how bout Beasley!!! lets do it!

[sactownfan]

hey sactown is a small peaceful place and would probably help him with the temptation some... we also got alot of character type guys here, including a coach that has worked with drugged out players in the past...

If we had the #2 pick in that draft we all wanted him and we probably would have taken him... how bout trading for him now hes at an all time low... lol!!!

I say THE PRICE IS RIGHT BOB! done deal!

 

[kingsnation]

I didn't want him then, and I don't want him now.

EDIT - However, Miami's patience might begin to weather a bit, and if he isn't showing improvement or a desire to change come February - a deal with him and K9 could get pretty tempting (making the contracts match of course.)

 

[Nighthawk1]

We'd have to give up much more then just K9 to get Beasley in his current condition or not. One thing that scares me away from him is the whole mental health thing. With the risk vs. reward potential what becomes a viable price for a kid with a ceiling like his. They would almost assuradely wan't a JT + More (maybe even a protected 1st rounder)... I'm not sure the price is worth the potential reward if he pans out for a tweener forward.

 

[kingsnation]

We'd have to give up much more then just K9 to get Beasley in his current condition or not. One thing that scares me away from him is the whole mental health thing. With the risk vs. reward potential what becomes a viable price for a kid with a ceiling like his. They would almost assuradely wan't a JT + More (maybe even a protected 1st rounder)... I'm not sure the price is worth the potential reward if he pans out for a tweener forward.

Yeah I agree they'd want more. Even if they didn't, they'd have to because their contracts far from match. If he does really start to irritate management they could become pretty desperate to haul him out of there.

I would not give up JT or Hawes for him. They are more valuable than him already anyways and they are true big men.

 

[bajaden]

How fast can your star fall? I've stated before that I wasn't a big Beasley fan, but thats mostly because most people saw him as a PF and I didn't. Strangely enough the game that convinced me was the game Kansas St. played little Rider and Thompson, then an unknown by most, outplayed Beasley. I think it was the first time Beasley had come up against, not only a bigger, but almost as athletic a player as he was. My first thought was, this isn't going to work in the NBA.

To take irony full circle. Beasley reminded me of a young Kenny Thomas. An undersized athletic PF that hasn't really developed his outside game. That aside, lets make no mistake about it. Beasley is talented! He's just found out that what he did in college doesn't quite make it in the NBA, and he's lost at the moment. I don't know if he'll figure it out or not. I hope he does, because it would be a shame, and a waste of a talented young man.

I have faith that he can still be a star. But he has to figure it out. No guarantee's there. As for the Kings. Right now, unless you could get him for Donte Greene and a box of crackers, its too big a risk. There is no way in hell that I would trade any of my core players for him. But if they want Beno, Greene, Nocioni or KT. I would listen...

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I don't think he'll become a star, and I've never been high on him. I still think he needs to answer the SF/PF question. He has an SF game with offense that goes to the perimeter, and his rebounding is more in line here. The concern is that he likes to use tons of possessions for the sole purpose of scoring, and in that case he's proven himself to be a bit 1.5 dimensional (scoring and some rebounding). He's talented there, but he needs to develop passing ability and defense, which is already in doubt with his maturity problems. I always thought the upshot with him was Antawn Jamison, but now with these problems I doubt he would even reach that--Jamison had an inner toughness and is one of the classiest guys in the league.

 

[sactownfan]

I have faith that he can still be a star. But he has to figure it out. No guarantee's there. As for the Kings. Right now, unless you could get him for Donte Greene and a box of crackers, its too big a risk. There is no way in hell that I would trade any of my core players for him. But if they want Beno, Greene, Nocioni or KT. I would listen...

just wanna set it straight... i just threw this out there... i totally agree with this post... i'd make a deal if the heat figure he'll never survive in miami and needs to go else where... on the cheap... or at the cost of greene, beno, noc, garcia, k9, etc i'd make a deal

 

[VF21]

I cannot think of even one reason the Kings would make any effort to get him. Once again, sometimes one team's garbage is just that... and I wouldn't trade away any of our current crop for him.

 

[Sptsjunkie]

I cannot think of even one reason the Kings would make any effort to get him. Once again, sometimes one team's garbage is just that... and I wouldn't trade away any of our current crop for him.

I think this is too harsh. He needs to overcome his personal issues, which can certainly be done at his age. However, he is 20 years old and as a rookie, he averaged nearly 14 PPG and 5.5 RBs shooting 47% from the field and 40% from the 3 point line. He has his faults and may never be a great player, but I would certainly love to have him if we could get him at a reasonable price. He has the athleticism and natural ability to be a special player if he puts it together. We are at a stage of our rebuilding where this would be a reasonable risk.

 

[kennadog]

I've revised my opinion of the Beasley situation since I heard more on the radio yesterday. The young man is apparently severly depressed and suicidal. That's what he is actually being treated for. His last twitters before he entered "rehab" were very sad to hear.

Any drug use is probably related to that underlying illness. For a lot of people, and probably hyper-analyzed athletes, you just don't want to seek help from psychiatrists. Once you do, you are pretty much labeled for life. Believe me, I know from personal experience.

It is a treatable illness and the kind of depression makes a difference in how treatable. I sincerely hope he gets the help he so obviously needs and I hope he gets a chance to continue his professional career, if that's what he really wants.

 

[bajaden]

I cannot think of even one reason the Kings would make any effort to get him. Once again, sometimes one team's garbage is just that... and I wouldn't trade away any of our current crop for him.

I hate to discard any 20 year old as garbage, although some will end up being that. For the Kings it would be a risky move. Even if he didn't have emotional and possibly drug problems going on (I personally have no information that he has a drug problem) I would agree with Arby, that he's at present, a somewhat selfish player. Not unusual for someone that used to being the center of attraction since birth. Its hard to go from being a big fish in a small pond to a small fish in a big pond.

 

[TTown Kings]

Given the current state of this team it would be well worth the risk if the cost is low. A 20 year old with all-star potential is not someone you just say no to. When a team is as low and bad as this one risks are absolutely necessary. However, I would not be willing to give up one of our young core players.

 

[VF21]

Given the current state of this team it would be well worth the risk if the cost is low. A 20 year old with all-star potential is not someone you just say no to. When a team is as low and bad as this one risks are absolutely necessary. However, I would not be willing to give up one of our young core players.

I couldn't possibly disagree more. Given the current state of this team - where chemistry is finally not an issue - the worst possible thing you could do is bring in a troubled youth. Risks are one thing; acquisitions like this go beyond risk and well into the "what were we thinking?" category. We already have a young player with all-star potential who hasn't proven himself yet - and he plays the same position as Beasley. I certainly don't think there's room for two of them.

 

[ElRey]

I've revised my opinion of the Beasley situation since I heard more on the radio yesterday. The young man is apparently severly depressed and suicidal. That's what he is actually being treated for. His last twitters before he entered "rehab" were very sad to hear.

Any drug use is probably related to that underlying illness. For a lot of people, and probably hyper-analyzed athletes, you just don't want to seek help from psychiatrists. Once you do, you are pretty much labeled for life. Believe me, I know from personal experience.

It is a treatable illness and the kind of depression makes a difference in how treatable. I sincerely hope he gets the help he so obviously needs and I hope he gets a chance to continue his professional career, if that's what he really wants.

While depression is very treatable, it is definitely not a good condition to have for an athlete. Look at Vin Baker! The guy went from All-star to scrub after he became depressed. Sports is as much mental as physical. esp for top elite athletes. They need to believe that they are the best and play like they are the best. Other athletes will also challenge you mentally and use that to their advantage if they know you have a mental weakness. I remember when Vin Baker cried when Chris Webber was trying to punk him in a game. Nick Anderson also comes to mind as a guy who had mental problems, ever since he missed those free throws in the NBA finals. Though i'm not sure if he ever really had full blown depression and suicidal like in the case of Beasley.

 

[Bricklayer]

Beasely is an interesting mess. There's been something wrong wiht him mentally since as long as he has been in the publci eye. People always make excuses for guys like like, Artest, whatever. But you know. Or should. They just do not act/respond like normal people. To top it off, he is incredibly undersized -- he can't be a full time PF for anybody but D'Antoni.

And yet, and here is the interesting part, he put up EXTREMELY impresive numbers in limited minutes last year. 13.9pts 5.4 rebs in 24.8min? That's basically 26pts 10rebs/per 48. And it was viewed as disappointing.

As for what Miami would want, consider this:

1) Miami has done an AMAZING job clearing megacaproom for this upcoming summer and the LeBron sweepstakes. The onyl players on the entire roster who are not enders are their kids (Beasely, Chalmers, Diawara). Do they want even more room? Room to compeltely start over? Don't know, but a team like that with such a clear strategy might really love KTs ending contract, and he even plays the same position.

2) Miami is also, of course, desperately trying to impress Dwayne Wade so he'll stay with them. We can't help much directly, but if the Heat were satisfied with their cap room what about a three way deal? Go to Philly, offer them Beno & Noc (since they no longer have a starting PG with Miller gone), have them move Brand to Miami, take back Jrue Holiday, Beasely, and contracts. Philly fortifies their playoff position again, Miami gets a veteran former All Stare frontcourt of Jermaine/Brand, and we come out smelling like roses with the kids (maybe smelling too good -- when you smell that good somebody else probably is not interested).

 

[TTown Kings]

I couldn't possibly disagree more. Given the current state of this team - where chemistry is finally not an issue - the worst possible thing you could do is bring in a troubled youth. Risks are one thing; acquisitions like this go beyond risk and well into the "what were we thinking?" category. We already have a young player with all-star potential who hasn't proven himself yet - and he plays the same position as Beasley. I certainly don't think there's room for two of them.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. I've still yet to see this "chemistry" that you speak of with the current team. Not sure when and where it developed, over the past 4 months of the offseason? You can't possibly classify this as a "what were they thinking" move until you know the outcome of all of this stuff, which is years from being known (your point also could have been made in the Webber situation, I think that turned out just fine ). Right now you're assuming it's gonna be a problem his whole career, that puts it in the "what were they thinking" category and that is quite an assumption you're making. I also don't think JT has the same "all-star" potential, not to mention Beasley can also play the 3 pretty well...

When a team wins 17 games you need TALENT, period. Beasley has a whole lot of that and is 20 years old. We'd have an extremely young and talented team at every position. I just don't see it as that big of a risk. If he's a problem you cut him loose. He's probably only on contract for another 2 years and would be easily movable as well.

Doesn't really matter as I can't see this happening anyway, but it's fun to think about...

 

[kennadog]

While depression is very treatable, it is definitely not a good condition to have for an athlete.

Believe me, it is not a good condition for anyone to have, under any circumstances. But plenty of people accomplish major things in life while dealing with depression. It takes real toughness to not quit or commit suicide in the face of utter darkness and despair. Two well known: Mike Wallace and Terry Bradshaw. Abe Lincoln anyone?

Interesting article from SI in 2003; http://www.smartproinsight.com/SportsIllustrated090803.htm

 

[Nighthawk1]

I heard some rumors he was losing weight to focus on playing a SF.. Keeping that in mind There probably isn't anyone outside of JT/Hawes/Tyreke I'd trade for him.. I know he'd probably be a tad too slow to guard some of the faster SF's in the league but he'd be pretty impossible for opposing teams to guard as well. It'd just be interesting to see what Miami would actually have in mind as far as a trade with Sac went. We can only wildly speculate at this point, because there is probably a .001% chance of Beasley to Sac at this point in time

 

[Prince_XY]

I have faith that he can still be a star. But he has to figure it out. No guarantee's there. As for the Kings. Right now, unless you could get him for Donte Greene and a box of crackers, its too big a risk. There is no way in hell that I would trade any of my core players for him. But if they want Beno, Greene, Nocioni or KT. I would listen...

I'm all for this.

Saying we cannot gamble a few loose change on Beasley because we finally have gotten out of chemistry issue is one of the dumbest reason for not taking him. We have almost half of the roster not playing at all with each other and suddenly we already have chemistry in this team? What chemistry can you develop in a few games at Las Vegas? We don't even know if Martin and Evans can co-exist!

If we can get a 20-year old, #2 draft pick with high upside for a bag of peanuts, I think we shouldn't hesitate bringing him in.

 

[ElRey]

Believe me, it is not a good condition for anyone to have, under any circumstances. But plenty of people accomplish major things in life while dealing with depression. It takes real toughness to not quit or commit suicide in the face of utter darkness and despair. Two well known: Mike Wallace and Terry Bradshaw. Abe Lincoln anyone?

Interesting article from SI in 2003; http://www.smartproinsight.com/SportsIllustrated090803.htm

You're absolute correct in that depression is not good for anyone to have. It's just that it's magnified in professional sports because every little inch counts in competition. I would only trade for Beasley if he comes cheap.

 

[bajaden]

Believe me, it is not a good condition for anyone to have, under any circumstances. But plenty of people accomplish major things in life while dealing with depression. It takes real toughness to not quit or commit suicide in the face of utter darkness and despair. Two well known: Mike Wallace and Terry Bradshaw. Abe Lincoln anyone?

Interesting article from SI in 2003; http://www.smartproinsight.com/SportsIllustrated090803.htm

Does anyone remember Ricky Berry??

 

[VF21]

Perhaps the better question might be "Can any Kings fan ever forget Ricky Berry?" It's hard to believe it's been 20 years -almost to the day - since Berry took his own life. I think that's the singular most tragic event to ever happen to the Sacramento Kings franchise.

 

[NME]

Perhaps the better question might be "Can any Kings fan ever forget Ricky Berry?" It's hard to believe it's been 20 years -almost to the day - since Berry took his own life. I think that's the singular most tragic event to ever happen to the Sacramento Kings franchise.

Wow, it's really been that long? I remember vividly seeing the news and watching reports all day long since it was summer vacation.

 

[Chupacabra]

The dude is just depressed from smoking all that weed. He probably just started smoking less and had withdrawals. With that said i would trade anyone not named Thompson,Martin, or Evans for him. He had a good rookie year and was an absolute stud in college. I think he has a TON of potential.

 

[AriesMar27]

The dude is just depressed from smoking all that weed. He probably just started smoking less and had withdrawals. With that said i would trade anyone not named Thompson,Martin, or Evans for him. He had a good rookie year and was an absolute stud in college. I think he has a TON of potential.

maybe there was a drought in miami and he had to buy some really bad weed in jacksonville. i that would make me depressed, jacksonville sucks. but seriously if we had the pieces to make a trade for beasley i would be down for it. now that i think about it he plays like a sf but is built like a undersized pf, he isnt a freak athlete but he is a skilled player. there are more than enough minute available on this team for thompson and beasley for the next 2 years or until one of them becomes the top dawg at the position.

i wonder if he could play sf full time? he could turn into a carmelo anthony type of player if he could hang at sf.... but he might be so incredibly tweenerific that it would only work on the knicks or warriors in a al harrington type of situation.

but we dont have the pieces to make the deal and have to many players at sf to try it out if we did.

 

[Chupacabra]

Not a freak athlete? My boy Beasley is a SUPER freak athlete.

MEH. I take it back lol

 

[AriesMar27]

Not a freak athlete? My boy Beasley is a SUPER freak athlete.

are we talking about the same michael beasley? he isnt ground bound like brad miller but he sure as heck isnt a freak athlete like amare. he's in the same boat as our own tyreke evans a decent athlete, nothing more and nothing less....

its probably why he didnt do as well in the nba because he was no longer the most athletic player on the court anymore. if he had the speed to keep up with other sf's in the league he could become a really good player. he already has the game of a sf, so there isnt much of a transition in positions like we have with evans. he plays like a sf in a (a bit undersized)pf's body. he just lacks the speed to keep up with lebron, granger, gerald wallace, joe johnson, carmelo or paul pierce...

 

[bajaden]

are we talking about the same michael beasley? he isnt ground bound like brad miller but he sure as heck isnt a freak athlete like amare. he's in the same boat as our own tyreke evans a decent athlete, nothing more and nothing less....

its probably why he didnt do as well in the nba because he was no longer the most athletic player on the court anymore. if he had the speed to keep up with other sf's in the league he could become a really good player. he already has the game of a sf, so there isnt much of a transition in positions like we have with evans. he plays like a sf in a (a bit undersized)pf's body. he just lacks the speed to keep up with lebron, granger, gerald wallace, joe johnson, carmelo or paul pierce...

I think your underselling his athletic ability a little. he may not be the athlete that Gerold Wallace is, but he's a better athlete than Cisco or Noc. I don't think his problem is keeping up speed wise or athletic wise, I think his problem is between his ears. It certainly doesn't help that he's only 6'7" without shoes. I've always believed that he's a SF. I'm not sure that he believes it. Whatever the case, he has to get his head on straight. As I said. He's talented, but at the moment, without a true position.

 

[VF21]

Wow, it's really been that long? I remember vividly seeing the news and watching reports all day long since it was summer vacation.

Aug. 14, 1989

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Berry

 

[AriesMar27]

I think your underselling his athletic ability a little. he may not be the athlete that Gerold Wallace is, but he's a better athlete than Cisco or Noc. I don't think his problem is keeping up speed wise or athletic wise, I think his problem is between his ears. It certainly doesn't help that he's only 6'7" without shoes. I've always believed that he's a SF. I'm not sure that he believes it. Whatever the case, he has to get his head on straight. As I said. He's talented, but at the moment, without a true position.

i know that he is more athletic than nocioni and garcia, but neither one of them will ever be star players in this league. beasley can be a star, if he gets his mind right he could do it. i would love to trade for him if we didnt already have nocioni and garcia playing sf. we would have a cool team if we could somehow land a potential star like beasley we would be in good shape in our rebuild. we would have a nice team with evans, beasley, thompson and hawes.... i know it wouldnt be popular, but i would risk a 1st rounder (top 3 protected for 2010 or unprotected 2011) and nocioni for beasley and filler like wright or someone.

he is a good player and can become a great player if he doesnt lose his damn mind. that would be a dope team if evans can play pg full time or we trade martin i guess... because beasley can score and so can evans; thompson and hawes wouldnt have to do much to make it all work offensively. defense is another story, they are all so young that it would be hard to tell how that would work out. we would still need a backup center that can block shots. maybe we could sign darko to a small contract next season when he becomes a free agent.

i dont know.... we are so bad that it wouldnt hurt us to make a move for him....