How do you feel about Theus so far?

How do you feel about Theus so far?

  • Theus is doing a good job!

    Votes: 68 66.0%

  • Theus is a lousy coach!

    Votes: 3 2.9%

  • I am still undecided on Theus as an NBA coach.

    Votes: 32 31.1%
  • Total voters
    103
Gary

Gary

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This is not an "I told you so" thread or anything because Theus has a sub .500 record, and no road wins.

But given the circumstances how do you feel Theus has done so far as a coach being about 1/7th through the season?

Personally I like the guy. He seems like a strict players coach. I don't kow if "strict" and "players coach" are supposed to go together but those are the first two descriptions I think of when seeing him coach.

Another thing I like about Theus is his rotation. He does this all the time which I love.. He will rotate players according to defense, and offense situations at a moments notice.

I think Theus has shown so far that he can coach in the NBA, and personally, I like him about 10x more than our old turtle of a coach named Muss :)
 
He also has shown that he can admit to mistakes and that he can adjust and learn. I personally like that.
 
I like what I've seen so far. I like the discipline. I like the no-fear approach to dealing with his players. I think he's definitely on a steep learning curve; he's learning the Xs and Os on the fly. So he might lose a couple or three games because of that during the season, but with this team I'll thank him for the better drafting position.:)

This is a somewhat circular argument I'll make. If Theus can keep his popularity, despite the losing, it will help him retain his legitimacy as the coach of the Kings. And if he's viewed as legitimate by the fans, it will assist him with the credibility of management and ownership, and if the players know that management and ownership are 100% behind Theus, then the players are more apt to buy in to Theus's concept of how the game is played. It becomes much more of a risky exercise for a player to rebel against Theus in that environment. Maybe choosing the "salesman" as the coach wasn't a bad idea.
 
The jury is still for me on Theus at this point. He is a definite improvement over Musselman. He does a lot of great things that I like, and if players continue to respond and play well, things will work out great for this team.
 
Coach doing very good job considering:
- he lost #1 PG at end of pre-season
- neither backup PG candidate worked out
- didn't have RonRon for first 7 games
- injuries or equivalent to KT and SAR
- replacement PG had no pre-season and started 5 games into season from scratch

and a big PLUS in that Coach seems to have RonRon under control, at least for one game (Spurs).

Big task now is to work with Cisco and Kevin and get them up to much more of their abilities (and put some kind of virtual choker chain on Cisco).
 
Reggie is doing a kick-a** job; he does not spaz out on the sidelines like our former coach. He does not wear a sour puss on his face for 48 minutes with negative body language like out former coach.

He has a "been there done that" attitude because he has played in so many games at a high level, experienced lousy teams, medicore teams, and good teams, and has the success and confidence as a head coach of turning around a collegiate program under his belt.

I also LOVE the fact he has not yet garnered a technical foul, or even if he has and I missed it, he still is very poised in the heat of the action. This controlled emotion will rub off on the team.

It is like I said before the season started, he will be our coach for the next decade.
 
He's an awesome coach and...

...he'll get Coach of the Year 20...? Guaranteed. I've said this before in previous posts, not that anybody would remember.


He's a great coach for all the aforementioned reasons in this thread and more.


I think that this year's team has a chance to make it to the playoffs THIS season--that's how good of a coach he is; the players are good, too, in many ways.


As Mikki said in a recent interview with him, the team is starting to learn each player's skill sets/abilities and are starting to make good use of them as they play. Given the extreme brevity of the preseason and, given the set of challenging circumstances that the team found themselves in early this year, it would have to take a while for the team to start to find it's rhythm/style of play.

To preview a good list of the challenges that the Kings had to deal with, CruzDude's list is as follows:

Coach doing very good job considering:
- he lost #1 PG at end of pre-season
- neither backup PG candidate worked out
- didn't have RonRon for first 7 games
- injuries or equivalent to KT and SAR
- replacement PG had no pre-season and started 5 games into season from scratch
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I think that they are starting to really get that rhythm going and that's a very good thing, indeed.


Granted they won't always play like they did with the recent win over the Spurs at home, but they'll be usually competitive in most games, I would think.


I had posted at the beginning of the season that the team would have a slow start and that Theus would do a great job and that's happening; I was way off the mark about Orien Green and I still think that a big trade would happen eventually with Bibby being traded, along with SAR and KT--that would be an awesome move, dumping two unuseable guys (who still can play in the right situations), plus a huge contract of a top-tier point guard who'd very likely find a good place to play somewheres.


I love what Bibby has done for the Kings, but he's a prime candidate for a trade. Imagine how good the Kings would be after that trade. Hmmm.


I have no doubt that Petrie is and has been quietly working on a Bibby blockbuster trade.
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Well, you know, it's a little like being asked if you like your new doctor when your old one was Jack Kevorkian. After Muss, we're pretty sure to like him, just as we've liked Justin and Spencer over KT/SAR, and Beno over nobody. He is relatively dandy.

But I voted "don't know" because all I see is the games, and Reggie blabbing a lot in the press. The latter worries me sometimes, as do things like The Salmons Incident. Without knowing what goes on in the locker room, and in the heads of the players, I can't feel sure. Things could get a lot worse very quickly.

Just the same, he seems to be learning from his mistakes, so I'm hoping that he will keep things on a fairly even keel, and not need any disasters to teach him that he went wrong somewhere along the way.
 
He is getting the most out of what he has, and that is the extent of what you can expect from any coach. It kind of seemed like things were falling apart there for a bit - gotta wonder how much that was just media BS - but whatever it was it really seems Theus was able to handle it. Good signs.
 
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I'd like to hear that person's reasoning for the vote. But I'm guessing whoever cast it will remain silent.
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Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you? Yes, one of the "lousy coach" votes was me. Here's my reason for doing it.

The team is 5-10. I don't want to hear excuses why - injuries, new system, trades, etc. - EVERY team has these issues now and them. And some a lot more than the Kings. I want results now. Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons. The Orlando Magic is running away with their division. The Pistons had injuries to their key core players at the beginning of the season, and they've kept it together and are competitive. "Yeah sure, but trades helped the Celtics & Magic a lot." Yeah, so what? They still have to learn to play together, and the coach makes that happen. What has Theus made happen so far? Keeping a lid on Artest? As a coach, I don't want that being the best we can get out of the team's premiere player.

So far I think he's over-matched as an NBA coach.
 
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theus is doing a fine job. he is definately getting more out of the players than Muss did. i would like to see spencer hawes get more playing time. the end of last nights game showed us that no one can come through in the clutch. we got shut down in that 4th quarter. period. we need 1 go to guy and build around that. we need to get spencer into this lineup. let him postup. that couldve saved the game. instead we kept trying to force feed artest.
 
Oscar said:
Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you? Yes, one of the lousy votes was me. Here's my reason for doing it.

The team is 5-10. I don't want to hear excuses why - injuries, new system, trades, etc. - EVERY team has these issues now and them. And some a lot more than the Kings. I want results now. Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons. The Orlando Magic is running away with their division. The Pistons had injuries to their key core players at the beginning of the season, and they've kept it together and are competitive. "Yeah sure, but trades helped the Celtics & Magic a lot." Yeah, so what? They still have to learn to play together, and the coach makes that happen. What has Theus made happen so far? Keeping a lid on Artest? As a coach, I don't want that being the best we can get out of the team's premiere player.

So far I think he's over-matched as an NBA coach.
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Thanks for your input.
 
Oscar said:
The team is 5-10. I don't want to hear excuses why - injuries, new system, trades, etc. - EVERY team has these issues now and them. And some a lot more than the Kings. I want results now.
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you can try to turn a chocolate bar into a gold bar, but you'd be trying for a long time. bottom line is that this team, talent-wise, just isn't very good. expecting theus to get them to overachieve is fine, but no wonder you're disappointed.

as for me...at least he's a step up from last year. :)
 
Oscar said:
Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you?
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I think you're confusing passion and strong opinion with bullying. Your opinions are welcome just like anyones. At the same time, expect disagreement, strong and vehement at times, and embrace constructive dialogue.

BTW, I think Theus is performing admirably under the circumstances. I think he's going to have a nice career as a coach.
 
Oscar said:
Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you? Yes, one of the "lousy coach" votes was me. Here's my reason for doing it.

The team is 5-10. I don't want to hear excuses why - injuries, new system, trades, etc. - EVERY team has these issues now and them. And some a lot more than the Kings. I want results now. Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons. The Orlando Magic is running away with their division. The Pistons had injuries to their key core players at the beginning of the season, and they've kept it together and are competitive. "Yeah sure, but trades helped the Celtics & Magic a lot." Yeah, so what? They still have to learn to play together, and the coach makes that happen. What has Theus made happen so far? Keeping a lid on Artest? As a coach, I don't want that being the best we can get out of the team's premiere player.

So far I think he's over-matched as an NBA coach.
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nah... Nobody would run you into the ground for that.. Very well thought out explanation! NOW GET ON THE GROUND SO WE CAN STOMP ON YOU A BIT! :p

Basically the team just flat out sucks. Theus, Rick, or Muss would have all about that same record.

Anyone else think Theus is intimidated by Artest a bit? He pulls all the players out when they are sucking it up except for Artest...
 
Oscar said:
Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons.
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And go back and look at how horrible it was for Celtics fans during those years of terrible seasons. The longest journey starts with a single step...
 
Oscar said:
Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons.
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Yea, the Celtics have turned it around. I mean they only have KG, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce. I'm sure if the Kings had these players, the Kings would be turning it around too.
 
Oscar said:
Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you? Yes, one of the "lousy coach" votes was me. Here's my reason for doing it.

The team is 5-10. I don't want to hear excuses why - injuries, new system, trades, etc. - EVERY team has these issues now and them. And some a lot more than the Kings. I want results now. Look at how the Celtics turned it around after years of terrible seasons. The Orlando Magic is running away with their division. The Pistons had injuries to their key core players at the beginning of the season, and they've kept it together and are competitive. "Yeah sure, but trades helped the Celtics & Magic a lot." Yeah, so what? They still have to learn to play together, and the coach makes that happen. What has Theus made happen so far? Keeping a lid on Artest? As a coach, I don't want that being the best we can get out of the team's premiere player.

So far I think he's over-matched as an NBA coach.
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I think there is a huge difference between "excuses" and "reasons."

Your post makes no sense to me. You say you want results NOW and then proceed to offer up as examples the Celtics and the Magic, who both took a lot of bad years to get results "now." Also, give Garnett and Pierce or Dwight Howard to Reggie and I suspect his coaching would look a lot better.

As to the Pistons, they have the same coach and pretty much the same players who have played together for a long time now. They've had a few years to learn how to "play together as a team." Hardly a matter of instant results.
 
^^^ Agree..

We are in our second year of "missing the playoffs suckiness" and first year with Theus. I still hope Artest, and Bibby are shopped this year, so things might be getting worse! :D
 
Oscar said:
Why? So you can try to bully me and run me into the ground like you usually do with posters who don't agree with you? Yes, one of the "lousy coach" votes was me. Here's my reason for doing it.
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So far I think he's over-matched as an NBA coach.
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This may very well be true. In fact, Reggie might agree. I voted that I liked him 'cause the question had nothing to do with how skilled he was. As any rookie, he is learning and unlike a lot of rookies, I think he has a capacity to improve a great deal. It's just an opinion based on very little actual knowledge but if the players share the view of a lot of us fans, he has mastered something that is very important.
 
I really don't like the direction he is taking. I would like to see Hawes and Douby played alot more then they are. Sadly, Kings games are not about winning these days. That is secondary. This team is about developing its talent. I do not see that happenning. So, I cannot vote that I like what he is doing. I am not indifferent to what he is doing, however, so the second option is out too. Therefore, I voted for the negative option, though I do not see him as a lousy coach. That is way too strong.
 
I have never played at a high level and never coached basketball so I have a question or two. I HAVE paid a lot of attention over many years.

What should a new coach do? Simple enough question. Adelman seemed always to be tinkering with the offense and he made it clear that was his focus although he gave lip service to defense. His tinkering is what I thought made him great. He was never at a loss for words (although not a great speaker) 'cause he always had something to work on in practice. I also heard that he ran an efficient practice. Having Coachie may have helped immensely 'cause Coachie was constantly working with people on new moves.

Theus, I presume, has to teach his style of offense whatever that might be. So far, I see no real direction in his offense. If he is going to continue to allow one on one domination of the ball, he'll lose me and I am a major Reggie fan. I would like to see him instill some direction in the offense when they are playing teams like Suns and Warriors and that is not just to go small but to try to slow the other guys down.

I get the impression that he is being successful with defense. If anyone knows Reggie in his playing days, they will know that Reggie is teaching what he never did and is asking for an off court discipline that he never had. (Interesting to guys like me. :) )

And then there's the problem with the new guys. SOMEONE has to help them and unfortunately no one will be as good as Coachie. NOBODY. But someone has to spend time with them other than Artest after practice. It seems that our coaching staff is just a bunch of young guys and perhaps they were picked because of Theus' insecurity as a manager of his own staff. I think a young staff hurts us hugely.

In short, what I see a good "Reggie stamp" on defense, very little on offense, and an awfully inexperienced coaching staff. Assuming I am accurate in this assessment, should we expect a good, hard working defense AND a well oiled offensive machine at this point in Reggie's career and with a team that has made major player changes (insertion of Artest and Beno) over the course of a short season? Would another coach be able to accomplish more?
 
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