Just read this on Espn Insider that they may be trying to trade off Thabeet because he doesn't fit where their going. I mean they already have Randolph and Gasol. I would love to see him come to the Kings. What do you guys think? Hes average 10.8 minutes 3.1 boards and 1.2 blocks a game. think about when he develops for a year and we give him 30+ minutes.
I heard Memphis is trying to Trade Thabeet
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Why would we want this guy? All I hear is how poorly he's playing. I've heard nothing good about him.
When the Kings played Memphis Grant and Jerry were talking, and said it's too early to call him a bust, but really it's not looking good.
I thought the knock on him is that he's too weak, kind of soft, and not very good defensively?
When the Kings played Memphis Grant and Jerry were talking, and said it's too early to call him a bust, but really it's not looking good.
I thought the knock on him is that he's too weak, kind of soft, and not very good defensively?
they're not going to get good value for him, even if was a 2nd pick. Other teams won't pay for their mistake. But if they really want him gone, giv'em Nocioni. 
He could help them in a playoff push. Memphis is under the cap, so we don't need matching salaries. Unfortunately, I think the cap for stupidity is once a year, and Memphis is maxed out.
I hear they're trying to Brewer from the Jazz for a first rounder.
He could help them in a playoff push. Memphis is under the cap, so we don't need matching salaries. Unfortunately, I think the cap for stupidity is once a year, and Memphis is maxed out. I hear they're trying to Brewer from the Jazz for a first rounder.
Numbers-wise he's actually playing okay, he's just not playing that much because Marc Gasol has been outstanding and needs to play 36 minutes a night.
Per-36 he's averaging 9.8 ppg 10.3 rpg .2 apg 4.0 bpg 63% Fg 57% FT. So he's blocking lots of shots and rebounding pretty well. The main caveat being he's averaging 6.8 fouls in that time as well.
Keep in mind he was supposed to be pretty raw coming in. He's 22 but took the game up at a late age and still has not fully grown into that body. The guy he's often compared to, Mutombo, didn't reach the NBA until he was 25. If they are considering giving up on this guy at all we should be following it VERY closely.
Per-36 he's averaging 9.8 ppg 10.3 rpg .2 apg 4.0 bpg 63% Fg 57% FT. So he's blocking lots of shots and rebounding pretty well. The main caveat being he's averaging 6.8 fouls in that time as well.
Keep in mind he was supposed to be pretty raw coming in. He's 22 but took the game up at a late age and still has not fully grown into that body. The guy he's often compared to, Mutombo, didn't reach the NBA until he was 25. If they are considering giving up on this guy at all we should be following it VERY closely.
I would love to make a trade for Thabeet, but man, looking at that roster. We cant really do much for them. They dont have any bad contracts.
The best I could come up with is:
Sacramento Sends
Kevin Martin
Hilton Armstrong
To The Grizzlies For
Hasheem Thabeet (2 years )
Steven Hunter ( Expiring )
Hamad Haddadi ( 2 years )
Why for the Kings
Two young bigs with potential (Thabeet and Haddadi) and an expiring. More big bodies to push Hawes and JT. If Thabeet developes into something than were set at that spot for years. If not, we've traded Kmart for a salary dump.
why for the Grizz
Kevin Martin gives them a huge scorer to add to the bench. And if they lose Gay in free agency at least they have something. Armstrong might even give them a little defense ( its been noted thats what there looking for )
The best I could come up with is:
Sacramento Sends
Kevin Martin
Hilton Armstrong
To The Grizzlies For
Hasheem Thabeet (2 years )
Steven Hunter ( Expiring )
Hamad Haddadi ( 2 years )
Why for the Kings
Two young bigs with potential (Thabeet and Haddadi) and an expiring. More big bodies to push Hawes and JT. If Thabeet developes into something than were set at that spot for years. If not, we've traded Kmart for a salary dump.
why for the Grizz
Kevin Martin gives them a huge scorer to add to the bench. And if they lose Gay in free agency at least they have something. Armstrong might even give them a little defense ( its been noted thats what there looking for )
I don't mind Thabeet coming over because I'm all for being patient and waiting for the team to mature and develop. What's another developing piece right?
The community as a whole are already trying tear this team up, and move pieces here and there. It also looks like the community wants an instant resolution at the C/PF spots.
Will Kings fans be patient enough to wait for Thabeet to prove himself?
The community as a whole are already trying tear this team up, and move pieces here and there. It also looks like the community wants an instant resolution at the C/PF spots.
Will Kings fans be patient enough to wait for Thabeet to prove himself?
Do it in a second. But not for Kevin please. As much as I have pioneered the 2-20pt scorers in the backcourt does not work idea, Kevin has to have more value than Thabeet right now. Even with Thabeet, we still would need a stud big inside and Kevin is the best piece for that. But if you got me to the point where the frontcourt was Stud + JT/Hawes + Thabeet + Brockman I would feel pretty good about having nearly everything covered. Throw in Donte's (since Noc probably goes) ability to play a little 4 and you are largely covered. And young covered too.
Given Westphal's desperate search for someone to shut down that middle, and complete lack fo concern about offense in doing so (Brockman anyone?) Thabeet could have a chance to really make an impact here in a way he can't behind Gasol and Randolph.
Given Westphal's desperate search for someone to shut down that middle, and complete lack fo concern about offense in doing so (Brockman anyone?) Thabeet could have a chance to really make an impact here in a way he can't behind Gasol and Randolph.
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They're not patient enough for the incoming ROY to prove himself at the end of games, they're not patient enough to see if JT and Haws are legit players or not, so NO, they won't be patient with Thabeet either.
That said, I think moving one of our extra guards/swingmen (beno, sergio, noc) for thabeet would be awesome for us moving forward. I enjoy the ups and downs of guys finding their way and hoping that it all comes together in a few years.
That said, I think moving one of our extra guards/swingmen (beno, sergio, noc) for thabeet would be awesome for us moving forward. I enjoy the ups and downs of guys finding their way and hoping that it all comes together in a few years.
To get Thabeet, do you think they'd want a Donte in return, or something similar to stay young, or maybe expiring?
Thabeet, and Haddadi for Thomas' expiring works on real gm
Trade ID #5397680
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5397680
Thabeet, and Haddadi for Thomas' expiring works on real gm
Trade ID #5397680
http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5397680
I should note BTW, that unfortunately this is a pretty slim rumor. A Chad Ford rumor. In which he pretty much says that Thabeet doesn't fit their current plans, and he believes he could be had if a team offered up a veteran presence. Not even some shaky source, just Chad's belief. And the belief is that the Grizzlies, who are amusingly win now in an attempt to make the playoffs and double their fanbase to 6, will trade him in order to get some more immediate veteran defensive help. Unfortunately we are one of the last places you would go to find veteran defensive help, especially if we are talking big men. Does Hilton count? Little Kenny and his ender? The Noc as good defender fallacy? Might have to get a third team involved if we were serious. And if he's even available -- at the start of the season the Grizzlies' owner was pretty fiercely in Thabeet's corner and not interested in any of this stuff. Would like to hear something more than Ford's "belief" that that has changed.
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I like this, and I think the Grizz would want Sergio more than Beno anyways. This might not be enough to get it done- obviously Thabeet has some value, and half of a mediocre rookie season isn't going to hurt it too much since everyone knew Thabeet was a long-term project. We might have to throw in a 2nd round pick or another player.
The stats are deceiving. He isn't a very good defender and he has already shown us this in college. People said because it was because he was playing against smaller and faster opponents, well here he is in the NBA and the same is happening. He's just not very good, and I don't want him playing for the kings.
Um, he was an absolutely dominant defender in college, and the only people who thought otherwise where fools who only watched 2 or 3 cherry picked games to discover that he would not be a good matchup against Al Harrington or somebody. It is possible I suppose that all the college coaches he played against got it wrong while voting him 2x College DPOY, but I doubt it.
Whether he will be in the pros is yet to be seen, but he's already shown the shotblocking translates, and there's no sign the rebounding is going to be a big issue. Love to see what Westphal would do with such a raw potential weapon. He's found uses for anything and everything in the tool shed this season. And Thabeet would fit right in with the youth on this team.
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Maybe we can get Utah involved and have them move Kirilenko.
Marko Jaric is still on Memphis payroll for another year, but is playing w/ Real Madrid.
Utah:
Out: Kirilinko 16.5M
Brewer 2.7M
In: Jaric 7.5M
Thomas 8.8M
Rodiriguez 1.8M
Memphis pick from LAL.
Memphis:
In: Kirilinko
Brewer
Out: Thabeet 4.5M
Jaric
Hunter 3.7M
Haddadi 1.6M
1st round pick x2 (Denver and LAL)
Kings:
Out: Thomas
Rodriguez
In: Thabeet
Hunter
Haddadi
Memphis 1st round from Denver
Marko Jaric is still on Memphis payroll for another year, but is playing w/ Real Madrid.
Utah:
Out: Kirilinko 16.5M
Brewer 2.7M
In: Jaric 7.5M
Thomas 8.8M
Rodiriguez 1.8M
Memphis pick from LAL.
Memphis:
In: Kirilinko
Brewer
Out: Thabeet 4.5M
Jaric
Hunter 3.7M
Haddadi 1.6M
1st round pick x2 (Denver and LAL)
Kings:
Out: Thomas
Rodriguez
In: Thabeet
Hunter
Haddadi
Memphis 1st round from Denver
Jaric is playing in Spain. His cotract was bought out by Memphis so you cannot include him in any trades.
In response to the opening post, I would absolutely be for this trade. It will take 2-3 years for Thabeet to develop but I am willing to wait for a 7'2 athletic shotblocking giant to come around. He has the potential to be the next Dikembe Mutambo and I would be perfectly fine with that thanks.
In response to the opening post, I would absolutely be for this trade. It will take 2-3 years for Thabeet to develop but I am willing to wait for a 7'2 athletic shotblocking giant to come around. He has the potential to be the next Dikembe Mutambo and I would be perfectly fine with that thanks.
Yeah at some point you have to ask yourself if its your eyes deceiving that are deceiving you. The college numbers say he was good, he was the best player on a Final 4 team, he won DPOY, he was co-Big East Player of the Year.
Maybe he's looked out of place this year...but that was really to be expected. Mutombo was gangly and his game looked ugly, but he still racked up DPOY after DPOY. I doubt Thabeet can be that good, but he's playing well this year and Memphis is playing well with him on the court.
Maybe he's looked out of place this year...but that was really to be expected. Mutombo was gangly and his game looked ugly, but he still racked up DPOY after DPOY. I doubt Thabeet can be that good, but he's playing well this year and Memphis is playing well with him on the court.