How to Get Amare Stoudemire?

With O’Neal clogging the middle, Stoudemire has expressed frustration with a diminished offensive role. Stoudemire still flusters his GM and coach because of an unwillingness to commit to anything but scoring. Stoudemire’s scoring and rebounding averages have dropped this season, and he recently told Yahoo! Sports that he was struggling with an offense that features fewer pick-and-rolls for him, fewer touches in the low post.

“It is harder,” Stoudemire said. “When you’re in the flow, everything flows. When you’re not, sometimes it’s hard to get involved.”
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Amare is all about scoring. He doesn't impact the game when he's not scoring, and he even admits it.
 
I like Amare but his attitude seems like a big issue. I’m not willing to let go of either Jason or Spencer for him. And if we did trade either Jason or Spencer then we’d probably be looking for another PF/C in the draft because Amare will probably leave.

Also there’s other issues to Amare besides his attitude (which could become a really big problem) is he willing to play defense? Can he become second fiddle to another player? Do we have to anoint him the chosen one (“the man”) in order to see him happy?

But if the Suns are interested in Kenny Thomas, Brad, Mikki, Sheldon, Quincy, then fine, let’s do it.
 
amare stoudemire to the kings has the maloofs written all over it... we all know that the maloofs like to make a splash and get noticed.... if the kings can get amare, he would put the kings back on the nba maps....

i can see petrie swinging a trade for amare stoudemire.... the kings has a lot of pieces that the suns may want.... i can see petrie enticing the suns into a trade....

The kings trade bobby jackson (6 mil expiring contract), salmons (a vet with a reasonable salary) or mikki moore (another expiring contract) and a young replacement power forward in jason thompson and a first rounder (houston's pick) for amare...

the kings could then trade brad miller and kenny thomas for shawn marion and his expiring contract....

the kings new lineup....

PF Stoudamire
SF Marion
C Hawes
SG Martin
PG Udrich

the kings would still be in position to draft a top six pick for a point guard, like UCLA's jrue holiday.... the kings next year...

PF Stoudamire
SF Marion (re-signed) or Garcia
C Hawes
SG Martin
PG Holiday
 
I realllllly don't think Amare Stoudamire is what the Kings need. He is the pretty girl, the video games, the candy; he is distracting us from what we need to do which is build ourselves back up through the draft and maybe make some trades and free agent acquisitions to make our team better instantly when we already improve our team to a playoff team.
 
ockingsfan said:
amare stoudemire to the kings has the maloofs written all over it... we all know that the maloofs like to make a splash and get noticed.... if the kings can get amare, he would put the kings back on the nba maps....

i can see petrie swinging a trade for amare stoudemire.... the kings has a lot of pieces that the suns may want.... i can see petrie enticing the suns into a trade....

The kings trade bobby jackson (6 mil expiring contract), salmons (a vet with a reasonable salary) or mikki moore (another expiring contract) and a young replacement power forward in jason thompson and a first rounder (houston's pick) for amare...

the kings could then trade brad miller and kenny thomas for shawn marion and his expiring contract....

the kings new lineup....

PF Stoudamire
SF Marion
C Hawes
SG Martin
PG Udrich

the kings would still be in position to draft a top six pick for a point guard, like UCLA's jrue holiday.... the kings next year...

PF Stoudamire
SF Marion (re-signed) or Garcia
C Hawes
SG Martin
PG Holiday
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The first problem is that Amare is an All-star and it is EXTREMELY unlikely that Phoenix trade him to a Division rival. They wouldn't be keen on trading him to a team in the same conference, let alone in the same division.

Secondly, in Phoenix, Amare and Matrix didn't get along in the later years and its probably the main reason that Marion was traded for Shaq. One of Amare or Matrix had to go and the Suns chose to ship out Marion. Re-uniting the 2 together would be a disaster waiting to happen.
 
Amare is floundering in a regular offense with Nash as his PG. anybody care to think what would happen with Beno / 'insert PG we don't have here' throwing it to him. Amare maxed out with D'Antoni, and even then he was not a franchise player. Will not ever develop a defensive tenacity, that's just not who he is, and he will never settle for not being "the man". Combination that should take him far away from us if the Maloofs are interested in winning championships, not meaningless regular season games.

He will put up monster stats from time to time, but as teams like Spurs and Pistons have proven, you win with a steady defensive resolve and team basketball.

Or you can be like the Lakers and have the unstoppable player that scores 60 at will. Whatever works.
 
Since there are several indications that the Kings have been involved, I can imagine things getting to the point where the Kings offer BJax (expiring), Mikki (basically expiring), and Hawes for Amare.

I'm sure the Suns would then say, "We want JT and a pick."

Kings say, "No, thank you."

And here we are.

Question is, do you settle on giving up JT instead of Hawes but no pick if it will get it done?
 
nbrans said:
Since there are several indications that the Kings have been involved, I can imagine things getting to the point where the Kings offer BJax (expiring), Mikki (basically expiring), and Hawes for Amare.

I'm sure the Suns would then say, "We want JT and a pick."

Kings say, "No, thank you."

And here we are.

Question is, do you settle on giving up JT instead of Hawes but no pick if it will get it done?
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I'd give JT and Houston's pick.

Despite all of his flaws Amare is a sure thing. He is an all-star big and one of the best scorers at his position. Even if he is not a greatest of fits, he is a very tradeable assett down the road.

Mind you pairing Hawes and Amare is a frontline lacking in rebounding, and defence but you still do it. Amare would still be a very tradable assett if you needed to pull another trade down the track!
 
http://www.sacbee.com/sports/story/1612396.html


Looks like we are officially in the mix. Though it says trade is unlikely, at least it confirms the Kings are talking to the Suns. We all know how trades usually start of as "not gonna happen" and sometimes ends up happening.

It all depends on what else is available out there. Instead of Martin, what about Shelden+Douby+Bobby+Greene+rockets 1st rounder. That gives the suns the expiring, a young big that has potential and a 1st rounder.
 
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I doubt they want a pile of junk instead of Kevin. :p

Who knows, maybe we could get a thrid team involved -- the Cavs maybe with that Wally expiring. We send Brad to the Cavs, the Cavs send Wally to the Suns for financial relief, and then we add the candy to the expiring needed to get Amare.

Maybe. I am of two minds about such a move. I don't think Amare is really a winner anymore than Kevin, and put the two of them together it feels like the ultimate triumph of style over substance -- a pair of one dimensional pretty boys unconcerned with anything but their numbers and accolades, and by making the move mid-season you likely cost yourself a bunch of draft spots too.
 
eh... not enough minutes with Big Z, Brad, Ben, Varejao, JJ... I mean I could see them rotating, god knows Z needs rest, Ben plays PF anyway. Just doesn't make sense for Cleveland, doesn't put them over the top. Plus, they need SGs at this point, not big men. Who knows though, Ferry's crazy enough.
 
Bricklayer said:
Maybe. I am of two minds about such a move. I don't think Amare is really a winner anymore than Kevin, and put the two of them together it feels like the ultimate triumph of style over substance -- a pair of one dimensional pretty boys unconcerned with anything but their numbers and accolades, and by making the move mid-season you likely cost yourself a bunch of draft spots too.
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I agree that Amare is not the guy to lead the team to a championship, but he is a very good piece to the puzzle. If we can have Amare + Kevin on the team, we just need the last piece. The leader. It doesn't even really have to be a big timer like Lebron. For example, if we get a guy like Billups. Good leader, clutch, been there before.
 
I know that this report doesn't go with this thread, but I'm just gonna post it and see how others think about this.

Kings Unwilling To Deal Kevin Martin
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57151/20090210/kings_unwilling_to_deal_kevin_martin/#

This is stupid. Kings should put every player on the block.
GP gotta understand that we are not running for the playoff race or anything.
We are the WORST TEAM in the LEAGUE.
Not willing to trade the best player in WORST TEAM won't make this team any better.
Seriously, how many of you think Kevin Martin can carry this team over at least to the playoff. Cause I don't see that happening.
EVERY PLAYER should be on the TRADING block. Period.
This team is pissing me off right now.
bad managemnet , bad players, bad couching. everthing is not right.
well.. that's why we are the worst team in the league I guess..
 
wonjaeyou said:
I know that this report doesn't go with this thread, but I'm just gonna post it and see how others think about this.

Kings Unwilling To Deal Kevin Martin
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57151/20090210/kings_unwilling_to_deal_kevin_martin/#

This is stupid. Kings should put every player on the block.
GP gotta understand that we are not running for the playoff race or anything.
We are the WORST TEAM in the LEAGUE.
Not willing to trade the best player in WORST TEAM won't make this team any better.
Seriously, how many of you think Kevin Martin can carry this team over at least to the playoff. Cause I don't see that happening.
EVERY PLAYER should be on the TRADING block. Period.
This team is pissing me off right now.
bad managemnet , bad players, bad couching. everthing is not right.
well.. that's why we are the worst team in the league I guess..
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I tend to agree a bit here. I can see why we would want to hold on to K-Mart but, if the better player can be obtained by trading K-Mart, then you do it. K-Mart is a good player, a nice piece to have but he should not be untouchable.

If KMart is only thing between us getting say Amare or Bosh, then thats pretty poor. You always trade a SG for a PF. SGs are much easier to find than PFs.
 
wonjaeyou said:
I know that this report doesn't go with this thread, but I'm just gonna post it and see how others think about this.

Kings Unwilling To Deal Kevin Martin
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57151/20090210/kings_unwilling_to_deal_kevin_martin/#
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Kmart being untouchable was mentioned in the sacbee article too.

I wouldn't mind trading kmart as part of the deal to get a superstar. But not for Amare. Seems like we are trading a scorer for a scorer. Both can't be the leader. Amare is more established since he is an all star. But it would just be too much trading back to square one.
 
Peter_Gibbons said:
Kmart being untouchable was mentioned in the sacbee article too.

I wouldn't mind trading kmart as part of the deal to get a superstar. But not for Amare. Seems like we are trading a scorer for a scorer. Both can't be the leader. Amare is more established since he is an all star. But it would just be too much trading back to square one.
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I'm not saying we should trade Kevin Martin for Amare.
What I'm angry about is unwillingness to trade to make this team better.
 
wonjaeyou said:
I know that this report doesn't go with this thread, but I'm just gonna post it and see how others think about this.
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I suppose it belongs in this thread inasmuch as Kevin would probably need to an integral piece of any potential deal for Amare.

Kings Unwilling To Deal Kevin Martin
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/57151/20090210/kings_unwilling_to_deal_kevin_martin/#

This is stupid. Kings should put every player on the block.
GP gotta understand that we are not running for the playoff race or anything.
We are the WORST TEAM in the LEAGUE.
Not willing to trade the best player in WORST TEAM won't make this team any better.
Seriously, how many of you think Kevin Martin can carry this team over at least to the playoff. Cause I don't see that happening.
EVERY PLAYER should be on the TRADING block. Period.
This team is pissing me off right now.
bad managemnet , bad players, bad couching. everthing is not right.
well.. that's why we are the worst team in the league I guess..
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I don't have a problem with Kevin not being on the block. It would be one thing if we could get LeBron for him, but we can't. There simply aren't any players of that magnitude (or even particularly close) that are available.

I look at it this way: Kevin is the best offensive player on our team, and along with Spencer and Thompson forms one of the core players going forward. Whom can we realistically trade Kevin for that would be a better piece for our rebuild? Amare? He costs almost twice as much as Kevin and has three fewer guaranteed years on his contract. We would basically have next year to convince Amare to stick around - probably at about $20M per - or the rebuild starts again. So I'm not too high on that idea.

Who else? Whom would we actually rather have than Kevin that's actually available?
 
Kevin is untouchable because he's a good character guy who is signed up for the foreseeable future at a reasonable contract. Amare is a bad character guy signed up for the max and he's up for free agency soon and can bolt.

Amare's the better player, but that doesn't mean you trade Kevin for him.

Sure, if LeBron is available you trade Kevin in a heartbeat. But realistically no one is coming available worth trading Kevin for. He's the type of player you try and build around in a rebuild, not someone you trade to get marginally better.
 
nbrans said:
Kevin is untouchable because he's a good character guy who is signed up for the foreseeable future at a reasonable contract. Amare is a bad character guy signed up for the max and he's up for free agency soon and can bolt.

Amare's the better player, but that doesn't mean you trade Kevin for him.

Sure, if LeBron is available you trade Kevin in a heartbeat. But realistically no one is coming available worth trading Kevin for. He's the type of player you try and build around in a rebuild, not someone you trade to get marginally better.
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It's amazing how two comments can use completely different words yet say almost exactly the same thing!
 
I think Petrie is sticking with the Amare for Brad + filler here. I believe Brad can still hold the PF spot from time to time, in the same way he used to play with Vlade at C when Webber got an injury.

Pairing him with Shaq is sure a slow frontline. But he'll definitely complement the whole team on the offense. The Suns have some young mobile defensive bigs in Lopez and Amundson and I think they will be able cope with Brads certain liability like matching up with Dirk at PF.

And also Brad and Shaq contracts both expire after next season. And that's a solid salary relief of 32M to immediately rebuild.

So what now Mr. Kerr? Deal or no deal?
 
If Kevin is truly untouchable for anyone its yet another sign of the sadness of this franchise -- when you hire a 2nd rate player's agent as part of your front office its a sign that you just don't have a clue about who matters in this league. Dwayne Wade matters. LeBron matters. Kevin does not matter.

Now if Kevin is just off the table in an Amare trade...that is reasonable. Your main point in such a trade would be to combine the two chuckers to get a potent inside/outside offense going, or at least that would be my thought in doing it. Merely swapping Kevin for Amare would only move you a little ahead. But combining them would be the goal. Get all your scoring taken care of in two players, and start to put together support players to do all the things the prima donnas won't -- get defensive guys, passers, rebounders, winners.
 
Bricklayer said:
If Kevin is truly untouchable for anyone its yet another sign of the sadness of this franchise -- when you hire a 2nd rate player's agent as part of your front office its a sign that you just don't have a clue about who matters in this league. Dwayne Wade matters. LeBron matters. Kevin does not matter.
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I agree with this.

I just think if there is a realistic/fair trade offer on the table for us to pick up Bosh or Amare for K-Mart, we should take it. It's so incredibly hard for a big to turn into a 20/10 type player that passing one up in a trade offer for a quick 2 guard that isn't nor ever will be a teams 1st option seems quite silly to me. Sure we have Hawes and JT (but we all know they're rough, need work, and might never ascend into that level of play even with the flashes they show). I think it'd be easier to replace KMart through the draft or even free agency (Sure we might not get the same level of player in that position but we can get fairly close I bet offensively but hopefully focus on an upgrade defensively there).
 
Kmart should not be untouchable. In fact, he should be/is our best trade bait. I will even go so far as dealing Kmart and JT for Amare.

We need a center piece to build around and Amare fits the bill. He is a beast. A front court of Amare and Hawes has great potential and we would then have the hardest positions to fill set-up nicely. We can then go and find the smaller guys who are much easier to find.
 
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