If you were the Kings GM what trades would you make?

Bballkingsrock said:
Alonzo Mourning is gonna quit very, VERY soon. Marshall is not what the Kings need.

AND the other trade is just nonsense. Marko Jaric does not have the athletism that Bobby has. Also I haven't even heard of Rick Brunson. Where are all these imanginary fantasy trades coming from!!!
What are you talking about Marko is a better playmaker and defender then Bobby Jackson is also he would fill in perfectly for Doug Christie's role. Also Rick Brunson is a filler in this trade plus we would get a pick from them. Actually the only reason Mourning is thinking about retiring is because he does not want to play for Toronto. The only reason he came back is to win a Championship playing 20 mins a game. Also Marshall is a perfect fit for this team because he defends and rebounds the ball and can also can shoot the ball perfect.
 
Who said anything about him starting? Besides, Marshall can legitimately play SF, which means that he can back up Stojakovic, something that Barnes has not proven that he can do consistently, and Songaila has not proven that he can do at all.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Why not? He's a forward who is perimeter-oriented on offense, but can also rebound and block shots on defense; that sounds like exactly the kind of player that the Kings need... or, at least, exactly the kind of player they're looking for...

EDIT - Bricklayer's edit stole my thunder...
Yeah, I guess you are right. I guess I didn't think of it that way. :D BUT, songaila has proven a lot for the Kings. He can rebound defensivley, and he is a solid perimeter shooter.
 
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Who said anything about him starting? Besides, Marshall can legitimately play SF, which means that he can back up Stojakovic, something that Barnes has not proven that he can do consistently, and Songaila has not proven that he can do at all.
You've liked Marshall since he was on the Bulls, haven't you? I'll presume you know more about him than I ...

Isn't he a starter now?
 
Bricklayer said:
1) That was my trade idea to get Marshall as well. Would hate to lose Tag though, and Mourning's heart is in Miami.
2) But why oh why would the Clippers do that with Bobby hurt and the playoffs within reach?

P.S. I've made the argument before, and will again, that Donyell Marshall is perhaps THE single best fit in the entire NBA right now for what the Kings need off the bench. True combo 4/3 with three point shooting AND shotblocking AND rebounding. Peja's backup and a change of pace, as well as a mobile PF option who can guard people away from the hoop and block shots on the interior.
I thoink Mourning would be a good fit in Sac. The only reason he likes Miami is because he is in Toronto and he would get 20 mins a game with the heat. But if he traded to the Kings that would be a plus for him because he would be on a title contender.

The Clippers would do this because they get to keeper a very good starting PG for another year. It is not for sure that they can resign Marko this off season without paying a far amount of money and not sure Donald would do that since he would have sign Simmons aswell. Also they are looking at Saun Livingston as the PG of the future so they would look to having a starting PG for a couple of years untill iuntill Saun is ready. Bobby would be a perfect fit for them. Also Jackson would be back before the season's end aswell.
 
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Bottomline these trades = :

a) Jaric for Christie -- let's assume Jaric works out and we get a younger Doug, so fine. Note that Jaric has been injury prone though. A major concern when you have no backups.
b) Mourning for Tag -- obviously Zo's the better player. But he's also one step from retirement and injury prone even pre-kidney. Better player but for how long
c) Marshall for Bobby -- and this is the real key. Trading our 1/2 for a 3/4. About the same age. Bobby is tougher, but Marshall is versatile and rebounds and blocks shots. We big time patch our frontcourt but have to clean out our backcourt to do it.

Are we better? Eh... Younger? A little (Jaric). Changed the mix? Definitely. But now have the deep and versatile frontcourt and the shallow backcourt.

And in case I did not emphazise this enough last time WHY WOULD THE CLIPPERS DO THIS???
 
Bricklayer said:
Bottomline these trades = :

a) Jaric for Christie -- let's assume Jaric works out and we get a younger Doug, so fine. Note that Jaric has been injury prone though. A major concern when you have no backups.
b) Mourning for Tag -- obviously Zo's the better player. But he's also one step from retirement and injury prone even pre-kidney. Better player but for how long
c) Marshall for Bobby -- and this is the real key. Trading our 1/2 for a 3/4. About the same age. Bobby is tougher, but Marshall is versatile and rebounds and blocks shots. We big time patch our frontcourt but have to clean out our backcourt to do it.

Are we better? Eh... Younger? A little (Jaric). Changed the mix? Definitely. But now have the deep and versatile frontcourt and the shallow backcourt.

And in case I did not emphazise this enough last time WHY WOULD THE CLIPPERS DO THIS???
c) I think would be the best trade if the Kings really need one. The problem is he has been rumored in a great amount of trades.
 
Bballkingsrock said:
Yeah, I guess you are right. I guess I didn't think of it that way. :D BUT, songaila has proven a lot for the Kings. He can rebound defensivley, and he is a solid perimeter shooter.
Marshall is much better than Darius. And more importantly, much more versatile. Can legitimately play SF. Shoots threes. Blocks shots. Post game.There is something...insubstantial about him that has kept him kicking around the dregs of the league through the years, bu if you have a lot of frontcoourt holes to fill, he's a one man patch. (Also a rare player with the versatility to play in our system).
 
Bricklayer said:
Bottomline these trades = :

a) Jaric for Christie -- let's assume Jaric works out and we get a younger Doug, so fine. Note that Jaric has been injury prone though. A major concern when you have no backups.
b) Mourning for Tag -- obviously Zo's the better player. But he's also one step from retirement and injury prone even pre-kidney. Better player but for how long
c) Marshall for Bobby -- and this is the real key. Trading our 1/2 for a 3/4. About the same age. Bobby is tougher, but Marshall is versatile and rebounds and blocks shots. We big time patch our frontcourt but have to clean out our backcourt to do it.

Are we better? Eh... Younger? A little (Jaric). Changed the mix? Definitely. But now have the deep and versatile frontcourt and the shallow backcourt.

And in case I did not emphazise this enough last time WHY WOULD THE CLIPPERS DO THIS???
I already explained that the in my last post. It is not certain that would resign Marko plus they would have Bobby for another year for cheap. Also when bobby's contract is up Saun would be ready for the starting position.
 
The Mavericks are beating the Celtics 73-49 at the half. Anybody still think Paul Pierce wouldn't want to come to the Kings??
 
Here's the thing about finding a backup for Peja. As long as he is on this team you will only see roughly 8-10 min a night when he is not on the floor. So getting good player to back him up wouldn't work anyhow, no minutes. So I would say either he goes or he's our SF for the long haul. Maybe a trade involving:


Sacramento trades:
SF Peja Stojakovic
(20.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39.4 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

PF Tyson Chandler
(8.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27.1 minutes)
SF Luol Deng
(13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.9 minutes)

Change in team outlook:
+1.7 ppg, +10.2 rpg, and +1.6 apg.


Chicago trades:

PF Tyson Chandler
(8.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27.1 minutes)
SF Luol Deng (13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.9 minutes)

Chicago receives:
SF Peja Stojakovic (20.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39.4 minutes)

Change in team outlook:
-1.7 ppg, -10.2 rpg, and -1.6 apg.


TRADE ACCEPTED


There was a rumor of the Bulls wanting Peja pretty badly.

Deng is a very promising star and Chandler would help with the boards and D!
 
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I would be interested in some of Philly's youngsters this offseason if things don't pan out. If we need a quick veteran fix, however, I'd agree that Marshall should be the plan.
 
Celtics

The main thing I wonder is if the Celtics have any intention of trading Pierce, or if they plan on holding their cards...

That team isn't set for any type of salary relief for the next 4 seasons. I doubt anyone in Boston wants to wait that long for cap relief to do something with it. Besides... if they wanted cap room to play with, they wouldn't have dealt Walker for Raef LaFrentz of all people, and signed Mark Blount to a very nice contract this offseason.

NBA teams don't have many options are far as rebuilding. It either comes through the draft, trades or free agent signings. And we can basically rule out free agents on that team.

The draft is a somewhat viable option for the Celtics. They don't really have hope of getting a good lotto pick as their squad is going to contend for a playoff spot in the East pretty much every year. Even latter lotto picks don't usually pan out for the special player the Celtics really need.

So, the third option is another trade. The Celtics happen to have two guys that play the same position in Ricky Davis and Pierce. No GM without his brain missing is going to confuse how much better of a player Pierce is than Davis, but going from Pierce to Davis isn't a really bad drop off.

The problem could be Raef. LaFrentz happens to like to shoot the 3 ball, a lot. Having two guys on the same roster (if Boston got Peja) that love to toss up 3s may not be something Boston is interested in. And LaFrentz's contract makes him extremely difficult to move.


Kings

Sac would probably have to include another player that catches Boston's eye to make this work, and that guy probably isn't Ostertag. I highly doubt Miller or Bibby is going any where any time soon. Pretty much the same with Webber.

The options left on the roster would be Bobby Jackson and Doug Christie.

I -could- see this trade going down in Petrie was willing to part with his talent, but, I find it hard to believe that Petrie would accept giving up this many of the guys he brought in here. Petrie really seems to love the players he hand-picks, and has a lot of faith in them. Ostertag not being one of these, of course.

Anyway, if Petrie shopped any of his guys any time soon I'd be surprised. He's not a GM really prone to radical change at all, and moving any of the core guys he has could hardly be considered anything but. I personally think in two seasons, he'll have let Peja play his contract out, and he'll have a real good idea of what Webber is still capable of by then. From that point, he'll make his decision for the future of the team.

Why I think this is bad is I don't like how Peja performs in the playoffs. As much as I'd like to say we're a contending team as we are, with Peja on this roster, I simply don't feel that's the case. If you want to beat the best teams, you HAVE to have your top guys performing. Peja throwing bricks all day isn't going to get it done, and I don't have a lot of faith in him to turn things around this post season.

He's our starting SF and our 2nd option on the team. He HAS to perform for us to succeed. Again, I don't think it's going to happen.

I'd rather sacrifice some other people (Christie, Jackson) if that's what it takes to bring a guy like Pierce to Sacramento who prides himself on playing his *** off in the playoffs. We may not win it all, but at least we'll have another guy who comes to play when the chips are down.

For the record, I'm quite happy with how Bibby, Miller, BJax, Christie, Webber and basically everyone steps up their game when needed. The exception is Peja, and for a championship caliber team, you've got to have your guys clicking.

Ok, this is a long post, I'll end it here.
 
I should also note...

Paul Pierce is a very good rebounder for his size/position. The guy has had people who board pretty well around him for most of his career, and even then Paul still pulls down close to 7 boards a game.

Pierce has his problems, but I'll go into those some other time. Regardless... it's not always a player's strengths or weaknesses in their games that make you want them on your team, but their heart and desire to win, and to show up when they have to be the guy.

If there was a way outside of trading Bibby, Miller or Webber to get Paul, I'd be all for it.
 
Catalyst said:
I should also note...

Paul Pierce is a very good rebounder for his size/position. The guy has had people who board pretty well around him for most of his career, and even then Paul still pulls down close to 7 boards a game.

Pierce has his problems, but I'll go into those some other time. Regardless... it's not always a player's strengths or weaknesses in their games that make you want them on your team, but their heart and desire to win, and to show up when they have to be the guy.

If there was a way outside of trading Bibby, Miller or Webber to get Paul, I'd be all for it.
A trade that works cap wise is Christie and Peja for Pierce. I brought this up over the summer and people said I was crazy.
 
SacTownKid said:
Here's the thing about finding a backup for Peja. As long as he is on this team you will only see roughly 8-10 min a night when he is not on the floor. So getting good player to back him up wouldn't work anyhow, no minutes. So I would say either he goes or he's our SF for the long haul. Maybe a trade involving:


Sacramento trades:
SF Peja Stojakovic
(20.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39.4 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

PF Tyson Chandler
(8.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27.1 minutes)
SF Luol Deng
(13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.9 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +1.7 ppg, +10.2 rpg, and +1.6 apg.


Chicago trades:

PF Tyson Chandler
(8.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27.1 minutes)
SF Luol Deng (13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.9 minutes)

Chicago receives:
SF Peja Stojakovic (20.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39.4 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -1.7 ppg, -10.2 rpg, and -1.6 apg.


TRADE ACCEPTED


There was a rumor of the Bulls wanting Peja pretty badly.

Deng is a very promising star and Chandler would help with the boards and D!
Are you seroius?
 
I don't think Paul Pearce is a good fit. He has never met a shot he didn't like. He is not a good passing player. This Kings team is all about passing. If you notice, when the kings are winning and playing well, they pass the ball. They lead the league in assists to turnover ratio. I think Pearce is not the answer, but then its just my opnion.:confused:
 
SacTownKid said:
Here's the thing about finding a backup for Peja. As long as he is on this team you will only see roughly 8-10 min a night when he is not on the floor. So getting good player to back him up wouldn't work anyhow, no minutes. So I would say either he goes or he's our SF for the long haul. Maybe a trade involving:


Sacramento trades:
SF Peja Stojakovic
(20.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39.4 minutes)

Sacramento receives:

PF Tyson Chandler
(8.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27.1 minutes)
SF Luol Deng
(13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.9 minutes)

Change in team outlook: +1.7 ppg, +10.2 rpg, and +1.6 apg.


Chicago trades:

PF Tyson Chandler
(8.6 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 0.9 apg in 27.1 minutes)
SF Luol Deng (13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 2.4 apg in 28.9 minutes)

Chicago receives:
SF Peja Stojakovic (20.0 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 1.7 apg in 39.4 minutes)

Change in team outlook: -1.7 ppg, -10.2 rpg, and -1.6 apg.


TRADE ACCEPTED


There was a rumor of the Bulls wanting Peja pretty badly.

Deng is a very promising star and Chandler would help with the boards and D!
I saw this last night but was simply too tired to respond.

I thought about it and I think it's a pretty innovative idea. IF the Kings move Pedja, that means a major shake-up is most likely being done. In that case, I think getting Deng might prove interesting...and Chandler would give us more depth in the big department.
 
KingsFan54 said:
I don't think Paul Pearce is a good fit. He has never met a shot he didn't like. He is not a good passing player. This Kings team is all about passing. If you notice, when the kings are winning and playing well, they pass the ball. They lead the league in assists to turnover ratio. I think Pearce is not the answer, but then its just my opnion.:confused:
Don't ever feel you have to worry about giving your opinion. That's why message boards exist...

BTW, welcome! We're glad you're here!!!
 
The thing about any move made for kids is that its highly unlikely they are ready to be starters/major contributors on a championship team. So if you do it, its doubtful you've gotten any closer to your goal.

Come the offseason, if we fail, many of these things will be in play I would think. Even the two guys most likely to survive a shakeup, IMHO, Brad and Mike, have definite limitations that make them expendable if you're starting over with a new coach, new system, new team. I mean, do you really want your two holdovers to be unathletic poor defenders so that you can start off the new team with built in problems in those same areas we have now? So just about anybody and everybody could be in play. Biggest issue, by far, will be trying to find a star or stars to lead us. Webber will be getting too old to lead a rebuilt squad, and if we fail again and Peja flops in the playoffs again, it will confirm he can't be the guy either. Finding "the man" could be, in fact will be, the toughest task of all if we reach that point.

P.S. As an aside, Paul Pierce is a very good passer, when so inclined. I like him more as on OG where he's big and a dominant rebounder than as a SF where he's a bit undersized. Mentality would be everything if we ever got him (and I just don't see Petrie doing it to tell you the truth).
 
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I agree, Brick, if we fall short this season, then the shakeup will come.

Last time I checked, we were 17-9, a playoff lock and a title contender. You don't change that team unless you're making it better right now. Acquiring prospects for the future should not be our concern now; that's why I'm much more attracted by the thought of Paul Pierce or Donyell Marshall than I am by young guys like Deng.

A part of me would dearly love to see Pierce for Peja somehow before the playoffs... but I'd hate to lose Christie. Yet, how else to make it work?
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Alacron said:
I agree, Brick, if we fall short this season, then the shakeup will come.

Last time I checked, we were 17-9, a playoff lock and a title contender. You don't change that team unless you're making it better right now. Acquiring prospects for the future should not be our concern now; that's why I'm much more attracted by the thought of Paul Pierce or Donyell Marshall than I am by young guys like Deng.

A part of me would dearly love to see Pierce for Peja somehow before the playoffs... but I'd hate to lose Christie. Yet, how else to make it work?
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I thought and thought about how to get Donyell Marshall to the Kings but every deal had something wrong with it.

I have seen Deng play this season and the guy is incredible. I have no doubts the guy could help now. Chandler is a very talented guy as well that, with his athletic skills, could even swing the SF spot.

How about this lineup:

C: Tag
PF: Darius
SF: Chandler

Nobody is getting an easy dunk while they are on the court!
 
SacTownKid said:
I thought and thought about how to get Donyell Marshall to the Kings but every deal had something wrong with it.

I have seen Deng play this season and the guy is incredible. I have no doubts the guy could help now. Chandler is a very talented guy as well that, with his athletic skills, could even swing the SF spot.

How about this lineup:

C: Tag
PF: Darius
SF: Chandler

Nobody is getting an easy dunk while they are on the court!
I have no idea why Darius is included in that trio -- is he the guy letting people by so that Tag and Chandler can block the shot? ;)
 
Bricklayer said:
I have no idea why Darius is included in that trio -- is he the guy letting people by so that Tag and Chandler can block the shot? ;)
Yeah and its more impressive then Webb or Miller being on there.
 
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