I know it's only the 3rd preseason game but...

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Kingsroots

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I don't understand or see why Louis Amundson gets so much more playing time, props from people (ie Sac Bee article), and mentions from the coach and or people on this forum when honestly his play compared to Justin Williams just doesn't stack up. Again, I know it's only three games however, I have watched all three games and Williams looks much more confident and poised out there than does Amundson. Amundson tonight looked awful in the minutes he had. Anyway, no big deal I guess considering neither may make the team. Just curious how other people compare the two.
 
whenever he catches the ball he is ready to give it up as if hes playing hot potato
he just doesnt want the ball in his hands on the offensive side

and when he does get it close enough to the basket, he freaks and just misses point blank layups
 
GOD, why is everyone quick to jump on the rook. how bout a starting 5 that didnt play a lick of defense and were outrebounded by the bench, outhustled by the bench. always some kind of whining about amundson, gets old.
 
Oh, the other props I remember Amundson getting were from one of the Malloof bros. back during the summer league I think. He said something like keep an eye out for this Amundson kid, we think he's going to be a special player in this league /paraphrasing. I makes me wonder sometimes when an owner of a team has a "crush" on a player if through some sort of osmosis and telekenesis the coach has to play him more. I know, i'm diving off a cliff here...
 
It's preseason. So I am very happy to watch coach to test what he has. Coach is testing Amundson's value.

Mussleman might think as 'Will I cut Amundson or not?' or 'If I keep Amundson, what role I have to assign to him?'

I hope he can find an answer. :)
 
mazzystar said:
GOD, why is everyone quick to jump on the rook. how bout a starting 5 that didnt play a lick of defense and were outrebounded by the bench, outhustled by the bench. always some kind of whining about amundson, gets old.
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First, this thread is seperate from the play by play thread or the grades thread for a reason. It has nothing to do with how the rest of the team played. We can talk about how bad the starters were in one of those threads. How bout it? Second, i'm not jumping on him big time, just pointing out my opinion that the hype surrounding him is not valid. Again, SO FAR, in 3 games, from what I have seen, he sucks.
 
mazzystar said:
GOD, why is everyone quick to jump on the rook. how bout a starting 5 that didnt play a lick of defense and were outrebounded by the bench, outhustled by the bench. always some kind of whining about amundson, gets old.
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WORD! But hey, you know what...it IS only the pre-season...and I think that Muss is giving Amundson his playing time so he can see how he does in consistent minutes...and I'm sure Justin Williams will see more action in the 5 games to come in the pre-season...not concerned at all...I agree with Williams making it over Amundson, btw. Remember(not to use another sport for an analogy), but the Raiders were 5-0 in the pre-season, and look at how GREAT they're doing now.:D Everyone is in pre-season form, no matter how great of shape they are in. So many new parts to the engine, gotta get in sync...remember last year??
 
Exactly. Preseason. No need to get everyone's panties in a bunch over amundsons supposed suckiness :D Hopefully as they play more games, the rotation will get more concrete and mates start to gel...
 
There's a very simple explanation for all this. It's our jobs as fans to opine on and root for these rookies. They represent diamonds in the rough and the next big thing. It's fun, these young guys are the focal unknowns of the preseason. But before we get all worked up it would be smart to look at all this in perspective. The Kings have a roster full of guaranteed contracts. The only real question is Woods, a 4 (5?) year veteran in the league who I gotta think is a favorite to make the roster over some unproven, undrafted rookie. Sac needs interior D, rebounding and athletecism, areas not addressed in the off-season hence Amundson and Williams. These guys were brought on to take a look at and motivate current roster players to achieve in these areas. Realistically though they have a very slight chance of making the team and even if they did their impact most likely won't warrant the attention they are getting right now.
 
Well, i kinda like Amundson, hes no Henry Bibby, but i think he has some game.

Williams i would like to see more of though, i think hes got something to prove, hopefully tommorow night he will get more play.
 
Kingsroots said:
I don't understand or see why Louis Amundson gets so much more playing time, props from people (ie Sac Bee article), and mentions from the coach and or people on this forum when honestly his play compared to Justin Williams just doesn't stack up. Again, I know it's only three games however, I have watched all three games and Williams looks much more confident and poised out there than does Amundson. Amundson tonight looked awful in the minutes he had. Anyway, no big deal I guess considering neither may make the team. Just curious how other people compare the two.
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sactown100 is that you?
 
I gotta agree with the topic starter.

Williams has shown he can contribute a lot more than Amundson, and yet he recieves a lot less hype, and now less minutes.
 
He may have seen less minutes because he's less at risk than Amundson. This is all being done to evaluate the guys on the fence; to see whether any of them are worth trying to keep.
 
LPKingsFan said:
sactown100 is that you?
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LOL. I just can't get too worked up over arguing whether Amundson or Williams is better. I just think its great that they are getting the benefit of a training camp with an NBA team.

They both seem to be hard working young players. I have to figure that Coach Muss and all the assistant coaches know what they are doing. They've seen the players in practice almost every day and there's still quite a few pre-season games to go.
 
VF21 said:
He may have seen less minutes because he's less at risk than Amundson. This is all being done to evaluate the guys on the fence; to see whether any of them are worth trying to keep.
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I agree with that too. They may be giving him every chance to give them a reason to not cut him.

BTW: Sorry you're feeling lousy VF. :( Get better soon. :)
 
Amundson has all the things you can't coach (Size, ball timing, hustle attitude, and defensive mind set) and none of the things you can (shooting, passing and basic understanding of the offense and his role in it)... in short he has HUGE potential and might be woth the gamble beceause of it. So some folks are excited to see big defender/blocker who gets out and leaves it all on the court: good, bad and ugly.
 
It's a preseason game with many new players in a new system with a new coaching staff playing against almost the same team with the same coaching staff which went deep into the PO last year. We are still playing the benchers more than the starters, it seems, in order to see who stays and who goes.

What kind of outcome did y'all expect? The have the system memorized like the back of their hand and know the timing on all the plays, etc, that they run. We're still trying to figure out what half our guys can do, much less all the variations on plays.

On the radio yesterday one of the assistant coaches said Muss has something like 120 plays in the playbook. Takes a while to learn all those (I think they have only learned a small portion of those so far) and learn how certain players will react in those situations.

Heard something else in the interview I thought was hilarious. In the regular season, Muss likes to take the opponents most-used play and teach our guys to defend it in practice. He then takes that play and runs it as the first play in the game AGAINST the other team, just to show them we know what they are going to be running offensively. :)

I still think both the undrafted guys should stay and a couple of the end-of-bench expirings/non-guaranteeds should go.
 
^^^ True. I think we should be prepared for an up and down season. It's trial and error; there will days where we execute brilliantly and other days where the execution is poor. No need to get too worked up about it... it's a learning process. Not sure how long it takes to actually learn a system, but it'll take time.

Having said that, it's somewhat ironic that Suns were a team that went from 29 wins (2004) to 62 wins (2005) with new a coach and system. They literally stormed the league and took everybody by surprise. But players like Nash, Marion and Amare can do that for you and expedite the learning process, I suppose.
 
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Well, i'm definetely not getting worked up over this, I can tell you that much. It's just that I don't see what the hype with him is about. Maybe I should have been more specific with this... His offensive game sucks. Even since summer league I knew he had tons of hussle and good defensive instincts. He absolutely looks lost and clumsy on offense though. He must be Dr. Dooms son or something with steel hands and clod hopper feet. Last night I had a pretty good laugh when on one play someone passed him the ball and he just totally plowed over one of the Suns. Meanwhile, the short amount that I have seen Williams it at least seems as though he has a tid bit of touch around the basket with the same approach hussling and playing defense. Since it is preseason, I only wanted others' opinions and comparisons such as mine between the two.
 
........... but shouldn't the starting 5 be playing together better?

And where is KT, he has become the biggest virtual PF in the league. For second game in a row he has totally disappeared. This time in 17 min had 2 pts, 2 reb, 2 TO's and 2 PF. 'Course, in 18 min SAR wasn't much better: 8 pts, 2 reb, 1 TO and 1 PF.

And Mo Taylor in 13 min did zilch.

But it was the run and gun 3-pt shooter Suns. As a team the Kings had only 4 steals and 2 blocks, far below Coach Muss expectations. Overall a bad preseason practice game. Artest had 0, yep ZERO, rebounds/steals/blocks!! So a team effort in the new dance, The Backstep!!
 
CruzDude said:
........... but shouldn't the starting 5 be playing together better?
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I was feeling the same way. But I think maybe we are underestimating what a huge change it is to have a new headcoach and almost all new assistant coaches who are instituting a whole different scheme on both ends of the floor.

So even our starters are trying to play with each other in a new system. I just don't think we can expect that to click into place right away.
 
bibbinator said:
Musselman obviously isn't working out. Who wants to start the first "Fire Musselman Now!!!" thread?









:rolleyes:
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And bibbinator wins the thread...and this nifty trophy.

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