much rather keep.

I like Iguodala more just based on fit and talent. And I get the feeling Philly just feels it's time for AI to move on and wants out from under his contract and so he'd be a realistic piece to acquire. I don't get that vibe about Granger but we'll see. This is a big offseason for Petrie.

Granger was being shopped around last year or so I thought. I wouldn't want him post-Thornton though. Thornton changed our needs. We might get a bargain on Iggy and not have to give up much as he is not popular and has a big salary.

 

[bajaden]

That's pretty much my thought. I mentioned trading Thompson because if the Kings dealt their pick this year (theoretically for Granger if the Pacers were interested) then they couldn't send next year's pick to Philly (can't trade back to back 1st rounders in the current CBA) and I think the Sixers would want more than just Casspi and cap relief for Iguodala.

To be clear I don't think it would be a wise move to go after both guys. That's two huge contracts, losing Thornton for nothing and I think it would take much more to pry Granger loose than what people are proposing. The Sixers (and their fans) want Iguodala out. He could be nabbed without giving up much (I proposed Casspi and next year's 1st) just to take his salary off Philly's books. THAT to me is worth looking into.

Yeah, I agree! If we could aquire Iguodala that cheaply, I'd be all far it. Doesn't hurt to make the offer.. I would take either Granger or Iguodala, but I seriously doubt we could aquire both. And of the two, Granger would cost the most. The Pacers aren't in the same cap situation as Philly.

The Pacers are sitting at close to 34 mil, putting them over 20 mil under the cap, whereas Philly is sitting at 54 mil, with just a tiny bit of wiggle room. So the Pacers can easily keep Granger and still have plenty of money to add players. Philly can't! Cap relief doesn't come cheap..

 

[funkykingston]

Agreed. Philly is shopping Iguodala because he's being paid like a superstar and producing like a very solid roleplayer. The fans and organization are ready to move on without him and would love to get his salary off the cap. Indiana is (was?) considering dealing Granger becuase he's their most valuable trade asset and would bring back the most in return. Big difference.

 

[upinsmoke]

Why pursue Iggy when we have Reke?

 

[Bricklayer]

Why pursue Iggy when we have Reke?

SF rather than PG? Its kind of like asking why do you need Jordan next to Pippen. In general the more top flight stat stuffing all around both sides of the balls guys you have, the better.

The shooting question has been canvassed again and again in all these Iggy threads. But the flipside is that with his ballhandling/passing he could actually be a guy you purposefully fit in next to Reke -- on a team without a traditonal point, add a point forward, and split the running of the offense between Reke, Iggy, and Cousins. He essentialy replaces the Beno extra ballhandling we had with the Beno/Reke backcourt, except instead of being a defensive sieve, he's one of the best little man defenders in the game.

 

[upinsmoke]

I disagree I feel this team is in greater need of a 1 guard and wing that can spread the floor more.

EDIT: I do however see the potential for a all around solid Defensive squad with AI guarding the opposing teams best scorer. It might take Garcia to make the trade work making our outside shooting maybe the worst in the nba.

 

[bajaden]

I disagree I feel this team is in greater need of a 1 guard and wing that can spread the floor more.

EDIT: I do however see the potential for a all around solid Defensive squad with AI guarding the opposing teams best scorer. It might take Garcia to make the trade work making our outside shooting maybe the worst in the nba.

Why do you feel the need for a different Point guard? And, if we resign Thornton, we have someone that can spread the floor. Or are we back to the, Tyreke isn't a point guard thing again?

 

[upinsmoke]

Why do you feel the need for a different Point guard? And, if we resign Thornton, we have someone that can spread the floor. Or are we back to the, Tyreke isn't a point guard thing again?

I think we are because Reke is not a 1 guard imo. Combo guard on D yes but not a point.

 

[Glenn]

Reke is not a SG either. Should we put him on the bench?

 

[Bricklayer]

I think we are because Reke is not a 1 guard imo. Combo guard on D yes but not a point.

Combo guard on both sides of the ball.

And given the apaprent plan to team he and Thornton, that makes him..dum dum dum...the PG.

But that very comboness is again why the idea of acquiring a SF who can help distribute the ball is attractive. I think a large part of the offense could actually end up being run through Cousins. But having an exta ballhandler up top could give us more overall passing than many of the playoff teams this year. Remember Miami does not have an effective PG. The Thunder and Bulls are running shoot first guys averaging over 20 shots a game for themselves, and don't give them much passing help in their lineups. If we have Reke and Iggy and Cousins, we could have at least as much passing as those teams do., and a lot more creative ability.

 

[bajaden]

This fascination with a pure Point guard just befuddles me. Don't get me wrong, I loved John Stockton. I think Chris Paul is great. I followed Kidd from Cal to now, and I love his abilities. But those guys aren't plentiful, and the Kings type of offense doesn't require one of those guys. To some degree, those guys skills would be wasted in the type of offense the Kings are trying to run. The Kings are running a variation of the Princeton offense. Which is what the Lakers are running with the triangle offense. And what the Bulls ran with Jordan and Pippen. Please name me the great point guards on those teams? Tell me one thing those guys could do that Evans can't do. Should I remind everyone that those teams won championships.

You don't even need a point guard persay, in a motion offense. All you need are players that can shoot the ball, and pass the ball, and to some degree, have the ability to play off the ball. You don't need a dribble, distribute type of player. Now while what the Kings are doing is far from perfect, its also still in its infancy. But they do have some of the necessary players in place. All they need is time to grow together. Its obvious that they were trying to run the offense through Cousins a fair amount of the time. So basicly all you need to do is bring the ball down, and get the ball into Cousins hands. You don't need a Chris Paul for that. And if you want to argue that at times Tyreke took to long to do that, it wasn't because he couldn't, it was because he didn't. And that is a big difference.

Couldn't means can't! Didn't means he can, but for some reason didn't. In other words, one is correctable and one isn't. Other than Greene and Casspi, just about everyone on the Kings team is a good passer. I didn't include Whiteside since I have no idea when he'll be able to contribute. But I can tell you that he was a terrible passer in college. Which doesn't bode well for him in our offense. But for the most part, the team is blessed with good passers, and that a rarity on most teams. Put a good defensive player that can handle and pass the ball, hit the open spot up shot, at the SF positon, and I think the Kings can make a run at the playoffs. And they can do it without a Chris Paul.

 

[Glenn]

This fascination with a pure Point guard just befuddles me. Don't get me wrong, I loved John Stockton. I think Chris Paul is great. I followed Kidd from Cal to now, and I love his abilities. But those guys aren't plentiful, and the Kings type of offense doesn't require one of those guys. To some degree, those guys skills would be wasted in the type of offense the Kings are trying to run. The Kings are running a variation of the Princeton offense. Which is what the Lakers are running with the triangle offense. And what the Bulls ran with Jordan and Pippen. Please name me the great point guards on those teams? Tell me one thing those guys could do that Evans can't do. Should I remind everyone that those teams won championships.

In support of bajaden.

Reke won the ROY because of his skills which aren't what people think a point guard should be. In my view, this team would be disrupted by a "pure" point guard BECAUSE we have Reke and Cousins who is more of a playmaker than Reke. That's fine. I sure don't want to trade either because they don't fit a certain definition.

A great coach uses the skills that his team has. This was Adleman's skill and perhaps even Westphal's. Who knows?

But if you have a guy used to handling the ball who can slash to the basket with skills far above ordinary, you use that. If he isn't a creative passer, don't try to make him one. Use the skills he has to your best advantage and don't try to force him into doing something he is not good at. That's a waste of skill.

Anyway, I don't see opinions changing. I also really don't want Reke on the bench because he doesn't fit the definition of a pg or a sg. You work with what you have. Definitions are for text books.

When Webber and Vlade were guiding the offense, what was Bibby called? He was called the pg but he was a short shooter and because of the skills of the big men, we didn't need him to be anything else. He wasn't a pure pg and the team didn't need one.