How to Get Amare Stoudemire?

Kmart should not be untouchable. In fact, he should be/is our best trade bait. I will even go so far as dealing Kmart and JT for Amare.

We need a center piece to build around and Amare fits the bill. He is a beast. A front court of Amare and Hawes has great potential and we would then have the hardest positions to fill set-up nicely. We can then go and find the smaller guys who are much easier to find.

Yes, I am quoting myself. :rolleyes:

But anywho, to finish my rebuild scenerio, we would still have the big expiring contracts of Miller and K-9 to get a top FA in 2010...perhaps Dwade (yeah dreaming a little).

I think we would be better if we had Amare and Dwade on this team.:D
 
There are a couple of similarities between Webber and Amare - both not wanting to defend centers, both being more offensive players than defensive players. If we had several more pieces to trade, then he would be interesting, but right now we'd be left with nothing but him, and that's not enough. He's definitely not a young Garnett who is a two-way player. Frankly, the whole thing scares me because this is just the sort of desperation move I can see the Maloofs making, all because of the short-term box office and not because of the longer term future of the franchise.
 
Yeah I'll second that. I'm not totally on the Amare bandwagon. I'm intrigued. He's shown flashes of dominance. But there's already some troubling injury history there (uncomfortably familiar as well) and a noticeable lack of effort on the defensive end. You don't want your best player to be a lazy defender. That sets a tone for the rest of the team. He is quite a special player on offense though. I wouldn't give up our pick this year, even if it is a bad draft, because we need young talent. I suppose anything else would be a net gain for our side, but I'm not nearly as enthusiastic about it as I would have been a couple years ago. Funny how that happens. As soon as a franchise type player is available there's enough questions about them to make you think twice.
 
This is how u get Amare Stoudemire:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a...rs_could_send_aldridge_and_bayless_for_amare/

I was thinking about Portland being an underdog in the Amare talks, and thought up something like this myself. If this is actually offered, I wouldn't be surprised to see this go down

(For those not clicking on the link, the rumored proposal is Aldridge, Bayless, and LaFrentz for Stoudamire.)

Wow. If you're Phoenix, you totally do that trade if Portland puts it on the table.

Then you turn around and send Bayless + salary to the Kings for Salmons. ;)
 
I really doubt Portland's actually putting that on the table. Seems like wishful thinking on Phoenix's part.
 
Sure, maybe Portland's not putting that on the table. But if we assume they are...(all contracts in millions)

Portland out:
Raef LaFrentz (12.7, exp.)
LaMarcus Aldridge (4.6, 1 yr + RFA)
Jerryd Bayless (2.0, 3 yr + RFA)
Total: 19.3

Phoenix out:
Amare Stoudemire (15.1, 1 yr + player opt.)
Leandro Barbosa (6.1, 2 yr + player opt.)
Total: 21.2

Sacramento out:
John Salmons (5.1, 1 yr + player opt.)
Shelden Williams (3.4, exp.)
Total: 8.5


Portland in:
Amare Stoudemire (15.1, 1 yr + player opt.)
Shelden Williams (3.4, exp.)
Total: 18.5

Phoenix in:
Raef LaFrentz (12.7, exp.)
LaMarcus Aldridge (4.6, 1 yr + RFA)
John Salmons (5.1, 1 yr + player opt.)
Total: 22.4

Sacramento in:
Jerryd Bayless (2.0, 3 yr + RFA)
Leandro Barbosa (6.1, 2 yr + player opt.)
Total: 8.1

Phoenix gets rid of Stoudemire and replaces him with Aldridge. Salmons moves Grant Hill to 6th man. Lineup: Nash, Richardson, Salmons, Aldridge, Shaq. Only problem in they're a bit thin at the point - would they be OK with just Dragic/Dee Brown backing up for now?

Portland gets Amare. Lineup: Blake/S-Rod, Roy, Batum/Outlaw, Amare, Oden.

In Sacramento the crowd goes wild, with all our PG problems solved. Bayless becomes our future point, Barbosa the 6th man, and Beno becomes trade bait. Garcia moves into the SF for now. Present lineup: Beno, Martin, Garcia, Thompson, Miller/Hawes.

It's too complicated. But it could actually work if Portland is willing to give up Bayless/Aldridge for Amare.
 
As Phoenix Suns owner Robert Sarver reaches out to other NBA owners and proposes his own trade deals for Amare Stoudemire, he could be undermining his franchise’s chance to get the best possible package for the All-Star forward, league sources said.

NBA executives say that Sarver has contacted team owners – including those of the Sacramento Kings and Memphis Grizzlies – in an attempt to broker a deal for Stoudemire. While the Suns’ basketball executives are discussing one possible package with teams, Sarver has, at times, appeared to be pursuing his own agenda.

Some teams believe this is a circumstance they can exploit, and suggest that Suns GM Steve Kerr and David Griffin, the franchise’s VP of basketball operations, have been compromised.

“It makes [the owner] look too motivated,” said one Western Conference GM who was aware of Sarver’s calls. “It makes them look desperate.”

As an Eastern Conference GM wondered: “What in the world are two owners going to come up with that the GMs haven’t already discussed?

“This is how bad deals happen.”

“As managing partner of the Suns, no difference from any CEO responsible for any company, you have responsibility for the ultimate results of an organization,” Sarver said by phone Wednesday morning. “And as such, when it comes to major decisions – basketball or business – I will become heavily involved just as I have been the last five years.”

Kerr and Griffin are engaged in discussions with multiple teams for Stoudemire, with Chicago, Golden State, Portland, Sacramento and Memphis and others seriously pursuing him. For the Suns to get the best possible package for Stoudemire, they need Stoudemire’s suitors to believe that they’re willing to let the trade deadline pass on Feb. 19 without moving him.

Mostly, Phoenix needs to avoid looking desperate. Yet Sarver – who has a reputation for being impulsive and overzealous – has left teams dubious of believing Kerr’s bluff that he doesn’t have to trade Stoudemire.

For the Suns to bring back a package for Stoudemire which makes more basketball than financial sense, sources say, they’ll have to move the contracts of Shaquille O’Neal or Leandro Barbosa.

So far, rival GMs insist there’s no market for O’Neal – that the balance of the $20 million owed him this season and the $20 million he’ll earn next season make him untradeable.

One Western Conference GM compared interest in O’Neal with “the GOP’s interest in the current stimulus package. None.”

Most Stoudemire suitors believe the Bulls have the chance to offer the best package, which could include the expiring contract of Drew Gooden, rapidly emerging forward Tyrus Thomas, Joakim Noah and possibly a draft pick. Bulls GM John Paxson recently had his assistant, director of player personnel Gar Forman, return to Chicago from the college scouting trail to pore over trade possibilities with him. The Bulls are clearly determined to land Stoudemire.

As for the Suns, they’re still at the center of the league’s deadline discussions because they have the biggest stars on the market. A year ago, the O’Neal-Shawn Marion trade was born out of Miami Heat owner Micky Arison’s conversations with Sarver. It was the Suns owner who brought the possibility of the trade to Kerr and ex-Suns coach Mike D’Antoni.

Some owners do include themselves in trade talks. Dallas’ Mark Cuban regularly does, but works closely with Mavericks GM Donnie Nelson. League sources believe Sarver has struggled with the idea that the Suns’ best deal for Stoudemire won’t come until they’re up against the Feb. 19 deadline. Teams are doubting his patience in the process. Opponents think he wants a trade done soon, and that could have dramatic consequences for a franchise that can’t afford to bungle this deal.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...?slug=aw-sunstrades021109&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

It seems they are desperate to get rid of Amare, as even the owner is talking to other owners. I hope the Kings exploit this to send Miller for Amare.
 
Wow just wow!

Thats just shows that the Suns hierarchy are not on the same page. The owner has been know to be a tight ***. He has sold how many 1st round draft picks in the last few years?

He is desperate to cut his payroll and save money, and I suspect that he would give Amare way for a package well below his true value. I still don't think we are in the game. We no doubt would want to get Amare but I doubt we have the pieces to get him. Well, let me rephrase that, we don't have the pieces that we are willing to give away that would be enough to get Amare.

I just hope, Maloofs never pull a stunt like this and go behind Petrie's back like Sarver has done to Kerr! Ouch!
 
Since the Suns are reported to want expirings, youth and picks the Kings can possibly come close.

Phoenix out/Sacramento in:

Stoudemire
Barbosa

Total Salary ~ $21,170,550


Sacramento out/Phoenix In:

Jackson
Williams
Moore
Salmons
Green
Houston Pick (if necessary)

Total Salary ~ $22,080,668

Phoenix this morning only had twelve players and it was reported that they had to add another player Friday do get to the league minimum, so they make a five for two without having to cut anyone.
 
still not potent enough of a deal. This is what it will take:

Salmons
Martin
Hawes
Greene

for

Amare
Barnes

Stoudamire carries a price tag much too high
 
Alright, looking around the league Phoenix seems to only have a few options. This all assumes Phoenix is looking for at least some expirings to ease their financial situation:

New York:

Amare/Barbosa for Marbury/Lee/Pick (not sure Knicks would take on Barbosa's deal)
Amare/Shaq for Marbury/pu pu platter (not sure Phoenix would do that)

Detroit:

Amare for Sheed/Amir Johnson

Chicago:

Amare for Gooden/Tyrus Thomas/Thabo/Simmons

Portland:

Amare for LaFrentz/Bayless (no way, IMO would Portland give up Aldridge)

Indiana could be a dark horse, but I'm not sure they'd want to take the tax hit next year.

And then, of course, you have the Kings:

Sacramento:

Amare for BJax/Mikki Moore/........

And then it's a question of whether you want to give up Justin Thompson or not. Looking at all these deals, I really think Justin Thompson would get the deal done. I'm sure the Kings want to include Hawes.

We'll see what happens.
 
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From what I'm hearing seems like Portland is really pushing the Aldridge-Bayless-LaFrentz combination. Pritchard's definitely a gamer, and I wouldn't be surprised if he threw in a first round pick just to sweeten the offer. They're really after Stoudemire. Injecting my personal opinion now, I think Aldridge is a little overrated anyway--he's a little soft, a very mediocre rebounder, an average defensive presence at best; essentially he's just an inside-outside offensive player, really. So I think this deal would be good for both sides.

If we were to get Amare, it probably would take both Jason Thompson and Spencer Hawes since we don't want to give up Kevin Martin. I'm pretty sure they don't want John Salmons' contract which expires at 2011, and he's probably past the age of players they would covet anyway--so suffice to say they're not enamored with him. We could probably unload KT's contract onto them, which expires at 2010, and maybe Mikki Moore and a 1st rounder as well. Mikki + KT+ Thompson + Hawes should be enticing, plus a 1st rounder. But Portland's deal is probably preferable
 
^I think Phoenix is pushing the Aldridge/Bayless/LaFrentz combination, not Portland.

I've got to think if Aldridge is off the table then Chicago is in the driver's seat. Phoenix will probably try to get Noah or a 1st added too.
 
Sacramento:

Amare for BJax/Mikki Moore/........

And then it's a question of whether you want to give up Justin Thompson or not. Looking at all these deals, I really think Justin Thompson would get the deal done. I'm sure the Kings want to include Hawes.

We'll see what happens.

As long as we can keep Jason, I have no problem giving up Justin :p

Anyway, I don't think I'd like the move if we give up Thompson. If Hawes isn't enough for them, how about throwing Greene or Brown in? Would that be enough for them?
 
As long as we can keep Jason, I have no problem giving up Justin :p

Anyway, I don't think I'd like the move if we give up Thompson. If Hawes isn't enough for them, how about throwing Greene or Brown in? Would that be enough for them?

lol. Wow. Long day.
 
League executives still believe Memphis can be a major factor should owner Michael Heisley relent on taking back the money on Stoudemire’s contract. Sacramento has made a series of overtures on Stoudemire – with discussions at the ownership level. Also, the Kings have the intriguing asset of a pick that could turn into the No. 1 selection in the June draft. The Suns are talking with multiple teams, but still haven’t been blown away with any offer for Stoudemire.League executives still believe Memphis can be a major factor should owner Michael Heisley relent on taking back the money on Stoudemire’s contract. Sacramento has made a series of overtures on Stoudemire – with discussions at the ownership level. Also, the Kings have the intriguing asset of a pick that could turn into the No. 1 selection in the June draft. The Suns are talking with multiple teams, but still haven’t been blown away with any offer for Stoudemire.
saw this in yahoo article

i bet the kings could get him for our 1st hawes jackson and probably salmons or maybe green instead of salmon and then we could ship salmons to griz for conely and warick

the a future lineup would be

conely
martin
? probably gracia
thompson
amare
 
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I hope we don't trade for him.


I agree. There's been alot of scuttlebutt from Phoenix about Amare. According a a member of the PHX media on Thursdays Kingstalk, Amare treats his job as a job. He just shows up works and goes home. He doesn't seem to want to get better. Hes happy with the staus quo and hasn't ever really spent much time with any teamates.


I'd pass.
 
I wouldn't mind trading for Amare as long as we still keep Martin. Amare might just be that player that will put the kings back on the radar. With the right pieces this could work out.
 
Updating this because I really don't think New York is in the mix:

Detroit:

Amare for Sheed/Amir Johnson

Chicago:

Amare for Gooden/Tyrus Thomas/Thabo/Simmons

Portland:

Amare for LaFrentz/Bayless (no way, IMO would Portland give up Aldridge)

Cleveland:

Newspapers are saying they're in the mix with something like:

Amare/Barbosa for Wally/Hickson/Verejao

And then, of course, you have the Kings:

Sacramento:

Amare for BJax/Mikki Moore/........

I honestly think that if Portland's not offering LaMarcus Aldridge and the Kings are willing to part with Thompson, Sacramento's in the driver's seat if Phoenix is thinking long term. If I were Phoenix, I'd rather have Jason Thompson as the young piece than Amir Johnson, Tyrus Thomas, or Hickson, and that's even before you consider the wild card of the draft pick, which I see no reason the Kings would have to include.

If Phoenix is looking short term for one last gasp, you'd probably rather have Gooden/Thomas or Sheed/Johnson for a playoff run than Mikki Moore/Thompson.

If both Phoenix and Sacramento is motivated to get this deal done I think the Kings are in really good position.
 
Ah. Thinking about this still further, I actually think one big potential obstacle for the Kings is that they're not going to want to pay the tax next year. Payroll next year is at $66 million. Take away Shareef (injury exception, or at least that's the hope) and Mikki, and payroll is around $53 million. Add in the draft picks and you're at $58 million. Add Amare and you're at $74 million. Since the tax level is probably around $70 million or lower next year, that's a big risk.

So then you have to look at clearing Salmons or someone else for expirings, which I'm sure the front office probably wouldn't want to do. I'd imagine this is going to go down to the wire as the Kings first try and convince Phoenix to take Brad and/or try and clear his deal, and assuming Phoenix hasn't gotten something better in the meantime, the Kings could then try and clear Salmons in order to get the Amare deal done.

Lots of moving parts.
 
Also, the Maloofs probably don't want to give up too much for Amare because they think there is a chance they will get Blake Griffin. Don't want to jinx it but there is a good chance. So if we can get a player like Blake for a rookie contract, it doesn't make sense to offer the entire bank for Amare.

I still still with, if we can get Amare for miller+Greene+pick or similar combo then yes. Would not give up JT in the deal.
 
lol. Wow. Long day.

OK that just proved my point.. You've got guys that can block shots in a zone, and can rebound on your mind.. *ahem* Thabeet ;) Thinking of Justin Williams much heh j/k man.

He did have a nice game today although notice how almost all his blocks came when he was guarding the rim in a zone? heh.. But definitely a nice game from Thabeet..

Griffin had a monster game too.
 
Ah. Thinking about this still further, I actually think one big potential obstacle for the Kings is that they're not going to want to pay the tax next year. Payroll next year is at $66 million. Take away Shareef (injury exception, or at least that's the hope) and Mikki, and payroll is around $53 million. Add in the draft picks and you're at $58 million. Add Amare and you're at $74 million. Since the tax level is probably around $70 million or lower next year, that's a big risk.

So then you have to look at clearing Salmons or someone else for expirings, which I'm sure the front office probably wouldn't want to do. I'd imagine this is going to go down to the wire as the Kings first try and convince Phoenix to take Brad and/or try and clear his deal, and assuming Phoenix hasn't gotten something better in the meantime, the Kings could then try and clear Salmons in order to get the Amare deal done.

Lots of moving parts.
I think we would need to include a pick or 2 but not our pick this year. I don't understand why people are reluctant to give up any of our young kids. Look, I love JT as much as anyone and I think we really got a nice player in him. But I don't understand why people are reluctant to trade him for Amare. Amare is an all-star. A perennial all-star. I think JT will never reach the level that Amare is at. At best JT is a 20/10 player. Thats at the very best. As of now, Amare is a 25/9 type player. A proven commodity.

I do agree with you that we are a pretty good chance to pull off this trade IF Phoenix's objective is to cut the salary. If we can get Amare for Moore/Bobby Jackson/JT or Hawes and Houston's first you take that in a heart beat.

Another deal I would be hoping to pull off is Beno and Douby for Stackhouse. Get out of Beno's contract and Stackhouse is virtually an expiring contract.

Sam Amick has mentioned that Maloofs don't want to take on any more salary in trades than they give away which makes things a bit more tricky but not impossible.

Amare might not be the greatest of fits for this team but he is an All-Star even if he just stays at his current productions, he will always be in high demand and always a tradeable assett.
 
I honestly think as far as an offer that could be put out that the suns would accept only Chicago and Sac have the assests to get it done, and to a lesser extent NYK and Portland do as well... It's really just up to what team is willing to give it up for him Seems like they want a lower draft pick + young prospect type player + expirings... Not sure how many will actually pay that much for him
 
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