How to Get Amare Stoudemire?

Again, WOW. I can't believe how little people are willing to give-up to get Amare. I would give-up our high draft pick this year in a heart beat. Many high draft picks don't go anywhere. If they do, it is often 3-4 years before it does pan out.

Amare is 20/9 right now and may be heading into the prime of his career - the late twenties. I want some of that on our team and would be willing to entice the Suns with our very best parts to get it.
 
Bricklayer said:
As an aside, the papers this morning were saying that Amare talks got left off at Jason, both Shledon and Bobby's enders, and our #1 (ours, not the Houston pick). to which we thankfully said no.

I understand Phoenix's frustration here -- we are busily radically underselling Amare Stoudemire, who's young and been a first team all NBAer. But from our perspective, we've got a rebuild to attend to, and tearing out the heart of it to land Amare isn't going to get us home. If it costs JT, it costs JT -- as has been mentioned in the absolute best case pie in the sky dream scenario JT one day is as good as Amare. And that's just fantasyville in all liklihood. But not JT and Martin. Or JT and Hawes. Or JT and the high #1. Or any of those sorts of things. As is, an Amare trade would be more expensive than just what we gave up to get him, since it woul also end up costing us draft position this summer and knock us bakc into the middle of the lottery.
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Not just that, it would be taking on significant additional salary, which I doubt the Maloofs are too keen on. Remember, the Marion talks broke down because of a Miami demand that Banks be included. And Banks, IIRC, had a less-than-MLE deal for a couple more years. Amare has a player option after next year. That next year could be very expensive.
 
Warhawk said:
Not just that, it would be taking on significant additional salary, which I doubt the Maloofs are too keen on. Remember, the Marion talks broke down because of a Miami demand that Banks be included. And Banks, IIRC, had a less-than-MLE deal for a couple more years. Amare has a player option after next year. That next year could be very expensive.
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Well, we're going to have to pay somebody the money -- might as well pay a legit star. The financials always come down to this -- Amare is one of the players that every other team is HOPING to be able to be able to throw money at in 2010. If we go with our 2010 sign a free agent plan, we could hardly do much better. So if you could sneak him on in ahead of time, well so much the better. Its the cost in terms of personnel and assets that becomes problematic.
 
Brick help me out here. Alot of us really don't want to give up JT for Amare. I am one of them. I can't figure out why that is. Thing is the best we could hope for is for JT to be as good as Amare. So why am I feeling like I don't want to do this trade if it involves losing JT. Definatley not JT and the 1st pick.
 
Bricklayer said:
Well, we're going to have to pay somebody the money -- might as well pay a legit star. The financials always come down to this -- Amare is one of the players that every other team is HOPING to be able to be able to throw money at in 2010. If we go with our 2010 sign a free agent plan, we could hardly do much better. So if you could sneak him on in ahead of time, well so much the better. Its the cost in terms of personnel and assets that becomes problematic.
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Yeah, I know. It would also be nice to have the chip for a sign+trade, if it comes to that as well. I think I still just have such a hard time with him being a max salary guy.......
 
Entity said:
Brick help me out here. Alot of us really don't want to give up JT for Amare. I am one of them. I can't figure out why that is. Thing is the best we could hope for is for JT to be as good as Amare. So why am I feeling like I don't want to do this trade if it involves losing JT. Definatley not JT and the 1st pick.
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I'm not Brick, and I'm not answering for him, but I would do it for the 1st pick. I would do it for JT. I would not do it for both, either. Amare is better than who we'd be getting with the first pick. JT would be good insurance to keep should Amare walk after his contract. If we can throw in Miller/KT/pick for Amare (I haven't checked the numbers, so I'm sure it doesn't work), then I say we do it. Why would the Suns balk? They have a chance at a top 3 pick, we rent an all-star with a chance to get him to stay long term.
 
KevinSalvadori said:
The question, really, is this- would you want THIS team?

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I, certainly, would like this team. But I understand the hesitation of others.
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Essentially, it looks like we're giving up:

Miller, Salmons, Thompson, KT, Shelden, and Douby

to get:

Amare, Finley, Rose, Jeffries, J. James

The way I see this is that Miller, Salmons, JT, and Amare are the value players in the deal, and everybody else is a salary piece.

As far as salary pieces go, we do lose. KT, Shelden and Douby are at a prorated $12.5M this year (so about $5M) and $8.8M (KT alone) for next. Finley, Rose, Jeffries and James are at about $22M this year (so about $9M). On top of that, with every player option certain except for Finley's $2.5M next year, we'd owe $13-15.5M next year (James, Jeffries, Finley) and $6.9M the year after that (Jeffries). That's a net cost in dead contracts of $15-17.5M, more or less.

For that cost, we send out three starters for one better guy, but a guy who could walk after 1.5 years and leave us with nothing. I wouldn't go for it if we send out our #1 pick. If we got a pick or two, even low ones, that could sway me the other direction. With no picks involved, I'd probably say no thanks, because I'm not in love with Amare.
 
The team most capable of satisfying the Suns' desires -- with a combination of cap relief, young talent and a good draft pick -- might actually be Sacramento.

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For two reasons:
1. Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley has held firm to his recent pronouncement that the Suns aren't getting the player they lust for: Memphis swingman Rudy Gay.
2. The Kings could move to the top of the list if they were willing to part with rookie forward Jason Thompson, their two biggest expiring contracts (Bobby Jackson and Shelden Williams) and what will almost certainly be a top-five pick in June.
But the Kings aren't willing. Not to part with all that. Not yet, anyway.
Although it has talked with the Suns, Sacramento appears more focused on trying to move center Brad Miller before contemplating anything else, while also continuing to field proposals for in-demand swingman John Salmons.
"We looked at it," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof told ESPN.com when asked about Stoudemire. "Never say never, but right now, no."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeTalk-090216
 
Don't forget Amare has had the benefit of playing with pgs that averaged over 8 assist every year he has been in the league. What would Jason Thompson's numbers look like this season had he played with a pg like that?
 
i agree we can't give up thompson and are 1 pick i would do hawes are #1 and jackson and sheldon because imagine a lineup w/ amare, jason and kmart right there could boost us to maybe a playoff spot next year. if it dosn't happen that sucks but if they move miller i'll be happy.
 
I would trade anything except our top 3 pick, KMart, and JT for Amare.

Miller, Salmons, Houston's pick, Beno, Douby, Sheldon, Garcia
for
Amare, Barnes, And Barbosa
 
Bballkingsrock said:
I would trade anything except our top 3 pick, KMart, and JT for Amare.

Miller, Salmons, Houston's pick, Beno, Douby, Sheldon, Garcia
for
Amare, Barnes, And Barbosa
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Yeah, that would be great if the Suns would do it. I can't imagine they would. Basically, it is us taking their best player in return for our "undesirables."

Would you give-up Kmart for another teams "undesirables?"

If you want a 4 time All-star who is entering the prime of his career you are going to have to pony-up (unless you are the Lakers :rolleyes:).
 
At this point, I'd throw in Martin but not Thompson.

Without giving up either JT or KM, the Kings will not get a lot of value.
 
As 2010 is going to be a big FA year I can see a lot of our "junk" becoming a lot more enticing. Would you give a guy up that does not fit with your team for the cap space to sign someone that will?

I would... That's why our "junk" is other peoples diamonds.
 
kupman said:
Yeah, that would be great if the Suns would do it. I can't imagine they would. Basically, it is us taking their best player in return for our "undesirables."

Would you give-up Kmart for another teams "undesirables?"

If you want a 4 time All-star who is entering the prime of his career you are going to have to pony-up (unless you are the Lakers :rolleyes:).
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That's the problem. He's entering his prime now. If you don't have pieces around now to compete then either he leaves in 2010 or by the time you get pieces he's past his prime.
 
Section 101 said:
That's the problem. He's entering his prime now. If you don't have pieces around now to compete then either he leaves in 2010 or by the time you get pieces he's past his prime.
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Well I think IF we trade to get him, Petrie obviously is up to his old tricks, because we arent supposed to have money for FA's until after NEXT season, but IF we get Amare, he's obviously got a few more tricks up his sleaves to cut salary and bring in pieces to fit with him after THIS season.
 
Nothing new, but I didn't see this posted, so: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=TradeTalk-090216

I'll quote the part about the Kings:

The team most capable of satisfying the Suns' desires -- with a combination of cap relief, young talent and a good draft pick -- might actually be Sacramento.
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For two reasons:
1. Grizzlies owner Michael Heisley has held firm to his recent pronouncement that the Suns aren't getting the player they lust for: Memphis swingman Rudy Gay.
2. The Kings could move to the top of the list if they were willing to part with rookie forward Jason Thompson, their two biggest expiring contracts (Bobby Jackson and Shelden Williams) and what will almost certainly be a top-five pick in June.
But the Kings aren't willing. Not to part with all that. Not yet, anyway.
Although it has talked with the Suns, Sacramento appears more focused on trying to move center Brad Miller before contemplating anything else, while also continuing to field proposals for in-demand swingman John Salmons.
"We looked at it," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof told ESPN.com when asked about Stoudemire. "Never say never, but right now, no."
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Sounds like the Suns are leaning towards keeping Amare, according to Marc Stein:

There are suddenly strong signals emanating from the desert that the coaching change announced Monday by the Phoenix Suns will be the only big personnel change they make this week.

After the Suns spent several days taking and making phone calls on potential trades for Amare Stoudemire and Shaquille O'Neal, NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that Phoenix -- having received a series of underwhelming proposals for Stoudemire -- prefers now to leave its core intact for the rest of the season to see if new coach Alvin Gentry can do more with this group than the outgoing Terry Porter.

"I got the impression today that [the Suns] are standing pat," said one source with knowledge of the team's thinking.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3912108
 
LPKingsFan said:
Well, if we weren't going to get him, that's fine by me. Now, who wants good ol' Brad as a consolation prize?
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Damn you Mr. Steve Kerr, who makes Mr. Bush and Mr. McHale look smarter. Your bluffing has caused Mr. Miller to be totally ignored in the market. If we can't trade him by the deadline, this is all your fault.
 
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Good

Lets stop focusing on this injury prone semi star. He is not going anywhere. Now lets focus on getting Chris Bosh.
 
Steve Kerr bluffed the league and left a lot of good teams unable to make any moves by the trade deadline.

If the Suns continue their hot 140pts games, it'll be intriguing.





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