How to Get Amare Stoudemire?

[Peter_Gibbons]

There's been a lot of stories on & off about Amare not being happy with the Suns ever since last season. Now I know not everyone here wants to get Amare for different reasons. But I want to discuss how we can make it work in a trade where the Suns will actually accept.

The window for Shaq & Nash are obviously closing. The truth is they most likely won't win a championship with this team. Kerr should know that. In that case, if they can get huge cap relief to rebuild.. maybe they'll do it.

Here is another article today about Amare's unhappiness.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/87074-suns-frustrated-with-stoudemire?eref=fromSI


Maybe...

Brad Miller + John Salmons + Hawes or JT ..... I know its a lot to give up. But superstars like Amare are hard to come by.

 

[Nighthawk1]

or we can wait until 2010 and try to buy him outright? That's the problem with trading for some of these superstars that hit the open market in 2010... If he's not happy here he'll walk and lose one of our youngins...

 

[Bricklayer]

Incriminating pictures of Kerr and a flock of sheep would help.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

or we can wait until 2010 and try to buy him outright? That's the problem with trading for some of these superstars that hit the open market in 2010... If he's not happy here he'll walk and lose one of our youngins...

I agree, there is a chance that he can walk in 2010. But thats kind of like the situation with Webber where we were able to get him to stay. One of the keys with Amare is he wants to be "the man". If he comes here, he will be the man with Martin as the 2nd option which will allow Martin to play better also in my opinion.

Assuming we give up Hawes in the deal, we would be looking at

Amare, JT, Greene, Martin, Beno starting 5. We also have two 1st rounders coming.

 

[Entity]

Incriminating pictures of Kerr and a flock of sheep would help.

Got em!! I will just photoshop you out in the background LOL thats funny

 

[bajaden]

I agree, there is a chance that he can walk in 2010. But thats kind of like the situation with Webber where we were able to get him to stay. One of the keys with Amare is he wants to be "the man". If he comes here, he will be the man with Martin as the 2nd option which will allow Martin to play better also in my opinion.

Assuming we give up Hawes in the deal, we would be looking at

Amare, JT, Greene, Martin, Beno starting 5. We also have two 1st rounders coming.

Personally, I don't want to give up anyone thats part of our future. That would include Hawes, Thompson, Martin, and Greene. Anyone else is fair game. Teams that keep exchanging one peice for another never have any continuity. Lets see what Hawes, Thompson, and Greene develop into. Lets add to them, and let them play together. I would add Cisco into that group also, but I would be willing to trade him for the right deal.

I do not think that Amare is a superstar. I think he's only as good as the pt guard he's playing with. Last time I checked, we had Beno. Beno is not Nash.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

The window for Shaq & Nash are obviously closing. The truth is they most likely won't win a championship with this team. Kerr should know that. In that case, if they can get huge cap relief to rebuild.. maybe they'll do it.
.

There's some truth to your premise, but while Kerr is bold, he is an intellegent GM (I think). My guess is that he will be more inclined to let the Suns take their best shot this season and then trade Nash/O'Neal or let them expire and build around Amare and Richardson. I can't imagine them wanting to trade a star player for what we can offer.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I do not think that Amare is a superstar. I think he's only as good as the pt guard he's playing with. Last time I checked, we had Beno. Beno is not Nash.

I also agree with this. Watching Amare play, he is an All Star caliber big man which is hard to find, but I don't think he will ever be a superstar.

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

I like Hawes, JT etc a lot also and would not want to part with them. But in order to make any real moves, offering Moore, Kenny Thomas + Miller will basically have the other team's GM laugh in our face.

I mean we got to be realistic, no one will want to give up an all star for junk. We will most likely get a high draft pick this yr, but the 2009 draft is not the strongest. I don't see us getting a franchise player from there.

I agree Amare is not a superstar, I meant a quality all star with the potential to be a superstar in the right situation. Very similar to when CWEBB came to our team. (Of course I think Cwebb is better) . I don't think anyone will trade away a superstar unless they are either having trouble with their team or is getting old.

 

[kingsnation]

I agree, there is a chance that he can walk in 2010. But thats kind of like the situation with Webber where we were able to get him to stay.

The team in 01 was way better with more potential than the team that Amare will be looking at come 010.

The 01 team just traded for Bibby, was resigning Christie, Vlade, Peja, Hedo, Bobby etc etc not to mention coming off years where they were consistently better and going farther into the playoffs.

Now, granted this team will look much different come 010 (hopefully) but it will certainly not look like the team of 01. At least not that soon.

 

[D-Rock]

For Hawes? No way. I'd be more inclined to JT being in the trade than Hawes, especially considering that both Amare and JT are power forwards. Spencer Hawes is going to be special and he's the future leader of this team - book it.

And yeah, Amare is not a superstar. He's a great player, but he's no Bryant/Duncan/James.

 

[AriesMar27]

i think that jt would be the guy in the trade and not hawes.... makes sense because we would then need a center.

 

[6th]

Incriminating pictures of Kerr and a flock of sheep would help.

I hear a bloody horse's head left on his bed (under the sheets) might have a profound effect.

 

[FakeInjury]

im not big on Amare's game. I remember in the summer of 04' he made his career off a three point shot at the last second. Yea, its impressive, but no, its not more impressive than being able to hit them consistently. He is a HS kid who makes a lot of cash. I don't see where he has matured; from his game to his mind. He is a big kid, with too much potential for his own good, but his time in PHX killed his developement. I wouldn't spend more than 10 million on him.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

i would not trade 4 the guy.. not with his current contract. we could be left high and dry if he decided to bolt in 2010. lmao, can you imagine what this board would be like if we gave the ranch for this only for him to leave??? LMAO rebuild part deux is what i call it..

 

[Peter_Gibbons]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...g=aw-stoudemiresuns020509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

So it looks like Amare is officially on the market. They are looking for a combo of expiring contracts, a promising young player and picks.

What if we offer Miller's 2010 expiring, Donte Greene + our 1st round pick from Houston Rockets?

Though Greene has "upside", no one is sure if he will ever become an all star or even a good solid starter. I hope he does if we keep him. But we are not giving up much in this case and we get an all star big man.​

 

[DocHolliday]

For Hawes? No way. I'd be more inclined to JT being in the trade than Hawes, especially considering that both Amare and JT are power forwards. Spencer Hawes is going to be special and he's the future leader of this team - book it.

And yeah, Amare is not a superstar. He's a great player, but he's no Bryant/Duncan/James.

If Hawes continues down his current back up he is a future solid back up Center. Also, don't forget, those 4...or was it 5 surgeries?? I can't remember, I lost count....Those will catch up to him in a few years.

 

[Showtime]

The only way I could see it going down is to include Thompson and fillers.

Personally, I don't want him for several reasons. First of all, he wants a max deal and he's not a max player. He's severely overrated IMO. He's built a reputation playing in D'antoni's style and he hasn't proven to be a top player in a slower offense, especially in the halfcourt. He's had his moments, but isn't consistent. He doesn't rebound or defend well despite his size and athleticism. He's got an ego where he wants to be featured in the offense, but he can't work on the block because he's a face up player. He also isn't a facilitator, ala Duncan, he's a finisher. So, he wants to be the first option in an offense where he is a scorer. I don't think that fits in well. Also, with the progress of JT, I really don't think the team needs Amare. He's not a franchise player that can elevate a team, which is what the Kings need.

 

[hearns]

He's not a franchise player that can elevate a team, which is what the Kings need.

How many of this players are available? The Kings will have to work really hard if the only solution is sign LeBron James.

 

[Smills91]

How many of this players are available? The Kings will have to work really hard if the only solution is sign LeBron James.

That's why you usually have to DRAFT those players.

 

[vfettke]

I think this does it

Sac in: Amare
Sac Out: Beno, Salmons, BJax, Rox 1st

Phx in: Howard, Bjax, Rox 1st
Phx out: Amare

Dal in: Salmons, Beno
Dal Out: Howard

I think the Suns do it. Not sure about Dallas. Although they get someone just as productive as Howard plus their backup PG.

 

[Showtime]

How many of this players are available? The Kings will have to work really hard if the only solution is sign LeBron James.

I didn't say Lebron James. But people here are acting as if a second tier star that doesn't fit is going to do wonders for this team, when it's not. This team is playing so poorly that people are looking to get ANYTHING better than what they have and they aren't looking at the bigger picture. I'd rather not get Amare, pay him max, and then have a 40 win team every year that goes nowhere if they make the playoffs, and then look to dump him later on when things don't work out ala Brad Miller. I don't want to settle. And by that, I don't mean getting a Lebron James, but getting a player that makes sense, and getting Amare doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I didn't say Lebron James. But people here are acting as if a second tier star that doesn't fit is going to do wonders for this team, when it's not. This team is playing so poorly that people are looking to get ANYTHING better than what they have and they aren't looking at the bigger picture. I'd rather not get Amare, pay him max, and then have a 40 win team every year that goes nowhere if they make the playoffs, and then look to dump him later on when things don't work out ala Brad Miller. I don't want to settle. And by that, I don't mean getting a Lebron James, but getting a player that makes sense, and getting Amare doesn't make any sense to me.

I acutally worry that Amare is a free agent in 2010. We managed to keep Webber because we had a conteding team. Considering we will not be a playoff team next year even with Amare, there is a good chance he will leave us for nothing. Now, if we could aquire him for a reasonable price, then it's a good gamble. However, if we have to lost Martin, Hawes, JT, orour 1st round picks the next two years then we are actually hurting ourselves.

 

[hearns]

Showtime, you didn't say LeBron James, but there aren't much more players that fit with your requirements: Paul, James and Dwight Howard...

At this point, I'm not sure we are in a position to bash a 2009 All Star starter.

 

[Warhawk]

Showtime, you didn't say LeBron James, but there aren't much more players that fit with your requirements: Paul, James and Dwight Howard...

At this point, I'm not sure we are in a position to bash a 2009 All Star starter.

Sure we are - just watch us!

 

[Jerryaki]

But people here are acting as if a second tier star that doesn't fit is going to do wonders for this team, when it's not.

because beggars can't be choosers.

 

[nbrans]

If they do trade Amare, I have to think it would be to the East, and particularly the Knicks could put together a pretty good offer. Barbosa/Amare for Marbury/Lee/Robinson would probably be attractive to both sides, although not sure the Knicks would want to take on Barbosa's deal with the potential '10 cap space. It actually makes a deal somewhat tricky. And then of course there are pride issues at stake with the D'Antoni bad blood.

There's also Detroit, building around Rasheed's or Iverson's expiring. But what else could Detroit really offer in the way of prospects and picks? Amir Johnson isn't lighting the world on fire, I doubt they'd want to give up Stuckey, their picks aren't that attractive. So don't know what the deal would look like there.

Atlanta could theoretically build around Bibby and Marvin, but they already have Horford.

Toronto is probably the most likely because they could offer Jermaine O'Neal and a 1st for Amare/Barbosa, essentially allowing Phoenix to hit the reset button in '10.

I don't really think it works for the Kings to offer Martin, both because Amare is precisely the type of player you'd want to pair with Martin, and because of BYC issues. Then it becomes a matter of whether you'd want to give up Hawes or JT. I would definitely include Hawes, and probably JT, but it's certainly a big risk with Amare's knees and looming opt-out.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

If they do trade Amare, I have to think it would be to the East, and particularly the Knicks could put together a pretty good offer. Barbosa/Amare for Marbury/Lee/Robinson would probably be attractive to both sides, although not sure the Knicks would want to take on Barbosa's deal with the potential '10 cap space. It actually makes a deal somewhat tricky. And then of course there are pride issues at stake with the D'Antoni bad blood.

There's also Detroit, building around Rasheed's or Iverson's expiring. But what else could Detroit really offer in the way of prospects and picks? Amir Johnson isn't lighting the world on fire, I doubt they'd want to give up Stuckey, their picks aren't that attractive. So don't know what the deal would look like there.

Atlanta could theoretically build around Bibby and Marvin, but they already have Horford.

Toronto is probably the most likely because they could offer Jermaine O'Neal and a 1st for Amare/Barbosa, essentially allowing Phoenix to hit the reset button in '10.

I don't really think it works for the Kings to offer Martin, both because Amare is precisely the type of player you'd want to pair with Martin, and because of BYC issues. Then it becomes a matter of whether you'd want to give up Hawes or JT. I would definitely include Hawes, and probably JT, but it's certainly a big risk with Amare's knees and looming opt-out.

A friend of mine suggest Miami could work with a Beasley + Haslem + Blount package. Miami gets more firepower and the Suns get a good fit in Haslem for this year with Shaq, a promising young big and an expiring contract.

 

[Showtime]

Showtime, you didn't say LeBron James, but there aren't much more players that fit with your requirements: Paul, James and Dwight Howard...

Once again, it doesn't have to be a superstar. I wouldn't have a problem with a second tier star, as long as it makes sense for the team. Amare doesn't make sense to me.

At this point, I'm not sure we are in a position to bash a 2009 All Star starter.

Then as I said, if your goal is 40ish win teams and overpaying a second tier PF, then it's fine for you. That's not fine for me, because I'm not that desperate. I'm no so desperate for anything better that I don't look down the road at the ultimate goal of contending for a title.

 

[nbrans]

A friend of mine suggest Miami could work with a Beasley + Haslem + Blount package. Miami gets more firepower and the Suns get a good fit in Haslem for this year with Shaq, a promising young big and an expiring contract.

Ah -- yeah, that's pretty good too, probably better than Toronto's.