How About Hinrich?

[pkballr]

How about Hinrich? If the Kings choose to do so and pick up Griffin (or fall out of contention for top 2 and end up with a Hill or Thabeet), would we mind taking a flyer on him? I would say:

KT to CHI
KH to SAC

Why CHI does this: They free up the glut of guards in their rotation while also shedding salary. This also makes them players for 2010 if they want to try and sign Amare or Bosh during this period.

Why CHI doesn't do this: They get KT in return, another player to rot on their bench while they wait for him to expire. Also, they get no return value from the Kings (since they took all of our good veterans anyways...)

Why SAC does this: They get a legitimate PG who has helped lead his team to a playoff berth before while he started. Has a declining contract which works in the same fashion as Noc's I believe. Also, career A:TO ratio is 6.1: 2.3. Mounds better compared to our now starting PG who's same stats are 2.9:1.4.

Why SAC doesn't do this: He's getting on in age. He's already 28 (though he turned 28 at the beginning of this year) and has essentially hit his prime. What you see is what you get, though a much better player compared to the one we already have. Also, his contract runs for three more years, essentially tying us up with $15 million between a back-up PG and a third string back-up PG (on their previous teams). Also, he's a good player, but not great and wouldn't push us over the edge.

If we end up with Griffin or we don't get Rubio, I wouldn't mind trying to get Hinrich. His declining contract makes him tradeable if he doesn't work out, and seems to understand that he is a role player.
SAC Lineup after trade:
PG - Hinrich
SG - Martin
SF - Nocioni (or Garcia)
PF - Thompson (or Griffin if he is drafted)
C - Hawes
CHI lineup after the trade wouldn't change much, but the potential to free up salary while having the chance to add a Bosh or Amare would be something they wouldn't mind doing. In two years, their lineup could look like:
PG - Rose
SG - Gordon (or Salmons)
SF - Salmons (or Deng)
PF - Bosh (or Amare)
C - Noah

As a Kings fan, I wouldn't mind doing this if it meant our starting PG was anyone but Beno. I think it's subjective though, as Hinrich isn't MUCH of an improvement over him and is getting paid more to do what Beno does on some nights. Also, like I mentioned, Hinrich won't push us over the edge, but I feel he will be a solid role player and would love a chance at starting again. If in all of this, we could somehow rid ourselves of Beno...
Obviously this wouldn't happen till after the BG situation resolves itself. If Gordon ends up going somewhere else during FA, the Bulls would be resolved to starting Salmons at SG and might not mind keeping Hinrich since they wouldn't have to waste money resiging Gordon.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Hinrich is too old and becoming too much of a role player rather than a real PG, who can run an offense. Not worth the cap space he'd use.

 

[bajaden]

I'm not that big a fan of Hinrich. He played more 2 guard than he did pt this year. At any rate it would just be another stop gap measure. Its time to settle the point guard position with a permanant resident. And one with talent.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

I actually like him quite a bit--I think he's quite underrated. Certainly he's no star, but he can act as a key cog for playoff teams. His biggest asset--his height in combination with superb defense--is quite uncommon in point guards, and his secondary assets (decent to good shooting ability, reasonable passing ability/court vision) are actually a bit undervalued--people just seem to think of him as a defense guy. I actually wanted him in the Nocioni trade instead, despite his also relatively toxic contract. He's past the age of players we should covet if we are to thrust forward this rebuild, but then again if we want to accelerate the rebuilding by getting ready-made players (i.e. Turkoglu), in terms of sheer skills, Hinrich wouldn't be a bad choice at all.

 

[Heuge]

Hinrich is exactly the type of pg we are looking for.

 

[Bricklayer]

Hinrich is exactly the type of pg we are looking for.

Mediocre, bad contract, can't shoot?

 

[beb0p]

Hinrich is not a PG. He is not a SG either, but that's besides the point. He has finally found a role that is perfect for him in Chicago - a combo guard off the bench, it'd be a shame to remove him from that situation.

It wouldn't make sense to keep both Beno and Hinrich. Hinrich is a better version of Beno, but they nonetheless overlaps each other in many areas.

 

[Packt]

Defense, versatility, 3-pt range, leadership? Yes.

I don't know how being able to play 2 guard is a negative. His versatility is a strengh and is one of the reasons why he can help. I would've preferred Hinrich over Nocioni because he would've had more positive impact on the team. Hinrich would be a better veteran move for us compared to Hedo.

This would all depend on what we do in the draft and whether we're ready to start competing or wait another year.

 

[Smills91]

I'd do a Beno for Hinrich swap. Kings ditch out on redundant dollars but pay a premium...Bulls get a cheaper option but save about 3-4 million RIGHT NOW to help goes toward re-signing Gordon.

I'm game with that scenario.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Hinrich is exactly the type of pg we are looking for.

He's not the point guard you're looking for.

(Static) He's not the point guard we're looking for.

He can go about his business.

(Static) You can go about your business.

Move along.

(Static) Move along! Move along!

 

[Vlade4GM]

He's a good albeit streaky 3 pt shooter, not much of a mid range game, so-so overall scorer, not very good shot selection, has some facilitating abilities but not a true PG either, good defender and has some versatility to guard a SG every once in a while but can get into foul trouble. He'll kill our cap space and will be 29 mid-way through next season, those two things alone make him an awful fit for us. Can we please move past this idea?

 

[kupman]

Hinrich is exactly the type of pg we are looking for.

Add me to the minority who thinks this is a good idea. Before his minutes were significantly cut in the last couple of years he was averaging 15 pts and 6-7 assists per game. At 28 he probably has another 4 years left in the tank.

Does somebody have a better idea on how to get a PG? I would love Rubio on the team, but even if he does end-up here he will be 18 and I do not want any 18 year-old running the team right away.

I don't think that we can stand another full season with Beno running the show. So, if somebody has a better idea, please share.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Add me to the minority who thinks this is a good idea. Before his minutes were significantly cut in the last couple of years he was averaging 15 pts and 6-7 assists per game. At 28 he probably has another 4 years left in the tank.

Does somebody have a better idea on how to get a PG? I would love Rubio on the team, but even if he does end-up here he will be 18 and I do not want any 18 year-old running the team right away.

I don't think that we can stand another full season with Beno running the show. So, if somebody has a better idea, please share.

We're rebuilding, you don't waste 8 mil a year of cap space for the next 3-4 years on a stop gap. It's overkill.

 

[Warhawk]

Does somebody have a better idea on how to get a PG? I would love Rubio on the team, but even if he does end-up here he will be 18 and I do not want any 18 year-old running the team right away.

Actually, for a talent like Rubio that will probably translate well to the NBA, that is exactly what you want.

 

[Heuge]

Mediocre, bad contract, can't shoot?

Contract aside. He is a decent shooter, who has an excellent IQ on the court. AND he plays solid defense. That is the type of PG that wins championships.

 

[Heuge]

He's not the point guard you're looking for.

(Static) He's not the point guard we're looking for.

He can go about his business.

(Static) You can go about your business.

Move along.

(Static) Move along! Move along!

May the 4th (be with you)

Your silly mind tricks only work on the feeble mind...

 

[Capt. Factorial]

May the 4th (be with you)

And may the 4th pick go to somebody else!

 

[Vlade4GM]

Contract aside. He is a decent shooter, who has an excellent IQ on the court. AND he plays solid defense. That is the type of PG that wins championships.

Depends solely on who else the team has. Put him on the Lakers who already have an awesome shot creator? He's a great fit, adds a lot to them. Put him on a team like the Kings that lack a true go-to shot creator then he's redundant and just adds more extraneous cap space. I'd rather trade for Steve Blake if we want that kind of player, he'd fit that stop gap role better and he'd be more cost efficient, but with Beno's contract that's probably a bad idea as well.

 

[rainmaker]

I really wanted the Kings to make a play for Hinrich before they signed Beno. But with the additions of Beno and Noc, I don't want to spend more on an older pg. We will hopefully get a starting-level pg in the draft, in which case I wouldn't want Hinrich here taking playing time away from him. If we don't get a pg in the draft, I would prefer going after a younger pg who can grow with this team. Still, I like Hinrich, but wouldn't want him unless we trade Beno, and possibly others, and/or don't get a younger pg through the draft or free agency.

If we get Rubio, Jennings, or have a shot at Sessions, we don't need Hinrich. If we get Griffin or Thabeet, and can't get Sessions, he would be a great fit.

 

[Dime Dropper]

Ugh, no to Hinrich. Never been a fan. Bad contract and isn't a very good PG. Exactly not what this team needs.

 

[Bricklayer]

Contract aside. He is a decent shooter, who has an excellent IQ on the court. AND he plays solid defense. That is the type of PG that wins championships.

First, you can't put contracts aside when you are rebuilding (or any other time). They are hugely important, and overpaying for one spot/mediocre talent can dramatically alter your ability to fill others.

Secondly, Heinrich might be able to be a roleplayer on a championship team...if he were surrounded by superstars. If the Lakers wanted to bring him in next year that would be a decent potential move. But if he's not surrounded by superstars, he has barely been able to hold down a starting job on a team that has bounced in and out of the playoff fringe as first round fodder. If he's 22 and cheap you could consider taking him and sitting on him for years waiting for your moment. But he's not special enough to be worth that trreatment. And at 28 with a big contract he's definitely not worth that treatment.

 

[Heuge]

Again, I said he is the type of player will need, not the player we need. His contract is too big and his is a bit old. We most certainly could do worse. See, the awful Beno signing and contract.

That said, what point gaurd doesnt need to be sorrounded by superstars? Well, at least one that is attainable.

 

[kupman]

I am sitting here still wondering who will be our PG next year. I would much rather have Hinrich starting for us than Beno or anyone under the age of 21.

Ideas?

 

[bajaden]

I am sitting here still wondering who will be our PG next year. I would much rather have Hinrich starting for us than Beno or anyone under the age of 21.

Ideas?

Yeah, Chris Paul, I'll let you work out the details, being that I came up with the idea..

 

[Smills91]

First, you can't put contracts aside when you are rebuilding (or any other time). They are hugely important, and overpaying for one spot/mediocre talent can dramatically alter your ability to fill others.

Secondly, Heinrich might be able to be a roleplayer on a championship team...if he were surrounded by superstars. If the Lakers wanted to bring him in next year that would be a decent potential move. But if he's not surrounded by superstars, he has barely been able to hold down a starting job on a team that has bounced in and out of the playoff fringe as first round fodder. If he's 22 and cheap you could consider taking him and sitting on him for years waiting for your moment. But he's not special enough to be worth that trreatment. And at 28 with a big contract he's definitely not worth that treatment.

Sure you can, IF there is an equally bad or worse contract EXITING to bring Hinrich in. So like I said, IF the Deal is Beno for Hinrich, SIGN ME UP. If not, not interested.

 

[RIP miyagi]

no way, hinrich is horrible. i would rather trade our first pick for the rights to Popeye Jones.

 

[Heuge]

no way, hinrich is horrible. i would rather trade our first pick for the rights to Popeye Jones.

If by horrible, you mean good defender, excellent ball handler and a decent shooter. I agree.

 

[rainmaker]

no way, hinrich is horrible. i would rather trade our first pick for the rights to Popeye Jones.

Thats a pretty stupid thing to say.

Its fine if you don't want the guy, but statements like that make it sound like you haven't ever watched a basketball game.

 

[TTown Kings]

First, you can't put contracts aside when you are rebuilding (or any other time). They are hugely important, and overpaying for one spot/mediocre talent can dramatically alter your ability to fill others.

You mean kind of like us pursuing Hedo this offseason?

 

[Packt]

First, you can't put contracts aside when you are rebuilding (or any other time). They are hugely important, and overpaying for one spot/mediocre talent can dramatically alter your ability to fill others.

Secondly, Heinrich might be able to be a roleplayer on a championship team...if he were surrounded by superstars. If the Lakers wanted to bring him in next year that would be a decent potential move. But if he's not surrounded by superstars, he has barely been able to hold down a starting job on a team that has bounced in and out of the playoff fringe as first round fodder. If he's 22 and cheap you could consider taking him and sitting on him for years waiting for your moment. But he's not special enough to be worth that trreatment. And at 28 with a big contract he's definitely not worth that treatment.

He's been a 6ast PG from day one. Has been in the playoffs 4 out of the 6 yrs he's been in the league. Has been a starter for the majority of those years except this past year. And those playoff years, those were all young teams.

If people are expecting a superstud, still with untapped potential, he isn't it. He is however a consistent, versatile all around player.

His contract size is being exaggerated a bit. He has 3yrs left, that's perfect for a young team that wants to start their climb. That still gives you opportunity to find a younger PG if need be. He's also shown ability to come off the bench and to play off guard if that was to happen.