I am disappointed.

[Chupacabra]

And who exactly would've given us that all star talent in exchange for Kevin?

It doesnt matter. We didnt get it. FAIL. If you cant get that kind of value then you dont trade him.

 

[Bricklayer]

It doesnt matter. We didnt get it. FAIL. If you cant get that kind of value then you dont trade him.

We're better off without him and with Landry. Now if we could get more and settled for Landry, then sure, bad trade. But if the market was soft and we could not get more, then we did well. We got better, and apparently about as much better as we could get.

You are apparently clinging to an unrealistic appraisal of how much Kevin could bring back. Teams just weren't that high on him. Didn't like the injuries, didn't like the contract, didn't like the defense. And I'll say this too: while Kevin is the better talent if you don't take into account fit, Carl Landry has been a better player than Kevin this season by just about any standard, numbers, impact, or anything in between. And he's certainly a better fit for us both by position and personality. Not to mention being much cheaper.

Landry Age:26 Contract: $3,000,000
27.2min 16.1pts (.547 FG% .000 3pt% .839 FT%) 5.5reb 0.8ast 0.5stl 0.9blk 1.6TO
Martin Age:27 Contract: $10,800,000
35.2min 19.8pts (.398 FG% .355 3pt% .819 FT%) 4.3reb 2.6ast 1.0stl 0.2blk 1.6TO

 

[djsnaz]

^^^great post...

 

[s2kinteg916]

Petrie is better at drafting players. Look at his recent history for signing/trading players:

1/11/10 - Acquires Hilton Armstrong from NO for a 2016 2nd-round pick + cash
6/25/09 - Trades the 31st pick in the 2009 draft for Sergio + 38th pick
2/19/09 - Trades Shelden Williams to MN for a 2014 2nd-round pick
2/18/09 - Trades John Salmons & Brad Miller for Ike Diogu, Andres Nocioni, Cedric Simmons, Drew Gooden
2/17/09 - Acquires Sam Cassell from Boston for a 2015 2nd-round pick
8/14/08 - Trades Ron Artest & Sean Singletary for Donte Green, Bobby Jackson, 2009 1st-round pick
2/16/08 - Trades Mike Bibby for Shelden Williams, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Johnson, Tyronn Lue, 2008 2nd-round pick

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8/14/08 - Trades Ron Artest & Sean Singletary for Donte Green, Bobby Jackson, 2009 1st-round pick

Ron Artest < Donte Green + Omri Casspi..

Seems pretty good to me.... casspi didnt fall from the heavens..... we had to make moves to get him.


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I dont see what all this crying is about.

We have about 15 million? Does a name like Carlos Boozer ring a bell........ Under the radar and low value?

If anyone thinks amare s is coming to the kings u have to be kidding yourself. They would rather retire than play for the kings. While i love it here the big stars dont come to sacramento. We have all these made up wants but come on .... reality is reality. We barely get televised games let alone players to be televised.

Tyreke
SG - Who Cares
Casspi/Donte
Landry
Boozer

Beno
Casspi/Donte
JT
Hawes
2010 Draft Pick

So let me do some math here.

Most of the players in next year second team were starters in this years lineup....

 

[Warhawk]

Landry Age:26 Contract: $3,000,000
27.2min 16.1pts (.547 FG% .000 3pt% .839 FT%) 5.5reb 0.8ast 0.5stl 0.9blk 1.6TO

Another big man who doesn't shoot threes? I like it. Get in the paint, big man.

 

[s2kinteg916]

My biggest dissapointment was we couldnt get rid of noch's contract...

 

[steelevt]

We're better off without him and with Landry. Now if we could get more and settled for Landry, then sure, bad trade. But if the market was soft and we could not get more, then we did well. We got better, and apparently about as much better as we could get.

You are apparently clinging to an unrealistic appraisal of how much Kevin could bring back. Teams just weren't that high on him. Didn't like the injuries, didn't like the contract, didn't like the defense. And I'll say this too: while Kevin is the better talent if you don't take into account fit, Carl Landry has been a better player than Kevin this season by just about any standard, numbers, impact, or anything in between. And he's certainly a better fit for us both by position and personality. Not to mention being much cheaper.

Landry Age:26 Contract: $3,000,000
27.2min 16.1pts (.547 FG% .000 3pt% .839 FT%) 5.5reb 0.8ast 0.5stl 0.9blk 1.6TO
Martin Age:27 Contract: $10,800,000
35.2min 19.8pts (.398 FG% .355 3pt% .819 FT%) 4.3reb 2.6ast 1.0stl 0.2blk 1.6TO

a couple things i agree with and dont agree with. if we cold have gotten more and settled for landry, its a bad trade. but no one knows what we could have gotten for sure, so for now, it saves us money and still has to possibility to be a good/great trade depending on FA. if the fact that landry fits better and helps the team improve, its at minimum a good trade. now for the stats, its a bit conceiving. you are comparing one of martins worse seasons, coming off an injury to landrys best season. of course its gonna look good in landry's favor. theres 2 ways of looking at it. landry is on the way up and martin is declining so we win. or you are skewing the stats in favor of your argument. again we cant know right now. all trades do take time for the results to matter. thats why i dont really like grades right after a trade. im sure the artest trade for bjax, greene and the pick seemed ok at best at the time. but man did we make out like bandits. also on the landry salary. its great getting him and only paying him 3mil. but after next season, hes going to want a raise. if we get him for a good/fair price. it will make things even better, but if we over pay or lose him...

 

[Grawlix]

In comparison to the other teams interested in Martin, Houston gave the Kings the best deal we could have asked for.

Really, who was available from the teams interested in Kmart? An aging Ray Allen, Mark Cuban's garbage, Jose Calderon?

Carl Landry is not an all-star, but with the team's deficiency in the post, we got the best deal available to fit our needs. Plus, we got extra cap room to boot.

Good trade? Debatable. Best trade for the Kings at this particular moment? Yes.

 

[Rookie]

aall trades do take time for the results to matter. thats why i dont really like grades right after a trade.

If you're going to put a grade on a trade you have to give it now with what you know, not later. Decision are base on what you know at the time not what you know in the future.

 

[Kingstime]

My biggest dissapointment was we couldnt get rid of noch's contract...

Thats my only problem with the trade deadline deals, I wish somebody would take him. I'm eagerly anticipating the day when Cassipi and Greene can share the 3 without worrying about Nocioni.

Anyways like what most of the posters think Kmart is addition by subtraction. Sure we didn't trade him for Amare or Bosh but what we did trade him for was a young hard working talented PF who is a 4th quarter scoring machine. He will catch a Tyreke assist and slam it down without thinking twice, doesn't use annoying extra dribbles, he keeps it simple. This team could use alot more simple

Us not getting a big is not that big of a deal, this season is shot anyways might as well just look for the most NBA ready big coming in the draft. As fans we should all sit back and enjoy the team we have building right before our eyes, alot of hard working confident talented guys we got here.

 

[sidney]

Thats my only problem with the trade deadline deals, I wish somebody would take him. I'm eagerly anticipating the day when Cassipi and Greene can share the 3 without worrying about Nocioni.

I think that day is probably now (or very soon) and we'll move on and not worry about his playing time. Word coming out was that they were trying to trade Nocioni and considering the reasons they traded Kevin I'm sure they did. It's going to be VERY difficult to trade him at this point with his age, declining stats, and 2+ contract years.

Our next best chance is summer of 2011 when he is an expiring contract. He's our new dead weight KT contract.

 

[JB_kings]

One of the most common reasons for a trade is overlapping or not conducive talent. When you have a overabundance of a certain type of talent its easy to be made better by trading it away even for lesser talent. That is what i feel happened with this trade. The quality of player we traded away was not equal to what we received, even though the talent we received is a better fit for this team.

What Kevin brings is 25 ppg providing he is the first and main scoring option. When he is not the focus of the offense, he is less valuable.

 

[steelevt]

If you're going to put a grade on a trade you have to give it now with what you know, not later. Decision are base on what you know at the time not what you know in the future.

basing grades on the present facts is true, but its not my point. my point is that the grade is useless. i brought up artest trade cuz at the time it seemed ok, but it worked out great in the end. the grade at the time didnt matter if it was a B or C. no one knows so whats the point