HOU pursuing trade for Koufos

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According to Mark Stein since Houston's center went down with an injury they have begun talks with Sacramento about Koufos. I'm too lazy to put a link down but it's all over ESPN

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 5h5 hours ago
Trade rumble: Houston has made no secret of its desire to add a big man and the Kings' Kosta Koufos, I'm told, has emerged as a prime target

Boy this would be great! Maybe this is the only way to get Coach Dave to stop playing him with cousins. However it's not his fault that Dave has used him incorrectly. Koufos always tries hard almost never complains and if only he could come off the bench he would be a great backup center

Oh well hopefully we trade him because Dave can't figure it out on his own
 
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sactownfan said:
According to Mark Stein since Houston's center went down with an injury they have begun talks with Sacramento about Koufos. I'm too lazy to put a link down but it's all over ESPN

Boy this would be great! Maybe this is the only way to get Coach Dave to stop playing him with cousins. However it's not his fault that Dave has used him incorrectly. Koufos always tries hard almost never complains and if only he could come off the bench he would be a great backup center

Oh well hopefully we trade him because Dave can't figure it out on his own
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Obviously we would need to acquire another big ourselves... it would be tough to make this move if we didn't have a back up plan for getting another big or stretch 4
 
We use KK in part of lacking reliability from everyone else.

Ideally he plays behind Cousins, but I don't think of it as Joerger is in love with him or anything, but more so that we don't have much else without their own issues.

We should look for a 3 way deal, send out a wing, look to grab Tony Allen and just passable cheap big somehow for reserve center minutes.
 
That's a tough one. I really like Kofous, I just think he isn't being used correctly like many here.

Do we really need Tony Allen though? I feel like with Temple, we have solid defense at that position, we just don't have enough offense. We really need a guard who can create.
 
Nene and ariza would add some solid experience.
Nene would provide buffer for WCS' inconsistent play.
Rockets are the kind of team that could take a flyer on Ben and get something out of him.

I doubt they give up Beverly, but he would be a nice upgrade on Collision.
 
Hard to find a matching salary on Houston's roster. They're winning right now so they're not going to give up important players like Ariza and Beverly. They'd probably trade Corey Brewer but that doesn't help us. I'd ask for Gary Payton II in any deal with them and try to find a third team to absorb salary or get us an expiring contact.
 
I don't like the trade for Tony Allen. As it already stands, our team lacks 3pt shooting. He'll make it significantly worse.

I also have no interests in Corey Brewer either... Houston needs to step up their offer.
 
hrdboild said:
Hard to find a matching salary on Houston's roster. They're winning right now so they're not going to give up important players like Ariza and Beverly. They'd probably trade Corey Brewer but that doesn't help us. I'd ask for Gary Payton II in any deal with them and try to find a third team to absorb salary or get us an expiring contact.
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Yeah they are going to offer Brewer and maybe a cheap perk but not much else.

It's kind of hard to grab something useful for KK that seems realistic.
 
hrdboild said:
Hard to find a matching salary on Houston's roster. They're winning right now so they're not going to give up important players like Ariza and Beverly. They'd probably trade Corey Brewer but that doesn't help us. I'd ask for Gary Payton II in any deal with them and try to find a third team to absorb salary or get us an expiring contact.
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Why Gary Payton ii?
 
I'm also concerned slightly why this made it to the media along with the Gay rumors? Are we putting it out there for a reason?
 
Kingsfan23 said:
Why Gary Payton ii?
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I know everyone here loves Patrick Beverly but he's too important to that team for them to trade him. Payton Jr resembles a younger Beverly though in some ways. He's a tenacious defender, very good athlete, and he has great size for a PG. He really needs to work on his shot before he can expect to get minutes in the NBA but I like him as a developmental project at PG where we currently have no long-term options.

I wouldn't miss Koufos all that much so I'd be okay with cap space in return if we pick up a young player or two that we can build with. My goal isn't winning this season though, its establishing a core group around DeMarcus that can challenge for a championship over a 5-6 year period. So a budding young defensive stud who might be 2 years away is a decent consolation prize and we can use the cap space this summer. It's a minor move but in combination with trading Gay, Collison, Casspi, and McLemore for younger players on team friendly deals I think we can help set ourselves up for a brighter future.
 
All nteresting thoughts. I'm not a "trade-maker " person, no GM in me. But Koufos is one of our better team players so I'm not in favor in losing him unless there is a great advantage to us. Keep KK unless you can move up two places in the west.
 
Rebounds per 36 min

Cuz 10.8
KK 10.6
Casspi 7.6
Rudy 6.8
WCS 6.8
Barnes 6.7
Tolliver 6.3

KK is an important non-redundant piece of the team puzzle. Strong backup borderline emergency starter on the solid playoff team.
He is the only player beside Cuz that can fight under the hoop.

The deal has to be very good for us to trade him and another trade/acquisition has to follow.
 
KK is not perfect but he has been largely miss used by Karl and Joerger. Karl by playing at a stupidly high pace and Joerger by using(some would say by necessity) as a starter with Cousins. He should be a 20 min. a night backup C. He is a very good anchor to a defense, rebounds well and protects the rim.
 
Koufos half hook in the paint seems nearly automatic. I mean, I actually even get irritated with him when he misses it. While I get that he's no star player, it seems like that is a shot that could be taken better advantage of. Kosta should be scoring at least 10 ppg with a consistent shot like that.

Not sure I like the idea of trading him. If it is for clearly a better fit or piece, then ok. But if it's just for the sake of making a change, I don't like it. As others have said, I doubt the Rockets part with Beverly so, to me, any trade with the Rockets would fall into the latter category so I wouldn't be in favor of it.
 
Until and unless this team finds another rebounder, Koufos is actually an important piece for us. Cuz has not been up to his normal standards on the glass, and nobody else has any cahones at all there. We're already at the bottom of the league, take away KK and we become a complete joke on the glass.
 
I don't even know what to make of rumors like this, especially with no particularly good salary match on Houston's roster that they would be likely to give up. Corey Brewer has been pretty much awful lately so he's not very enticing. Houston does have all of their first-round picks available (and two extra seconds this year from Denver and Portland) but I'm not sure that moves the needle much if we'd be forced to take Brewer back.

If this rumor stays "hot" I'll be interested to see what the media thinks we might get back.
 
With the rebounding issue it's kind of like the chicken or the egg. In order to get the rebound you first must get the stop and by far Tolliver at PF makes this team more effective defensively with teams that look to shoot 3's. Which is most of them these days. If only Joerger used Kosta as a full time backup to Cuz, then he could be invaluable.
 
With WCS being a colossal disappointment, not sure how enthused I am about giving up the only other big man on the roster....I guess it depends on what they get back.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
Gary Payton II was waived. He's an affiliate player with their D-League team, but they can't trade him in an NBA deal.
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His salary still shows up on their roster, I guess cause it was guaranteed. I didn't put much thought into it, I just scanned their roster for players I might be interested in. The 15 man roster limit makes it hard to stash and develop young players right now without letting other teams nab them if they show promise in the D-League. I know the Clippers have been trying to get Rudy Gay and they drafted a big guy named Diamond Stone who I think is pretty talented. We could try to work out some kind of trade with Rudy and Kosta involved but then that's a lot of salary going out to two teams without cap space and I wouldn't want to be taking salary back. If the Rockets want Kosta badly enough, they'll have to figure something out. But it's nice to read a story about a team that actually wants one of our players for a change. Kosta is a decent player, I just don't see him moving the needle much either way.
 
Bricklayer said:
Until and unless this team finds another rebounder, Koufos is actually an important piece for us. Cuz has not been up to his normal standards on the glass, and nobody else has any cahones at all there. We're already at the bottom of the league, take away KK and we become a complete joke on the glass.
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Thats true. If we also plan on trading Rudy for Cam Payne or another young player we'd lose a lot of productivity whether it is rebounding or scoring. However cashing in on them before they walk could be the right thing to do as their value is not going to get higher.
The problem is I do think we are trying to make the playoffs so the productivity has to come back in some way. A guy that we could target is Enes Kanter. His value isnt too high but he provides scoring and rebounding and would then fulfil a need. At realgm I suggested:

Sac out: Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, Kosta Koufos
Sac in: Cam Payne, Enes Kanter, KJ McDaniels, 2nd from Portland

OKC out*: Cam Payne, Enes Kanter
OKC in: Rudy Gay, Darren Collison, Nene

Rockets out: KJ McDaniels, Nene, 2nd from Portland
Rockets in: Kosta Koufos

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jcqxh8l

Why for Sac? They cash in on Gay to finally get Cam Payne who they liked since he came out of college. They cash in on Koufos for McDaniels and a 2nd rounder. Finally they replace Gays scoring and Koufos rebounding with Kanter.

Why for OKC:
They adress their biggest needs: Wing scoring with Gay and backup PG play with Collison. They also get the bird rights of these players what makes keeping them easier. They also get out of Kanters contract and replace his production with Nene and Collison

Why for Rockets:
They add a solid big that can start or come of the bench when Capela returns, without giving up much as they keep Harrel over Nene.

*OKC has to clear an additional roster spot before this could happen

Now, is that fair value? I don't know. But it could make some sense.
 
Bricklayer said:
Until and unless this team finds another rebounder, Koufos is actually an important piece for us. Cuz has not been up to his normal standards on the glass, and nobody else has any cahones at all there. We're already at the bottom of the league, take away KK and we become a complete joke on the glass.
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Not really.

Cousins defensive rebounding rate is 27.4% compared to 27.7% over his career, and 28.2% last year. It is his offensive rebounding rate that has slipped (from 11% a couple years ago to 7%) because he's playing on the perimeter and making more of priority to get back on D. His TS% is also up so he's not rebounding his own misses.

As far as getting rid of Oven Mitts Koufos, the guy could NOT catch the ball the first month of the season, AND most of last year, so "sell high" if something appealing presents itself. You're right rebounding and interior defense will be exposed if we are left with Boogie, Tolliver, Willie, and pretenders to man the inside (Barnes, Omri) but Koufos is hardly untouchable.

This team needs a shake-up. There are two veterans going nowhere and three rookies going nowhere due to insignificant trade value and nominal size of their contracts:

  • Boogie
  • Temple
  • Malachi
  • Skal
  • Papa
Everyone else on this roster can be had.....at least this should be the approach.
 
Realistically, I don't see anything of value that Houston would be willing to give in return for Koufos. Maybe Sam Dekker?
 
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