I think Brad Miller will be traded!
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Let me just tell you this with Brad on the team we will never get anywhere close to winnnig a championship. First round maybe but thats about it in the playoffs.
Brad Miller is a guy thats gonna look great in the regular season but chokes major big time in the playoffs. Didn't we have another guy on this team like that we traded him away and got better? For those who think we're going to lose offense your wrong. There's plenty of offense around this team and getting a defensive center is another move towards becoming a defensive calibur team.
Brad Miller is a guy thats gonna look great in the regular season but chokes major big time in the playoffs. Didn't we have another guy on this team like that we traded him away and got better? For those who think we're going to lose offense your wrong. There's plenty of offense around this team and getting a defensive center is another move towards becoming a defensive calibur team.
SacKings384
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Trading Miller has become tough for three reasons...
1.His big contract
2.We have no backup C to take over, so any deal with Brad involved would have to involve another C sans the trade with Bonzi goes down.
3.The Kings offense has become stagnant, with not very many outside shooters and guys that clog the lane (especially if Bonzi comes back) Brad is a precious commodity to spread the floor. Adding a pure shotblocker and rebounder with zero offensive game will make it difficult for pretty much the only real scorer (Bibby) to carry the offense...
1.His big contract
2.We have no backup C to take over, so any deal with Brad involved would have to involve another C sans the trade with Bonzi goes down.
3.The Kings offense has become stagnant, with not very many outside shooters and guys that clog the lane (especially if Bonzi comes back) Brad is a precious commodity to spread the floor. Adding a pure shotblocker and rebounder with zero offensive game will make it difficult for pretty much the only real scorer (Bibby) to carry the offense...
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Are you really comparing Dampier and Brad Miller? Dampier unlike Brad Miller can block shots, rebound and defend in the post against guys like Tim Duncan.
What can Brad Miller do once his shots not falling? He can't help the team by rebounding, blocking shots, playing defense or anything else to help the Kings win in the playoffs.
Its not always about who can score the most points... The Little things like defensive stops and rebounding can help your team win games in the playoffs.
kingsrock783
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CAREER AVERAGES
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
98-99 CHA 38 0 12.3 .565 .500 .794 .9 2.2 3.1 .6 .24 .47 .84 1.70 6.3
99-00 CHA 55 4 17.5 .461 .000 .785 2.1 3.3 5.3 .8 .42 .64 .87 2.00 7.7
00-01 CHI 57 45 25.2 .435 .200 .743 2.5 4.8 7.4 1.9 .58 .67 1.28 3.10 8.9
01-02 CHI 48 47 29.0 .460 .500 .751 3.7 4.7 8.4 2.1 1.08 .60 1.54 3.30 12.7
01-02 IND 28 28 31.1 .562 .333 .823 2.7 5.1 7.9 1.8 .86 .43 1.46 3.10 15.1
01-02 -- 76 75 29.8 .499 .429 .775 3.3 4.9 8.2 2.0 1.00 .54 1.51 3.20 13.6
02-03 IND 73 72 31.1 .493 .313 .818 2.5 5.7 8.3 2.6 .89 .59 1.62 2.80 13.1
03-04 SAC 72 53 36.4 .510 .316 .778 2.7 7.7 10.3 4.3 .94 1.19 2.00 3.40 14.1
04-05 SAC 56 56 37.3 .524 .263 .812 2.5 6.8 9.3 3.9 1.23 1.21 1.46 3.20 15.6
05-06 SAC 79 79 37.0 .495 .386 .828 1.5 6.2 7.8 4.7 .77 .78 2.28 3.00 15.0
Career 506 384 29.7 .497 .345 .794 2.3 5.4 7.8 2.8 .80 .70 1.57 2.90 12.3
Playoff 38 21 27.6 .489 .125 .720 2.0 4.2 6.2 2.5 .68 .63 1.61 3.40 9.9
His production isnt close to his big *** contract. I HATE Miller. I wouldnt mind shipping him to the lakers for kwame brown or shipping him for someone we have to develope. He doesnt have to be a scorer. As long as he can rebound, block, and/or play solid defense i would be fine with him. Miller's scoring is solid but look at the rest of his stats other than assists (the only stat where he is the best center)
REBOUNDS PER GAME
YEAR TEAM G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
98-99 CHA 38 0 12.3 .565 .500 .794 .9 2.2 3.1 .6 .24 .47 .84 1.70 6.3
99-00 CHA 55 4 17.5 .461 .000 .785 2.1 3.3 5.3 .8 .42 .64 .87 2.00 7.7
00-01 CHI 57 45 25.2 .435 .200 .743 2.5 4.8 7.4 1.9 .58 .67 1.28 3.10 8.9
01-02 CHI 48 47 29.0 .460 .500 .751 3.7 4.7 8.4 2.1 1.08 .60 1.54 3.30 12.7
01-02 IND 28 28 31.1 .562 .333 .823 2.7 5.1 7.9 1.8 .86 .43 1.46 3.10 15.1
01-02 -- 76 75 29.8 .499 .429 .775 3.3 4.9 8.2 2.0 1.00 .54 1.51 3.20 13.6
02-03 IND 73 72 31.1 .493 .313 .818 2.5 5.7 8.3 2.6 .89 .59 1.62 2.80 13.1
03-04 SAC 72 53 36.4 .510 .316 .778 2.7 7.7 10.3 4.3 .94 1.19 2.00 3.40 14.1
04-05 SAC 56 56 37.3 .524 .263 .812 2.5 6.8 9.3 3.9 1.23 1.21 1.46 3.20 15.6
05-06 SAC 79 79 37.0 .495 .386 .828 1.5 6.2 7.8 4.7 .77 .78 2.28 3.00 15.0
Career 506 384 29.7 .497 .345 .794 2.3 5.4 7.8 2.8 .80 .70 1.57 2.90 12.3
Playoff 38 21 27.6 .489 .125 .720 2.0 4.2 6.2 2.5 .68 .63 1.61 3.40 9.9
His production isnt close to his big *** contract. I HATE Miller. I wouldnt mind shipping him to the lakers for kwame brown or shipping him for someone we have to develope. He doesnt have to be a scorer. As long as he can rebound, block, and/or play solid defense i would be fine with him. Miller's scoring is solid but look at the rest of his stats other than assists (the only stat where he is the best center)
I think we'll see Miller used differently this year, to some extent, with the change of coaching. But he's not going to become a juggernaut defending machine. He just might revert to more of the way he played in Indiana with Musselman calling the shots and there is the one thing to keep in mind - He's 7 feet tall and TALL is the one thing you cannot teach.
We need a shotblocking presence and we sure could use more rebounds, but to act as though Kwame Brown would be an improvement is naive at best.
If you compare Brad's last year in Indiana to his performance last year, he's still better than what we thought we were going to get when we got him.
All this sudden hatred of Brad Miller gets pretty tiresome after a while. I wish we could go one TDOS without having to find someone to become the focus of all the fan angst.
Rockmeister
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I think there are better centers than Polynice and Causewell. I really do hope Brady gets traded. I'm sick of seeing his bitter beer face, not shooting the 15-18 foot jump shots when he is WIDE open and doesn't get off the ground when getting a rebound and he lets players go right around him as they drive to the basket. Are you saying that's what we should appreciate in Brad?
Wuster
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I've been as frustrated as anyone with Brad's deficiencies. They can be glaring. How he performs under Muss will be very interesting, assuming he isn't traded of course. VF's got it right. Be careful what you ask for Kings fans...
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I just don't see how trading Brad would make us better, excect in unrealistic scenarios. Man, some Kings fans sure do underrate their players. Brad is worth finding someone to compliment him more and do the things he doesn't. He needs to step it up, and I am willing to see what he can do under Muss' coaching.
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Burrito06
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Thanks VF, very well said.
Rockmeister
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Good luck with that wish.
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I dont understand why people think we hate Brad Miller just because we want him traded.
I personally don't hate him except im tired of watching layup after layup with Brad just standing there and spectating. I would rather have a center who averages 5 less points and plays defense and rebounds then a center who will get you 15 ppg and do nothing else.
I personally don't hate him except im tired of watching layup after layup with Brad just standing there and spectating. I would rather have a center who averages 5 less points and plays defense and rebounds then a center who will get you 15 ppg and do nothing else.
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Rockmeister
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Huh? Did you really read my post? Did I say anything that said that it makes you less of a fan in my post? No, it didn't.
Sac.Kings
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I'd try to keep Brad and get a defensive PF either next to him or as a 6th man. Brad is much more valuable than some of you give him credit for. He can pass and shoot the 3 which makes him a threat. He also gives space to Bonzi and Ron down low as he is a shooting threat from the outside. He may be a defensive liability, but if teamed with a defensive PF his weaknesses (defense, lack of effort) would be decreased.
Except that Dampier is an actual defensive prescence who rebounds, blocks and alters shots. Pretty good post-defender.
Saw that a lot from him during the playoffs. Ask any Mavs fan and they'll tell you similar.
Brad is not, and wasn't one much all year, only playing like that occasionally or sometimes. Certainly wasn't during the playoffs.
If Brad stays, we need TWO defensive bigs, getting rid of KT, and getting a decent back-up center at least. If he's gone, get a defensive center and a defensive PF.
And a back-up center, Potapenko behind Brad just isn't staying. I'd be totally shocked if so.
walker60
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Ya, Dampier does a really good job defending guys like Tim Duncan
...take at look at this year's playoffs...here's Duncan's line...32.3 ppg 11.7 boards 3.7 assists 2.57 blocks
Dampier stinks...he's a walking punchline for all of the NBA columnist's jokes. He loafs it half the time on defense, and he has no skills on offense. The Mavs went deep in the playoffs this year, but it didn't have much to do with Dampier. I think Shaq even said he knows its time to retire when he starts playing like Dampier.
Are you really comparing Miller and Dampier. Brad Miller is much better, and cheaper too. Not even in Cuban's wildest dreams would Petrie swap the two.
I don't understand why people have wanted to do get rid of Brad just so we can get some offensive stiff who can provide an extra block and two rebounds per game. Big deal. Just get a decent back up and we will have a really good rotation at the Center position.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Ya, Dampier does a really good job defending guys like Tim Duncan
32.3 ppg 11.7 boards 3.7 assists 2.57 blocks
Dampier stinks...he's a walking punchline for all of the NBA columnist's jokes. He loafs it half the time on defense, and he has no skills on offense. The Mavs went deep in the playoffs this year, but it didn't have much to do with Dampier. I think Shaq even said he knows its time to retire when he starts playing like Dampier.
Are you really comparing Miller and Dampier. Brad Miller is much better, and cheaper too. Not even in Cuban's wildest dreams would Petrie swap the two.
I don't understand why people have wanted to do get rid of Brad just so we can get some offensive stiff who can provide an extra block and two rebounds per game. Big deal. Just get a decent back up and we will have a really good rotation at the Center position.
Because that would be how you win in the NBA.
Name the "Top 10" jumpshooting soft on the galss and defensively center who has won a title?
While you are working on that, I can run off name after name of guys who coudln't do much else but block a shot and board who have won one. Why? because interior defense is the single most important trait a "big man" can provide. It is in fact the entire point and purpose of having a "big man". There is no special reason to have a slow footed tall jumpshooter on the floor. Might as well have a smaller, quicker one. But only a big man, a TRUE big man, can provide shotblocking and intimidation around the hoop. And without that ability to protect the basket, history says all the perimeter skills in the world are fools gold.
Which doesn't mean we dump Brad, a player of value, for nothing. That's juat a dumb move from a talent pool standpoint. But it is an open recognition that Erick Dampier, limited though he be, looks a helluva lot more like a title winning center than Brad Miller does, and indeed has been much closer to the top of the mountain.
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lol, agreed Brick.
nbrans
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Luc Longley.
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yep I agree with Brick
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Perhaps by the third title year, but a surprisingly (or not given his size) effective shotblocker in the earlier runs, and of course just a 20+min platoon player having his sizable *** covered by an obscure little rebounding/defensive maniac named Rodman.
nbrans
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Right, but then, there's Bill Cartwright as well, who couldn't block a shot to save his life. Obviously Cartwright and Longley had dirty work guys who compensated for their weaknesses in Horace Grant and Rodman (and it didn't hurt to be playing alongside two of the greatest players ever), but it's dangerous to say something like a jumpshooting nondefensive center can't work -- it can, as long as you have the right mix. The Kings don't have that yet and I have my doubts about Brad, but it doesn't mean Brad can't be part of the puzzle.
