I can't wait for the lockout.

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I dont care how much i like NBA basketball, i can't wait for the lockout. Because, Stern needs to know his place. First and foremost, the NBA players union should be allowed oversight in any and all NBA matters, including and not limited to any allegation past or present without statute of limitation. The whole Judge Dredd thing isn't going to fly anymore, and i think this lockout will determine the direction of NBA basketball more than ever before. NBA players should lockout for as long as possible in order for maximum leverage and maximum return. The owners each have 300+million dollar teams, but if there is no such thing as NBA basketball, the owners have nothing. Stern would fall out of favor with the government....FAST...and within 1 year he would loose his job as Commissioner because he can't control his players anymore. Once Stern is gone, we find the keymaker, then we find the architect, and then only you can walk through that door....
 
BMiller52 said:
What lockout? I haven't heard anything about a lock out.
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The voices in FakeInjury's head don't always make sense, but he listens to them anyway.

There's always talk of lockouts but there's been nothing said recently, especially with the economy the way it is, to substantiate that either side would want one.

I think we've got a lot of other stuff to worry about - like falling meteors and invasions from planet Zirion AND the wrath of Ooga Booga - that has a much greater chance of happening.

;)
 
dont forget the boogie man and the monsters under your bed... there are more important things to worry about in this post-bush world.... paying scrubs like beno and mikki moore mle money is not one of them. and sice i dont pay the players myself i couldnt careless what stern does.
 
Every major sport that has gone through a lock out has taken years to recover. Personally, I'm not really crying over players making millions upon millions bouncing a ball (some doing waving towels) but even though you do have a point, it would be madness to wish for this. I'd hate to miss a year of LeBron or CP3 in his prime.
 
Oprostaj said:
Every major sport that has gone through a lock out has taken years to recover. Personally, I'm not really crying over players making millions upon millions bouncing a ball (some doing waving towels) but even though you do have a point, it would be madness to wish for this. I'd hate to miss a year of LeBron or CP3 in his prime.
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And there is where the leverage lies. If a player like CP3 or LBJ are willing to sacrifice, the public would immediately side with their plight. Stern doesn't get his 1 billion dollars annually and it would cascade into a situation where Stern would be asked to resign. I think that its possible that the marquee 2010' free agents made sure to be FA that year because they don't want to be under contract during/after the lockout, because THERE WILL BE A LOCKOUT. The players should first assume control of the NBA, then they will control the owners. Absolute power currupts David Stern absolutely. If you disagree, just reply Heil Stern, mine Furor!
 
FakeInjury said:
If you disagree, just reply Heil Stern, mine Furor!
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You know, if you are really thinking that referring to Nazis when addressing Stern is garnering you points, I think you have more than one screw loose.

And at least get it right with the German - "mine furor" (what, are you angry???) is not the same as "mein Führer".... :rolleyes:
 
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Tony Kornheiser once said that the New York Post's byline should be "We Occasionally Print in English." I sometimes think that should be FakeInjury's member title...

FakeInjury: Occasionally posts in English
 
Yikes.

First, FakeInjury is referring to a point in two years, when the NBA's labor contract will be re-negotiated, here's a Yahoo sports article snippet:

WASHINGTON (AP)—Commissioner David Stern says the NBA and union might have to make “some adjustments” to the labor contract when it expires in two years, but he foresees no “doomsday scenario” for the league because of the current economic crisis.

Agent David Falk predicted to The New York Times that the next round of talks will be “very, very extreme,” and owners could shut down the league for a year or two if the players don’t agree to the owners’ demands.
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Whole article at: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ap-nbafinances-stern&prov=ap&type=lgns

Second, there are two kinds of work stoppages in sports leagues, the "Lockout" which occurs when the owners stop work during contract talks, and the "Strike" which occurs when the players stop work.

Third, I'm a little unclear why someone would want a work stoppage.

Additionally, Major League Baseball has the strongest players union, and baseball's choices in management are the reflection of what the labor union has wanted over the last 10 years. Lax substance testing? check. Large/unlimited guaranteed contracts? check. Player's union has made these things possible in MLB.

The NBA's labor contract re-negotiation provides an opportunity for the league to address some of it's issues. In the past they agreed to set rookie salaries, no more huge contracts for unproven rookies, no hold outs, etc. (The NFL does this the hard way to this day). So, there can be very constructive changes that come out of contract re-negotiation.

I would like to see some sort of compromise on guaranteed salaries, Right now, NBA teams are forced into paying a huge sum for an extended period of time for their star. And then that counts against their salary cap for the duration, even if that star gets injured or seriously underperforms etc, essentially damaging that team for 5-6 years (Webber contract is a great example of this). Its not the player's fault for taking the money, things beyond everyone's control can and do happen. I'd like to see shorter guaranteed contracts, or partially guaranteed (sign for 5 years at 10 million a year, 5 million a year guaranteed).
 
Stern was indirectly responsible for sweeping the kings under the rug, and Karma has finally cought up with him in the form of a lockout. And when it happens, he can't say he doesn't deserve it.
 
FWIW, Hunter and Stern will begin talks this summer towards a new collective bargaining agreement. I think something can get done but the rumors of what changes will be made don't make sense.

For one, they are talking about shedding the MLE. That's a terrible idea. The best thing about the lockout of '98 was that they re-established a middle class. They got max salaries and raised the minimum wage. That, coupled with the MLE, brought the have's and have not's closer.

Now, they are talking about the reverse. They are talking about not only getting rid of the MLE but of making the max higher. That's just stupid. It doesn't solve anything as it just takes money out of one pocket and puts it in another.

This won't keep Kobe or Lebron from going to Europe as they become free agents before the collective bargaining agreement expires. That's about the only sense that raising the max makes and that's null and void. Besides, going to Europe is just a rumor that never would happen.

Now, I do see where owners don't like the MLE in that in order to keep average players from bolting, they have to outbid the MLE instead of just outbidding the $1 million cap exception like in the old days. But to remedy that, I would just suggest lowering the MLE and make it a flat $4 million regardless of where the cap stands.

Also, there should be a provision that allows owners to whack one guaranteed contract every other year. A giveback to the players would be that they could only lose their contract provided they have already played 3 years of it.

Imagine that. Peja has played 3 years for the Hornets so he would be eligible for whacking if that rule were hypothetically in effect this year. They would not only save the $14 million he makes but with a lux tax payout plus not having to pay a dollar for dollar tax, Shinn would save $25 million this year.

The Kings would save $8 million by shedding Kenny Thomas.

The Jazz would avoid the tax by getting rid of Kirilenko. Another $20 million plus in savings.

Not only that but deserving players would benefit. Due to massive contracts to undeserving players, guys who would usually get the MLE in free agency now have to settle for less or even the minimum since owners can't afford to pay anyone else if they want to avoid the tax. Use my hypothetical 3 year and out rule and those free agents would make their money back and would actually contribute on the floor.
 
A lockout would be devastating. As Kings fans we really lucked out that the last lockout was followed by the greatest period of success by our franchise during the Sacramento era. You do this with the Kings in their current state and I'm not sure it wouldn't be the end of the franchise in Sacramento.
 
VF21 said:
The voices in FakeInjury's head don't always make sense, but he listens to them anyway.

There's always talk of lockouts but there's been nothing said recently, especially with the economy the way it is, to substantiate that either side would want one.

I think we've got a lot of other stuff to worry about - like falling meteors and invasions from planet Zirion AND the wrath of Ooga Booga - that has a much greater chance of happening.

;)
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lol yeah I haven't heard of anything about a lockout lately so I didn't get what he was referring to. I can see why the players and the owners might both want some adjustments with the CBA but a lockout wouldn't help either side. I think you're right though, we don't have anything to worry about at the moment.
 
FakeInjury said:
Stern was indirectly responsible for sweeping the kings under the rug, and Karma has finally cought up with him in the form of a lockout. And when it happens, he can't say he doesn't deserve it.
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I guess the explaination by FifthMookie just whistled right on by your brain. If there is a lockout, it will be called by the league and not the players. If the players decide not to play, then its called a players strike. Got it? Its doubtful at this point that either one will happen. Sorry to rain on your parade.
 
Warhawk said:
You know, if you are really thinking that referring to Nazis when addressing Stern is garnering you points, I think you have more than one screw loose.

And at least get it right with the German - "mine furor" (what, are you angry???) is not the same as "mein Führer".... :rolleyes:
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Well, a little off topic I suppose, but this is a classic example of Godwin's Law.
"As [an internet] discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."
 
And this is VF21's Law on Thread Closures:

When a thread gets to the point where it is about Nazis or conspiracy theories (except for what has been designated the conspirary theory thread), it has ceased to be relevant to Kings fans.
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When you add in the "FakeInjury correllary to VF21's Law on Thread Closures," I have no choice.
 
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